Any solution to Iraq?

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  1. ital8

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    It seems nowadays Iraq is going to hell in a handbasket. I guess it's been like that for a while, but it seems to be getting progressively worse. It also appears that our politicians don't have much of a solution either, both on the Democratic and Republican side. So what is the answer? A pullout?
     
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    First, make Colonel McMaster (FRONTLINE: the insurgency: interviews: col. h. r. mcmaster | PBS) a general and tell him he is the new Douglas McArthur for Iraq. He can't and won't leave until the job is done. No American civilian leadership. Only an embassy to monitor McMaster's behavior.

    Do not rotate out officers of Captains' rank and up out.

    Next....

    Explain to Iraq that because of performance to date they are again in a junior partner position as far as governance goes.

    Next....
     
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    Put tens of thousands of troops on both the Iranian and the Syrian border in order to secure them. No Iranian in or out period. Even for pilgrimages.

    Assign Special Forces to Turkish, Kuwaiti and Saudi Units and make these 'allies ' close down the borders to more foreign insurgents.

    Something that was never even really attempted.
     
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    They apperantly have finally decided to take the ground troops more native. We need as many officers and troops to go Lawrence of Arabia ASAP.
     
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    retreat
    (military) withdrawal of troops to a more favorable position to escape the enemy's superior forces or after a defeat; "the disorderly retreat of French troops" ~~~~ wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn -

    pullout
    n : to break off a military action with an enemy [syn: disengagement,
    fallback]

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    :soapbox: My ex-boyfriend was taught by his father that the best way to deal with a problem was to throw money at it until it goes away. I thought that was stupid then, and I think its stupid now. Spending more money and sending more troops is not the answer. A chimpanzee could see that. Then again chimpanzees are capable of learning sign language; and our President can't even speak acceptable English. :unitedstates:




     
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    Close down most dissenting papers, radio, and television stations. Limit it to one of each kind (if not 0) for area coverage. Get our propaganda machine to diseminate truthful information. NO LIES.

    We need to take as many of the clan leaders on 7-10 day highly orchestrated yet truthful learning excursions to Saudi Arabia, Europe, and the United States itself. When we take them back home have them nominate a 'lieutenant' of theirs to undergo the same kind of indoctrination for the lack of a better word.
     
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    Use bio-identification to disseminate an oil dividend directly to women and children. Pro-rate the payout when the oil flow is disrupted. Advise them that this dividend income is for a limited time (say 7-10 years).
     
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    Have McMaster by fiat remove misogynistic clauses from the Iraqi constitution.

    Require that each political district send both a man AND a woman to govern in the Iraqi representative body (as a clause or idea that is to last for 7-10 yrs - half a generation).
     
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    Re-organize police so that each unit is 50-50 Sunni and Shia. Down to the partners on patrol level.
     
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    If this fails re-deploy to the perimeter of the country and maintain border integrity. Offer only air support, special forces support, and military supplies to the Iraqi entity most likely to survive a civil war.

    Leave (aka retreat - in abject defeat and shame) if this does not work.
     
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    Have heavily enforced curfews.

    Make drivers take car doors and trunk hoods off for driving in the cities.

    Possibly no driving on the weekends.

    Possibly halt all driving for two days after a car bomb goes off as a form of collective punishment. Pay reasonable rewards for really valuable information that stops a car bomb.
     
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    Spiker, the United States doesn't need another armchair General. In the old days of war they led from the front.

    Do you not agree that Iran has more of a stake in the Iraq situation than United States? They are neighbours. Do you not think that they might actually want stability in Iraq? The Iranians are actually happy that Saddam is gone. Believe it or not, the Iranians would like to see a stable government in Iraq too.
     
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    Dead or alive Muqtada Al'Sadr and all his henchmen. Preferably alive and in well advertised luxuriant exile until the country is stabilized.
     
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    Why belittle my ideas because I didn't choose a military career?

    It is highly likely that Iran wants a 'Shia' stability in Iraq don't you think?

    Read the Prince or Sun-Tzu (can't think of the other appropriate book at this time) they are very revealing when it comes to how states deal with each other, whether you approve or not of that reality.
     
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    The Democrats should commission the GAO to investigate all spending in Iraq and prosecute all the Haliburton exec's who defrauded Uncle Sam. Watch Bush DD out of Iraq so fast that DD's head spins off like a threaded screw on top and drops at her feet.
     
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    spike,
    I agree with some of the suggestions you made in this thread, but this one is exactly what we were doing wrong since the fall of Saddam. What we did was take the State Department out of the equation completely and make the rebuilding of Iraq a purely military project. It didnt work then, and it won't work now.

    I think Iraq needs to be allowed to go back to its natural state of having three quasi-independent regions of Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds. This is what will happen anyway, whether we are part of it or not. The three regions should be a loose federation with a central government whose job it is to defend the borders of the country and control the natural resources in an equitable manner.

    Don't forget that Iraq is an artificial country put together arbitrarily by the British when the region was a British protectorate. Just like the Balkans, they have a relentless desire to "Balkanize" back to their independent regions.
     
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    Well L. Paul Bremmer was a Civilian, State Dept. Like administrator who screwed it all up. He didn't get along with Gnls Garcia/Abizaid. A general did it in Japan but in a nationally isolated manner. Also, the Japanese rebuilt their own country under American direction.

    Sure, after we give it a real shot. Not this half assed laurel thing we have hanging on our brow now.

    If it splits in three we definitely won't see anything equitably distributed and definitely no real peace. There would be skimishes until Iran moved in and finished the job as they saw fit. Much like Syria in Lebannon.

    Balkanization is an option but just maybe not in this case if we were to be lucky.
     
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    Have you seen the documentary "Why do we fight?"...it's an eye opener.

    As for your question, in my opinion...Bush is guilty of treason and should be held accountable for his actions. He lied to America several times. When we do pull out of Iraq, it has to be systematically and slowly, or else we will be in worse shape than we are now. But, we do need to leave that country. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening soon. North Korea and Iran scare me even more.
     
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    More doctors and engineers, less artillery -- leave troops sufficient to defend the doctors and engineers as they help rebuild. Beg, plead -- offer him his own state, if you have to -- but get Jimmy Carter out there negotiating with Iraq's neighbors. This is the guy who got Sadat and Begin talking again, and he's more respected by the leaders of Iraq's islamic neighbors than any American statesman out there.
     
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    Paul Bremer was given endless constraints on who he could hire. The basic ground rule was that he was not allowed to hire anyone from the State Dept, although he found a way around that a few times. Secondly, his budget and staff size was so restricted that he had no ability to affect a transition from wartime to peacetime rebuilding. He tried in vain to get anyone's attention on this and was totally ignored by the administration.

    Basically, the idea of rebuilding Iraq was never really fleshed out and acted upon. In the ensuing time, the situation has come to be totally out of control.

    I agree that a divided Iraq will open the door for Iranian influence, but we have that already. In the meantime, we are woefully stretched militarily, and our seeming impotence has been an invitation for all the belligerent nations to go right for us when we are vulnerable. At the moment we aer defending three Iraqui sects from each other, when we should be fighting terrorism where it actually lives, which is in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    What we have here is the need for the lesser of evils in choosing an exit strategy. They all suck except for all the others.
     
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