Anyone been involved in DPing a woman?

[BobLeeSwagger]

I DP'd a girl last year with another dude - we had all met at a frat party. It was tricky to get it coordinated but we did one in the ass and one in the pussy, then two in the pussy. Tough for her to take but she loved it. No complaints here either.

Always wash up thoroughly between anal and vaginal sex. The bacteria in the rectum is not meant to be in the vagina, and infections can result.

 

[10orgasms]

We are in the lifestyle and have done several Vaginal dp's. The women have always loved doing this.

 

[B_josiah852]

Have done both DP and DVP with two different married couples back quite awhile ago. The penis in the ass and one in the vagina worked best when only one male did most of the moving in and out. The double in the vagina was even a little more difficult to do but both us males really got turned on feeling each other inside the pussy at the same time. It was more difficult for the women to take two cocks in their pussies at the same time but if you take your time and move fairly easily it is fun for all.

 

[lightninggirl]

i've had a lot of involvement with non-anal DP'ing in my past. my issue is that anal is really not a possibility for me, even with a tiny partner. my 9" husband will never know what anal feels like unless we divorce, poor guy.

my biggest fantasy is DVP. i think about it when i masturbate constantly. when i was separated, i came close three separate times, but i never was able to realise my dream.

i've done a lot of DOP (Double Oral Penetration; i think i'm making up my own acronyms!) and also vaginal-oral penetration. like honey, vaginal sex is amazing when i've got a cock in my mouth. the oral receiver is always in for a great treat as i orgasm 50+ times per sex session easily, and get quite enthusiastic giving oral as i'm orgasming! knowing that i'm the 'conductor' for such sexual energy as on all fours between the guys is SOOOOOOOO exciting!

for DP (vag/anal), from why my gfs tell me is to have a few glasses of wine and start with the vaginal first, then ease into the anal.

 

[nathangsm]

The double in the vagina was even a little more difficult to do but both us males really got turned on feeling each other inside the pussy at the same time.

I find this topic strangely fascinating, considering that a non-clinical discussion female genitalia it typically quite off-putting to me, but I came upon the reference to DPing and DVP at some point, did a little exploring, and found that, at least in pornography, it is fairly common, but that generally the context seems to vaguely misogynistic (themes such as humiliation, submission, rape, or at the mildest, still involving a derogatory attitude towards the woman involved), and completely heterosexual, which I find baffling, particularly in the case of DVP (looks like an enhanced form of homosexual frottage, to me).

The one straight friend that I have broached the topic with, specified that, in the case of DP, it had to be with a really close buddy, and that male/male contact was strictly prohibited. He didn't seem to be able to explain how that was possible with DVP, and as he wasn't comfortable with the topic, I didn't want to press.

So, what's the motivation for "straight" men? A way to have a sexual encounter with another man with an ostentatious display of heterosexuality? Or is it just that amazing, that it transcends sexual orientation? I could understand that, because, despite my anti-inclination towards any sexual encounter involving a woman, I think that something like DVP might be a compelling enough experience to consent to the presence of the woman. She'd have to be really cool, though...

Hmm. Anyway, comments by straight (or straight-ish) men, on the involvement of the other man? And I wouldn't be offended if those comments include being grossed-out by sexual contact with a guy, 'cause I'm generally revolted by the concept of sexual contact with a women (No offense, lady's, it's just the way I'm wired).

 

[B_josiah852]

I really think that any man who has dp or dvp'd a woman with another man can still be considered str8. I would think that only bi males can or could get into this. To much male to male (legs to legs, arms to arms, cock to cock and balls to balls, cum to cum) contact for a man that considers himself str8. Has to be as much a turn on for the man to man contact part as it is man to woman for either man to enjoy this.

 

[Sergeant_Torpedo]

Nathan

Good critique. But why the need to defend your sexuality and in the same thread challenge the sexuality of str8 men?

I respect your opinion but it's hard to articulate about sexuality when it is put in a political context (gay politics) which generally abrogates str8 men's empathy or acceptance of so called gay sex. Sticking labels on things like a taxonomist doesn't help.

I have engaged in DP and DVP but it never crossed my mind that this could be homosexual behaviour. And because it is in commercial pornography doesn't mean anything. I am sure the ancient Romans were up to it. And the 19th century Briish nacy had an explicit term for it: Hamocking!

ST

 

[nathangsm]

But why the need to defend your sexuality and in the same thread challenge the sexuality of str8 men?

Hmm. I guess it could look like that. But I've been out for so long, and suffered enough of the very real penalties for this, that the need to "defend" my sexuality is not even part of my dialogue. So, when I make statements that may appear to be part of such a "defense", it is simply to put into context the incongruity (in my mind) of my finding DVP to be a potentially appealing sexual act. As for challenging the sexuality of heterosexual men, it's not so much that, as being curious as to how straight men view a sexual encounter involving another man, in relation to their own orientation (which is more then simply a measurement of arousal response to gender specific content, or a Kinsey-esque analysis of actual behavior, or a society's stereotypical labels).

I am sure the ancient Romans were up to it.

But the ancient Romans (and the Greeks before them, as well as most of the cultures of the day) didn't have concepts such as "sexual orientation." Sex acts, nearly without exception, took place between a dominant person (always a male) penetrating the submissive person (usually a female, or a non-adult male). This is a simplification, of course, but the ancients just didn't have a social structure that acknowledged relations between equals, regardless of gender.

I'm not saying that I've got a handle on these issues (otherwise I wouldn't be asking questions). My primary objective in engaging this topic is to further my understanding of myself and others, and to release myself of limiting preconceptions about sexuality (my owen and others), as I believe false assumptions to be barriers to human relationships.

It's an interesting topic, to say the least, and I think the answers to my questions are as varied as the perspectives from which they are given.

 

[WildHoney]

Errr ok guys, my hubby is VERY straight ....and also VERY non homophobic. He is completely comfortable with his sexuality - so by a previous posters definition - if he has me in a DP situation and his leg is touching another guys leg and he is not freaking out he is bi?

Sometimes doing DP or DVP is just all about the womans pleasure, she is getting off, your all getting off, its just hot sex ....being comfortable around men yet not wanting to be sexual with them is normal in our circles.

,When cpls get together for foursomes etc....there is usually 2 straight guys. The enviroment is very accepting of bi,gay etc so we usually get a pretty clear picture of what floats you boat early on.

You can have DVP or DP with fairly limited contact but who'd want to? It is about being uninhibited and just going with the flow. I can tell you now, my hubby has had a "chat" or moved away if a guy got overly touchy etc, and am sure he would take a more aggressive approach if he was more full on .....much to my annoyance :biggrin1: I'd love him to be bi!! -

We are just a straight couple....it kinda drives me nut a little ( especially in the scene we are in, lots of bi guys and MANY bi women ) - when people assume everyone is bi....we have both opened ourselves up to bi experiences and they were defiantely not our thing at all.....Sexuality is just what you get...We give gay guys and girls the respect that they are ....we hope to get that back as a straight cpl too.


Nathan - I asked my hubby how he felt when doing DVP or DP and he felt the other guys cock etc...this was his response
" its not anything to do with the other guy, its all about sex and fucking and driving a woman crazy, I try not to focus on the cock when DVP as the friction etc is awesome but the sematics of it actually being a guys cock on me would deflate me somewhat. But I am not bi so I have no interest in the other guy or what he is doing its all about the woman and her pleasure"

:smile:

Honey

 

[JMeister]

If male bodies touching during a DP is a bisexual act does that mean that wrestlers, rugby and football players are bisexual by virtue of the fact that there is a lot of male to male contact with these sports?

What about someone who gives or receives a therapeutic massage from a member of the same sex. Is that a bisexual act?

 

[Sergeant_Torpedo]

The dominant/submissive role in ancient cultures was I suspect ubiquitous. The alpha males generally being assertive in politics as well as sex. So while much sexual activity went on in ancient Rome, there were draconian legal sanctions against homosexuality; which means a lot of it was going on otherise the law makers would have paid no heed to it. Interestingly the rape of women in Roman civil society was only a matter of civil law.

Some women could make a feminist argument that dp and dvp, or whatever you choose to call it, is a humiliation of women. I think two str8 men having dp with a woman would think of it more as male bonding than as a flirtation with bisexuality. Or jut as hot crazy sex. I have to say I find it thrilling in that context.

We all approach sex in different ways. I would guess gay guys are more constrained in their daily lives. Without muddying the water I ask myself would I dp a woman with a guy that was openly bi, to be honest got to say it would not bother me. Like the character in Moby Dick who refuses to share a bed with a shipmate: one of the characters tells him, "Better to share a bed with a heathen than a drunken Christian".

The topic and its ramifications is interesting. I can see why nathan has issues with the dp thing.

 

[Sergeant_Torpedo]

The dominant/submissive role in ancient cultures was I suspect ubiquitous. The alpha males generally being assertive in politics as well as sex. So while much sexual activity went on in ancient Rome, there were draconian legal sanctions against homosexuality; which means a lot of it was going on otherise the law makers would have paid no heed to it. Interestingly the rape of women in Roman civil society was only a matter of civil law.

Some women could make a feminist argument that dp and dvp, or whatever you choose to call it, is a humiliation of women. I think two str8 men having dp with a woman would think of it more as male bonding than as a flirtation with bisexuality. Or jut as hot crazy sex. I have to say I find it thrilling in that context.

We all approach sex in different ways. I would guess gay guys are more constrained in their daily lives. Without muddying the water I ask myself would I dp a woman with a guy that was openly bi, to be honest got to say it would not bother me. Like the character in Moby Dick who refuses to share a bed with a shipmate: one of the characters tells him, "Better to share a bed with a heathen than a drunken Christian".

The topic and its ramifications is interesting. I can see why nathan has issues with the dp thing.

 

[nathangsm]

But I am not bi so I have no interest in the other guy or what he is doing its all about the woman and her pleasure"

Thanks, Honey. If I understood the whole explanation correctly, that for your husband, the contact with another man during a sexual act is irrelevant, as long as it doesn't subvert his context for the experience (it being focused on the woman). Would it matter to your husband if the other man's perception was focused more on the male/male portion of the act, if this didn't intrude on his experience?

I'm not trying to press the issue to be obnoxious, and obviously your husband's opinions/feelings cannot be assumed to represent the majority (although it might), I'm just trying to get a better handle on the factors involved, in part because of objective curiosity, but also because of a subjective interest (if I have a broader understanding of the situation, I may be able to act out of an increased sensitivity to other people involved in a particular experience).

What about someone who gives or receives a therapeutic massage from a member of the same sex. Is that a bisexual act?

Heh, did you know that I'm a bodyworker when you asked this question? Anyway, in my opinion, the genders and sexual orientations of both the therapist and the client are irrelevant, as a professional treatment is not a sexual exchange. To elaborate, here is a quotation from an email to a client's concern that a massage might involve an energetic exchange that, while beneficial to him, would be draining experience for me.

In regards to the bodywork, I think that, rather then using the word "exchange", you might say "Interaction of Energy". It is important for the therapist to be PRESENT to, rather then a PARTICIPANT in the client's experience, even if that experience is precipitated by the practitioner. I'd be obfuscating the issue if I said that a client's experience has no impact on a therapist, as to be so far removed from what is taking place under one's hands would impair the practitioner's ability to react to what IS happening. While there is a lot that could be said on this subject, and many different opinions about a therapist's relationship to a client's therapeutic experience, it is generally considered to be chiefly the practitioner's responsibility to create and maintain the boundaries necessary to maintain an environment that is beneficial for the client.

Sometimes I've had clients who seemed to be unsure how they SHOULD feel during a treatment, and I generally advise people to just observe what they DO feel, and to refrain from experiencing any form of judgement towards themselves, or attempting to influence what they experience one way or the other. Sorry if that sounds really ephemeral... Y'no, what else would you expect from a holistic healthcare worker?

Sorry if that was over-long...

Anyway, I've had many client, both male and female, heterosexual and homosexual both, and I suppose that if the client were viewing the treatment as a sexual experience, then my gender/orientation might have an impact on them, but I don't think that it is common. I'm a healthcare provider, and our relationship is therapeutic, not personal. Just lie, when I get my teeth cleaned at the the dentist's office, it doesn't matter if the oral hygienist is a woman, and having a woman's hands in my mouth doesn't make me bisexual, because it's not a sexual experience, unless I choose to interpret it that way.

Ack, this discussion is becoming quite tedious. Not sexy at all. I suppose I should have expected this result as an outcome of my initial questions...

 

[nathangsm]

Some women could make a feminist argument that dp and dvp, or whatever you choose to call it, is a humiliation of women. I think two str8 men having dp with a woman would think of it more as male bonding than as a flirtation with bisexuality. Or jut as hot crazy sex. I have to say I find it thrilling in that context.

Seeing the act as portrayed in pornography, it generally appeared to be on the humiliation and of the scale. Reading about it in various forums and such, I have mostly read accounts/discussions that tended more towards the "hot crazy sex" aspect (which would be where a portion of my fascination comes in).

I would guess gay guys are more constrained in their daily lives.

You're right on that account. Making any kind of homo-related comment around straight men has quite often received very poorly (but not universally), whereas most straight men seem to have absolutely no conception of how their own hetro-related comments might be might be equally unwelcome by gay men (but we're more used to it). It's has been an arduous path of self-cultivation on my part, in recent years, to learn to act more naturally, and without fear of retaliation by others, because in contrast to my previous statement, I have found, at this time and place in my life, that the straight men I am acquainted with are far more at ease with these topics then I would have expected them to be...

 

[WildHoney]

Nathan - My superficial hubby answered your question like this " as long as he was good looking, it would be kinda flattering I guess " lol ( he has always attracted alot of attention from both sexes - think show pony) .....

So He is ok with us playing with Bi men, as long as there is no pressure for him to have any bi contact, and as long as the bi guy involved knows that.



Having said that, I have found as a woman doing DP or even MMF theesomes without DP just head and sex to be better if both men are hetro. I prefer having sexual experiences with men that are totally into me .

In the situation of a MFF threesome I am fine with female attention , as long as I am not required to be bi with them. Doesn't bother me if she is lusting after me ...... we are attention whores :biggrin1:


Everyone has heard the saying , your only three drinks away from a bi experience , we have both been pretty plastered in group sex sessions and still gone ewww at a pussy ( for me) or a cock (for him) ....so i guess we are a horse traquiliser away from a bi experience :tongue:

As for the question of degradation in porn, if you look at most hetro porn (ones which are not produced by women) , it is pretty degrading to women ( mostly) ....for me porn is merely scenes for wanking over, I don't think it ever really reflects real life sex, I, for one, remove my shoes :biggrin1:

In real life DVP or DP is a hot steamy sex session of complete trust and pleasure. Women don't offer you their bodies totally like that very often ....




Honey

(p.s Nathan , any quesions etc are fine by me, takes alot for me to take offence and I totally understand your confusion having never been there done that :wink: )

 

[ruffboy]

wild honey, can we clone you?? ;-)

 

[TitanicJake]

I grew up doing DPs in high school and even college. My wrestling teammates and I would share willing girls. I learned that a woman filled with cock in three holes is a beautiful site. We would find our rythem and go for it. We never used condoms (stupid) but we did use lots of lube (smart). I have been involved with double penetrations, double pussy penetrations, and double anal penetrations. The last not a ton of fun for the woman.
My one friend would get mad if I shot a load up her pussy while he was up there too. I had to learn politeness with group sex and I did. It was wierd doing DP with all our legs tangled up. Sometimes I didnt really know who was grabbing my balls. It was good though. I got lost in the moments and watching her take all of us in was pure bliss. Three people finding their rythem is a cool thing.
One drunk night we manadged to do a three way penetration. I layed on my back and two guys mounted her from behind. I was up her pussy while they shared her asshole. It was more difficult as her pussy was clentched so tight on me it was kicking me out. It was one guy to many.
When I first did a double penetration it just seemed natural. I didnt realize being up her ass I would feel my best friend's cock through the thin walls of her body. That took getting used to.
DPs and group sex are addictive for me.
Jake

 

[TitanicJake]

Having big egos and being full of testosterone with a side of aggression I never stopped to think of the humiliation aspect for women. They always had orgasms and we never forced a girl. Anyone whoever regretted it never had to do it again. Some guys didn;t like the feeling or were to afraid of getting another dude's spunk on them or were "homophobic" and were afraid of what rubbing 2 cocks together would make them.
DPs are hardcore and animalistic. They are for aggressive sexual people who are not afraid of an audience, body contact, or a little pain with their pleasure. I guess that is why most of my wrestling team participated.
Jake

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Some of the MMF DP porns I have seen start out with the guys doing the woman and end with the guys doing each other with the woman on top or giving head.

 

[dickman45885]

I have alwasy been the "passive" guy in DVP's adn DP's, that is on the bottom. I really do not care aabout the other dude....it is the Females pleasure I am concerned with. So what if another dudes cock is next to mine, and am sure he does not care either. The DVP's I have been involved with are another dude and his wife. Her pleasure is #! for both of us...and if he cums on me...well frankly isn't sex and fucking all about cumming and everyone involved cumming.

My very first DVP...I had fucked her. We were all on our sides, she was between he and I and he was fucking her from behind. I was playing with her titties and reached down to her pussy and played with her. Her top leg was up and she took hold of my cock and put it in her pussy along with his cock. It was probably the hottest fuck I had ever done. She knew what she wanted and was not afraid to go for it.

There were other times when we got together and he took hold of my cock and put it in her. Did I mind it, did it bother me...not really.

There have been other couples I have been involved with and having a guy touch or take hold of my cock....not really a problem.