Anyone Planning For Totalitarian America?

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Glad you have stayed, kept your posts civil and not run off like so many conservatives have previously on this site.

I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you.

I'm also glad to hear a person with a conservative point of view de-bunk the paranoiac myth that American politicians would consider repealing the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

Oh, I never said they wouldn't *consider* it, but actually doing it is quite another thing.

Could you explain what the current President has done to make you think he is a "dangerously unstable individual, a petulant child who *does* have a sufficiently delusional world view".?

Well, admittedly that was a bit of hyperbole, but many of the phrases ring true with many conservatives. I found an article written about the President, which justifies this position...spent some extra time to find one from a journal that would not be immediately dismissed as "conservative propaganda," though I suspect that will be the cry from those who disagree.

Obama’s Petulant, Passive Aggressive Leadership Reveals a Fixed Adolescent Mindset

What you view as cool and judicious, many of us view as cold and calculating. Unstable doesn't have to mean unhinged.
 

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I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you.



Oh, I never said they wouldn't *consider* it, but actually doing it is quite another thing.



Well, admittedly that was a bit of hyperbole, but many of the phrases ring true with many conservatives. I found an article written about the President, which justifies this position...spent some extra time to find one from a journal that would not be immediately dismissed as "conservative propaganda," though I suspect that will be the cry from those who disagree.

Obama’s Petulant, Passive Aggressive Leadership Reveals a Fixed Adolescent Mindset

What you view as cool and judicious, many of us view as cold and calculating. Unstable doesn't have to mean unhinged.
Actually, I wrote cold and calculating and changed it to cool and calculating. But maybe it works better. I want someone cold and calculating in that job. The wrong kind of emotional response in high stress situations is the last thing you want.

I checked your article and while he explained what passive aggression and adolescent mindsets are, he stretched and shape shifted the observable behaviors of Barack Obama to fit his premise. It's a one-sided article written from a certain point of view with a predetermined conclusion. Like most political commentary is.

To get a better idea of conservative thought I prefer to read people like Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, or George Will. I don't often agree with them, but they are at least literate and don't make shit up (much). The Weekly Standard, the National Review are both good sources of non-hair-on-fire conservative journalism. The Canada Free Press... sorry... too many stories about the Muslim in the White House.
 

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Are any of you planning for the huge American economic depression and totalitarian regime?

I feel like I need a "go bag" with everything I need to run for my life. I definitely need to buy a gun before the 2nd amendment is gotten rid of.

I really don't see myself as a protester or a freedom fighter, the #1 priority will be helping me and my family and friends get somewhere safe. I don't see the point in dying for this country or peacefully protesting and getting tear gassed. I'm more of a "nothing is permanent so adapt and survive" type person.

In a nutshell, when the shit hits the fan I will be a defensive fighter. I will mostly run like hell, but I will kill when I have to.

Silly me. On first read I thought this thread was going to be about a Rick Santorum presidency.
 

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I checked your article ... It's a one-sided article written from a certain point of view with a predetermined conclusion. Like most political commentary is.

Of course. We're in agreement on this issue. While it wasn't a particularly balanced article, as I freely admitted up front, I tried to find one that would not be immediately dismissed as conservative propaganda. Had I posted, for example, a direct link to Rush's site, or the Romney campaign site, it would have been summarily rejected.

To get a better idea of conservative thought I prefer to read people like Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, or George Will.

As do I. But I assumed they, too, as prominent conservatives, would be summarily dismissed, and possibly even demonized.

It sounds as if we're both reasonable people, who prefer a higher level of discourse, but who just happen to disagree on the details. Impressive. Politics, at any level, is usually a most divisive issue.

Thank YOU, as well, for remaining both civil and respectful.

too many stories about the Muslim in the White House.

I never did understand why that was an issue. Whether or not he is a Muslim, whether or not we are comfortable with a Muslim in the White House, the President's religion is not a Constitutional issue.

Though I freely admit that I would prefer a Christian, there is no religious requirement for the Presidency!

35 years old, natural born citizen, and 14 years residency. That's it...straight out of the Constitution.
 

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I never did understand why that was an issue. Whether or not he is a Muslim, whether or not we are comfortable with a Muslim in the White House, the President's religion is not a Constitutional issue.

Though I freely admit that I would prefer a Christian, there is no religious requirement for the Presidency!

35 years old, natural born citizen, and 14 years residency. That's it...straight out of the Constitution.

Well put.

And, for the record, he is a Christian. :smile:
 

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He professes to be a Christian.

He's a politician...Democrat, Republican, Independent, or other... How can you tell when a politician is lying...his lips are moving!

So, you think he's secretly a muslim? Honestly?

And do you really believe all politicians are dishonest all the time?
 

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So, you think he's secretly a muslim? Honestly?

OK, it's obvious you have a difficult time reading plain English, so I suggest you go back and re-read what I actually wrote.

To synopsize, if he's a Muslim, or if he's not...it doesn't matter. There is no religious requirement for President. I never actually stated my opinion.

But, since you asked...he claims, publicly, that he is a Christian. And, other than the fact that he is a politician, I have no specific reason to think he's lying.

And do you really believe all politicians are dishonest all the time?
You *do* realize that you're asking about a very old joke, right?

All is a dangerous word. It's right up there with never.

But, based on experience, I do find it much easier to just assume they're lying, until proven otherwise.
 
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OK, it's obvious you have a difficult time reading plain English, so I suggest you go back and re-read what I actually wrote.

To synopsize, if he's a Muslim, or if he's not...it doesn't matter. There is no religious requirement for President. I never actually stated my opinion.

But, since you asked...he claims, publicly, that he is a Christian. And, other than the fact that he is a politician, I have no specific reason to think he's lying.

All is a dangerous word. It's right up there with never.

But, based on experience, I do find it much easier to just assume they're lying, until proven otherwise.

What an utter disingenuous cop out.
 

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He professes to be a Christian.

He's a politician...Democrat, Republican, Independent, or other... How can you tell when a politician is lying...his lips are moving!

Your stance would seem less disingenouous if you expressed doubt about any specific politician besides Obama.

Given your generalized caveat, do you acknowledge then that you also can't be sure whether Santorum, or Paul, or Gingrich, or Romney are Christians? (Actually, depending on your definition of the term, Romney may be much more doubtful on that score than Obama.)
 
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Your stance would seem less disingenouous if you expressed doubt about any specific politician besides Obama.

I have massive doubt about anything said by any politician. As I said earlier, all is a dangerous word...but it's pretty much all of them. Yes.

But, based on experience, I do find it much easier to just assume they're lying, until proven otherwise.
In what way was I being disingenuous? I was careful to use the plural form, when referring to politicians.

Who would you like me to pick on? Obama? Hillary? Kerry? Or, would you like me to start in on John McCain, Sarah Palin, George Bush Jr or Sr? Or, shall we go back a little ways to Jimmy Carter or Gerald Ford? How far back do you want me to go? And, no, it's not only Presidential candidates, either.

I find it easier to assume *they* are lying, or at least seriously spinning the information, until proven otherwise.

If the word lie bothers you, I could replace it with "not telling the entire truth."

Given your generalized caveat, do you acknowledge then that you also can't be sure whether Santorum, or Paul, or Gingrich, or Romney are Christians? (Actually, depending on your definition of the term, Romney may be much more doubtful on that score than Obama.)
Operating from the assumption that the purpose of a lie is to improve your chances, bolster your position, or in some way enhance your standing, yes, I think the "spin" put out by each politician calls into question the actual truth about pretty much anything they say.

However, having said that, Romney professes to be a Mormon. Given the brouhaha that could, undoubtedly, be spurred by this claim, I do not see how it would benefit him. So, I tend to believe his claim of Mormonism. It would be a very stupid lie, that would have the potential to hurt him in the general election, and he is not a stupid man.

While it's not an absolute requirement, Christianity (or at least not non-Christian) is viewed by many as a desirable trait. Remember, or possibly research, if you're young, the concerns that voters had over JFK's Catholicism, and the potential allegiances. One very real concern was that he would yield Presidential authority to the Pope.

As for the rest, yes, I would say that I assume they are lying, or at least not telling the entire truth, until proven otherwise.
 
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