Anyone reading Ayn Rand ATLAS SHRUGGED

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Rand's drivel comes into vogue every time a Democrat gets the presidency...
The conservatives give it a big push to try and get folks to start falling for her peculiar brand of solipsism.

Of course, since her time science has actually proven that altruism is evolved and enhances survival in social species.
 
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It sounds like someone else was watching Frontline this past week.

I just watched it. Truly heartbreaking. America is so over. Industry has bought Congress. The plutocrats own American democracy.The Quiet Coup has taken place. Government is for the people in name only.

Hot,
Greenspan has obviously never been in a boardroom and listened to all the rationalizations for basically screwing everyone they can think of in the name of profit.

Not only was Greespan (and Ayn Rand) wrong, but he also apologiized for being such an idiot, oops sorry, i mean such a follower of Objectivism.

Indeed he admitted 'I found a flaw in the model that I perceived as the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works". But it seems no one has gotten it but those outside the echo chamber.
 

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Funny how this is no longer lauded by the literary libtards now that their boy Barrah is in office ... guessing one of his biographies via pre-junior senator will be up for a Pulitzer soon enough.

It was never lauded by, "literary libtards," or anyone connected to the worlds of literature or philosophy. Rand is not a bad writer however she's not terribly deep, doesn't use irony, doesn't have a sophisticated style. She's not an author who has garnered wide literary respect. As a philosopher she fails to answer even the most basic points of morality raised by Bentham when he proposed Utilitarianism which is what Objectivism most closely resembles.
 

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Reading this thread makes me want to go back and read some Hermann Hesse. :tongue:

Funny how this is no longer lauded by the literary libtards now that their boy Barrah is in office ... guessing one of his biographies via pre-junior senator will be up for a Pulitzer soon enough.

I find this really interesting given your recent post from another thread excerpted here:

A general, and now perhaps wise observation I've made...

The most ardent global warming fanatics (and granted many of you are at this point... a la Manhattan under water inside of 40 years... you saaid it not me).... are also the most atheist anti-religious ppl I know.

The parallels are becoming astounding... an unseen devil, challenging the "status quo" (I borrowed that one from big eared Barrah), heresy to challenge, the money going to the "earth is flat attitude", practically imprisonment for those who don't abide (a la stiff fines, when the whole subject is beyond debatable).

It's becoming more and more religion, for the non-religious...

Mostly because Ayn Rand was an open Atheist who challenged the "status quo" and spoke of "unseen devils", to use your terms. Of course, she was a far-right Conservative, the "status quo" she was challenging were basically the same things you're vehemently against, and the "unseen devils" were things like reasonless altruism and so forth.

I find it so interesting that modern Conservatives start to clutch onto Rand like her two books are guides handed down from On High when she didn't even have a religion.
 

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....I find it so interesting that modern Conservatives start to clutch onto Rand like her two books are guides handed down from On High when she didn't even have a religion.

That is because far right conservatism has created a kind of unholy alliance between free market principles, capital punishment, a propensity to make war and a strange sort of perverted Christianity.

The massive contradictions between all those things and genuine Christianity is so obvious that it should be clear to everyone that extreme right wing conservatism is a culture wrapped in a false cloak of religion.

By some insane logic, greed, inequitable distribution of wealth, unfettered capitalism that rewards greed and unethical behavior, and legislated denial of basic human needs have somehow been painted with cheap Christian colored whitewash and defended as if somehow Jesus himself would identify with it.

Jesus said that people like this are like "whited sepulchres" (ya gotta love the KJV for its lyrical style if nothing else), meaning already painted with the white mask of death.

Therefore, it makes as little difference to right wing conservatives that Barack Obama has been a lifelong church goer as it does that Ayn Rand was an atheist. What matters is the cultural and political ideology they represent.

Of course Ayn Rand was an atheist because until Christianity was hijacked and redefined by fundamentalists, anyone espousing a philosophy of formalized greed and self-centered morality would be seen as an anathema to any Christian.

These days this is not only acceptable, but somehow encouraged by Christian fundamentalism.
 

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Reading this thread makes me want to go back and read some Hermann Hesse. :tongue: [edit]

Funny, I was mulling over the same idea. I seem to remember that after one had finished with Rand the next author to be consumed was Hermann Hesse, starting with Siddhartha (not the best introduction to buddhism). After reading Hesse one had developed a vocabulary capable of taking on such self-indulgent romantic quests as the Alexandria Quartet or Anna Karenina, Crime and Punishment, and maybe even a little Tolstoy (usually The Life and Death of Ivan Ilyich and selected short stories).

But there are those who never got past Ayan Rand and went another direction. Some, like Bush the Younger, returned to Horton Hears a Who and The Cat in the Hat, because of brain damage. Others seem to have become over consumers of self-help books.

I just reread Tunc a few weeks ago and found it ironically poignant with regard to what's happening in Iraq and the Middle East.
 

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Funny, I was mulling over the same idea. I seem to remember that after one had finished with Rand the next author to be consumed was Hermann Hesse, starting with Siddhartha (not the best introduction to buddhism). After reading Hesse one had developed a vocabulary capable of taking on such self-indulgent romantic quests as the Alexandria Quartet or Anna Karenina, Crime and Punishment, and maybe even a little Tolstoy (usually The Life and Death of Ivan Ilyich and selected short stories).

But there are those who never got past Ayan Rand and went another direction. Some, like Bush the Younger, returned to Horton Hears a Who and The Cat in the Hat, because of brain damage. Others seem to have become over consumers of self-help books.

I just reread Tunc a few weeks ago and found it ironically poignant with regard to what's happening in Iraq and the Middle East.

Haha! After we read Hesse we went straight to Camus. It was enough to make you want to hang yourself.
 

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But there are those who never got past Ayan Rand and went another direction. Some, like Bush the Younger, returned to Horton Hears a Who and The Cat in the Hat, because of brain damage.

Are those by the author of Horton Fucks a Ho and The Cat in the Hat Gets Shit-Faced?