Aoc and democratic green new deal

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Is it realistic? They want stop airplane travel. To replace lost electrical generation by fossil fuels, with present photovoltaic generation, we would need to cover an area a bit larger than California with panels.

Also they want to guarantee an income for people unwilling to work.
 
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Is it realistic? They want stop airplane travel. To replace lost electrical generation by fossil fuels, with present photovoltaic generation, we would need to cover an area a bit larger than California with panels.

Also they want to guarantee an income for people unwilling to work.

No it’s not realistic. Their “plan” it to make everyone as dependent on the government as possible. The more dependent you are on something or someone, the more power it/they have over you.
 
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Want to see completely unrealistic?

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I'll take the Green New Deal and whatever that leads to any day.
 
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Oh you mean like to 40 house seats they won in November

Oh you mean like the Governor seats in MI and WI among other states that went from R to D

He's nuts. I recall posting the results of that election and he denied the call by NBC. They live in an alternate parallel world where 2+2=5. War is peace. Ignorance is strength.
 

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Is it realistic? They want stop airplane travel. To replace lost electrical generation by fossil fuels, with present photovoltaic generation, we would need to cover an area a bit larger than California with panels.

It may not all be realistic. But it's also not realistic to think we can go on as we have. We need far-sighted, creative solutions, or there'll be no solutions at all.
 

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It may not all be realistic. But it's also not realistic to think we can go on as we have. We need far-sighted, creative solutions, or there'll be no solutions at all.

So the USA needs the literal opposite of AOC.
 
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Oh you mean like to 40 house seats they won in November

Oh you mean like the Governor seats in MI and WI among other states that went from R to D

Mid terms traditionally go against the current govt. Trump gained in the senate, the seats of which went from D to R.
 
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The conservatives and other puppets of the elites are all triggers by this. So you know what? I am all for it.

They are putting out hit pieces based on shit that isn't even in the bill. That says everything I need to know.

AOC has literally deleted her proposal from her website because it was so whack.

She’s a dictator in sheep’s clothing.
 
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The conservatives and other puppets of the elites are all triggered by this. So you know what? I am all for it.

They are putting out hit pieces based on shit that isn't even in the bill. That says everything I need to know.

++ puppets of fossil fuel industry.
 
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So if you oppose a literal dictatorship, you’re a “puppet of the fossil fuel industry”?

Lmao

You are just ridiculous. Who is proposing a dictatorship? No one. No one at all.

There are real problems you can have with the green new deal. The fact that very few on the right seem to want to discuss the actual resolution and just want to attack it with lies says it all.
 

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PV + wind can easily meet current and future electrical needs. Utilities just have to install it and buy what individuals install on their homes and businesses.

And before you go apeshit about what to do when the wind dies or the sun sets there are several ways to "store" excess daytime power:
  1. dissociate water by electrolysis into hydrogen and oxygen then burn them together in traditional power plants to boil water to turn steam turbines which generate electricity.
  2. battery storage - large scale lithium ion storage is going to become huge.
  3. flywheel storage - scaling up the technology which already exists will be easy.
  4. pump water up into storage reservoirs then run it down through turbines.
All four of these lend themselves to the efficiencies of large scale central control which the power industry loves. All four are zero carbon except what's required to manufacture and service the equipment.

Coal? Don't worry about coal. After we frack and pump all the oil and natural gas out of the ground (and burn it all) we'll go back to burning coal.

Remember we're going to be around for thousands if not millions of years. Fossil fuels are finite. Solar/wind/water are not.
 

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It is nothing more than a proposal put forth to AT LEAST TRY to address the PROVEN issue of climate change and depleting fuels, and backed by a number of supporters in Congress and in the field of study.

Though, for all of the HOOPLA, negative SPIN, and false PROPAGANDA that the right and their appointed sycophants who troll online media and forums BELCH forth, Some environmentalist say it doesn't go FAR ENOUGH.

Critics of the Green New Deal Dismissed It as a Marketing Ploy. AOC Just Showed Them It’s For Real. – Mother Jones

"The Green New Deal has officially graduated from a vision for mobilizing young activists to occupy Democratic lawmakers’ offices to a document attracting a number of powerful co-sponsors from both houses of Congress.

Freshman congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) has teamed up with a veteran of the congressional climate debates, Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), to release a framework for the Green New Deal. On Thursday, the resolution landed with more than 60 backers in the House and nine in the Senate, conspicuously including presidential contenders Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), and Kristen Gillibrand (D-N.Y.). It’s not clear if it has the backing of top Democratic leadership in the House that is essential to move a bill forward in committee.

This is still a messaging document in many ways, not a fully formed piece of legislation.

But it’s meant to attract a wider tent of political supporters and energize activists by threading the needle on the themes of social and economic justice with the often-siloed, highly polarized debates on what to do about climate change. The proposal includes revitalizing infrastructure, retrofitting buildings, and restoring ecosystems, while calling for a jobs guarantee and fair wages in an energy system driven by 100 percent clean energy, which will all be led “by frontline and vulnerable communities and workers.”

For the most part, many climate activists are thrilled to see the shift in the Overton window, with a resolution that moves “the national climate debate to places no one thought possible even a year ago,” Greenpeace USA Climate Director Janet Redman said in a statement.

Yet there has been some criticism from a handful of environmental groups, including Food and Water Watch, Friends of the Earth, and Greenpeace, about how even this resolution shies away from fossil fuel production, which they consider to be the crux of the climate fight. David Turnbull of Oil Change International says that the resolution has “clear and explicit goals outlined for renewable energy development” but has no clear “parallel goal outlined for the imperative of a managed decline of fossil fuel production.”"


In short, a work in progress, putting forth proposals and IDEAS, in recognition of a REAL and IMMINENT problem... as OPPOSED to the narrow-minded, alternate reality, head in the sand IGNORANCE and DENIAL on the part of Trump and his particular "BASKET."




 

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Cortezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz is the best thing that has happened to the Republican party in years.

She is helping to destroy the democRats so we won't have to put up with them for years to come. Now if she can take the half of the Republicans that's also worthless that would be great.

halcyondays, those are great ideas and why they haven't been pursued I have no idea. As soon as they figure out how to miniaturize the Watt cheap power would also be available.
Perpetual motion machines have been invented but the inverters have been bought out and or killed to hide their inventions via the big power brokers. Our goobernment sucks and no that isn't spelled wrong.