Apparently it's been said alot that it's about 2/3rds lost if you get...

[SirConcis]

What people don't realise is that even for uncircumcised, as the glans matures, it becomes more robust and thus the intensity of sensitivity goes down. If childhoodl sensiivity remained, uncurcumcised males would never be able to masturbate for instance since it would be painful.

With regards to adult circumcision, one should compare sensitivity within 1 or 2 years of the deed. After that, the normal aging process may have more influence on sensitivity than the circumcision itself. And you can't compare too quickly after the circ because it takes 6 month to a year for the sensitivity to regain full strength.

 

[deleted15807]

Accept it; you have no disproof for Sorrels study, ...........

Pssst pssst..... Sorrels is a restorer too like yourself. Don't tell anyone. But he looked down and didn't like what he saw too. And then does some lab work and surprise what did he fine.....duhhhh but he never bothered to simply ask any post-ops. I think we know why he never bothered. Just ask the OP. How hard can that be? Just ask him.

BTW- There's plenty out there to question Sorrels but anyone can Google. I know you like to do it for them and 'present' all the 'relevant' cherry picked links. Are you afraid to let people do their own research. Or do jus like to 'guide' them?

 

[JTalbain]

What people don't realise is that even for uncircumcised, as the glans matures, it becomes more robust and thus the intensity of sensitivity goes down. If childhoodl sensiivity remained, uncurcumcised males would never be able to masturbate for instance since it would be painful.

With regards to adult circumcision, one should compare sensitivity within 1 or 2 years of the deed. After that, the normal aging process may have more influence on sensitivity than the circumcision itself. And you can't compare too quickly after the circ because it takes 6 month to a year for the sensitivity to regain full strength.

Aging is a factor, and can be taken into account, however other factors being important as well does not mean what is left by each individuals circumcision, or lack thereof, is trivial. Sorrels measured this, cut men came up lacking in sensitivity. He wasn't investigating a bunch of young intact guys compared to a bunch of circumcised old men. There was a difference based on circumcision status.

And actually, the body's perception of sensation adjusts over time, often very quickly. More sensation, less sensation, whatever, you do eventually get used to it. It's actually for this reason that surveys on the subject are so woefully inadequete.

Here's an experiment for you to try: Turn the water in your shower up fairly hot. Put your hand under it. Is the water hot? Now jump in for a minute or two. Step out again and put your hand under. Is it hot? No, your body got used to it, and fairly quickly too. While this sort of conditioning is fairly temporary, it can be made more permanent through repeated exposure. Many a waiter or cook has been noted to have "kitchen hands" that are insensitive to heat. Your brain and the sensitivity of the nerves just readjusts for what is normal and doesn't ask you, leading many people to believe there is no change. I've seen many people claim that their sensitivity, regardless of circumcision status, is the same in their 50's or 60's as it was when they were young. Their claims usually go unchallenged, but I imagine they are highly unlikely.

Pssst pssst..... Sorrels is a restorer too like yourself. Don't tell anyone. But he looked down and didn't like what he saw too.

Since you delight so much in attacking Sorrels- Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you'd like to explain how restoring his foreskin somehow makes Sorrells work invalid, rather than just serving as a rational reason for why he might want to perform such a study in the first place? Your unqualified diagnosis of Body Dysmorphic Disorder is wearing a little thin. Additionally, there is no room for bias in a fine touch sensitivity test. Either you feel it or you don't. You're not accusing him of slanting the study with a bias, you're accusing him, and the entire medical research team by extension, of flat out lying about the measurements. Even the most rabid of circumcision enthusiasts haven't been stupid enough to make that claim.

And then does some lab work and surprise what did he fine.....duhhhh but he never bothered to simply ask any post-ops. I think we know why he never bothered. Just ask the OP. How hard can that be? Just ask him.

Oh yes, because simply asking someone whether or not they're more sensitive than other people of a particular group is SOOOO much better than actually measuring and finding out for yourself. What's next Sargon? Are doctors going to start asking patients whether they think the tumor is cancerous, rather than performing a biopsy?

BTW- There's plenty out there to question Sorrels but anyone can Google. I know you like to do it for them and 'present' all the 'relevant' cherry picked links. Are you afraid to let people do their own research. Or do jus like to 'guide' them?

Translation: You know that disproof doesn't exist. You claim it does, and that "plenty out there" questions Sorrels, but you can't produce anything? Weak.

And you're right, by the way. Anyone can Google, and not a single disproof of the Sorrells study has been turned in. If you expect your point of view to stand against actual evidence, you're fighting a losing battle.

 

[Riven650]

I was circumcised (including removal of frenum) at age 30. Not for medical reasons. I wanted it done for aesthetic reasons.

I don't think there's any loss of sexual response, in that it's just as easy to become aroused after circumcision. There's obviously some skin missing, and I can still remember the foreskin sensations I once had. However, I don't mind because they weren't necessary for my sexual enjoyment, and after circumcision it does feel a bit different and I liked, and still like, the feelings.

 

[mandoman]

The reason it was said that 20,000 nerves were lost in the first place, was because Dr. John Taylor, pathologist at the University of Manitoba, Canada, counted them with a microscope.
He wasn't making it up.

 

[Vagus]

I'm remembering a couple important, it seems completely SUBjective anecdotes about circumcision: 1: there is still sensations even without the nerve endings. 2: sensation tends to drop off in circumcision males with the onset of middle-age.

 

[deleted15807]

Here's an experiment for you to try

I already offered you a far more valid 'experiment' which to my delight you choose not to do. Because of course you are not interested in the answer. Ask the OP. What are you afraid of JT? What?

FINE-TOUCH PRESSURE THRESHOLDS IN THE ADULT PENIS

Surprisingly, the study omitted to address sexual pleasure. The existence of a market for lidocaine-based products to reduce penile sensitivity attests to the desire by some men for a penis with reduced, not heightened, sensitivity. Moreover, undesirable preputial sensations such as pain, discomfort and irritation must be considered. While results are somewhat mixed, one study found reduced pain in 69% of men after circumcision [8]. Thus it would seem that a more important question is whether sexual pleasure is affected. In two very much larger surveys, no association was found between circumcision status and failure to enjoy sex

Actually it's no surprise at all the omission of simply asking as the answer would be contra to the goal of the effort.
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[JTalbain]

I already offered you a far more valid 'experiment' which to my delight you choose not to do. Because of course you are not interested in the answer. Ask the OP. What are you afraid of JT? What?

Would that experiment be the test for Body Dysmorphic Disorder? The one that I scored a total of 2 on, with a 7 needed to actually start seriously considering if you have a problem? That experiment was laughable, as was your dodge of my entire post.

 

[deleted15807]

^ The experiment of simply asking the thread OP. And I know you didn't even bother to take the OCD test. Duhhhh...I know that. And if you did you lied your way through it

 

[JTalbain]

^ The experiment of simply asking the thread OP. And I know you didn't even bother to take the OCD test. Duhhhh...I know that. And if you did you lied your way through it

Believe what you want Sargon. You arguing about whether or not I took the test is just like the "evidence" you present; you start off with a clearly defined belief (you think anyone who believes differently than you is mentally ill) and you are unwilling to accept the results from any testing which might prove otherwise.

And what exactly would I be asking the original poster? How difficult it is to ask people after circumcision what they think their sensations are? The real question is, what exactly does this accomplish? As I pointed out with my proposed experiment, people don't necessarily know to what extent they are perceiving anything, because our perceptions are subjective. Hence, the only thing that asking post op patients would do is gather a lot of subjective observations, of which we already have plenty. They contradict each other and are of no use to anyone, except maybe to point out that different people are affected different ways.

Subjective opinion is not where we get information that we can rely on, we get that information from actually testing and measuring what we're wondering about. Some people are convinced their eyes are fine until they get tested at the optometrist. They may be convinced that they are fairly strong until they get to the gym and find out how little they can actually lift. Others may feel they are brilliant until they take a placement exam or an IQ test. All of these tests bypass what people think they know about themselves and give the actual relevant values a measured number. This is what Sorrels did, and why your entire stance is flawed.

 

[JTalbain]

^ The experiment of simply asking the thread OP. And I know you didn't even bother to take the OCD test. Duhhhh...I know that. And if you did you lied your way through it

Just to stick it in your eye, I'll take the test again for you.

1. I excessively worry about my physical appearance. - No, I'm comforatable with how I look. My feelings about my penis are entirely based around my sensation, not my appearance. If I could push a button, and appear to the world to be uncircumcised, but not actually change anything, I would not be satisfied.
2. I often check my appearance in mirrors or other reflecting objects (i.e., windows, car bumpers, spoons, etc). - No, in fact I often forget to shave, comb my hair, etc. and other people have to remind me. For this reason, I used to shave my head during summer months to avoid having to comb my hair.
3. I frequently avoid mirrors and other reflecting objects. - No, I look in the mirror while brushing my teeth and when I remember to shave, and I don't feel self conscious at the gym, which is mirrored all around.
4. I excessively perform basic grooming activities (i.e., washing skin, combing hair, brushing teeth) related to my perceived flaw. - No, in fact about the only "grooming" activity that might be related to being circumcised is washing my cock in the shower. Before any masturbation jokes are made, I usually clean the pipes in bed. :wink:
5. I often use make-up or clothing (i.e., hats, scarves, long sleeve shirts, long pants, etc.) to camouflage my perceived flaw. - No, I don't do the towel dance and I'm usually the one taking extra long showers at the gym as well. I don't go to lengths to try to conceal my circumcised penis. Any warning my friends get if I need to change clothes and they're in my room is usually just, I'm changing clothes about 2 seconds before I remove my pants. All my friends but one have stopped caring about nudity around me, and that friend weighs 400 lbs, so I'm pretty sure of what his reasons are.
6. I frequently attempt to hide my perceived flaw by using my hands, by sitting in certain positions, or by staying in places where I believe the flaw will be less noticeable by others (i.e., a dark corner in a theatre or restaurant). - No, again, I hang out naked in the locker room, and I have been known to laugh at people who go through hoops to hide that they have a dick.
7. I regularly scrutinize others' appearance for comparison. - No, at least not any more than anyone else sneaks a quick peek for "comparison". :wink: If I am looking at other naked people and scrutinize anything, it tends to be musculature, because I have been lifting weights for a while now.
8. I sometimes discuss my perceived flaw with others, or ask others to verify my perceived flaw. - I had to, in all fairness, give myself a Yes here. After all, I have posted on this board on the subject often enough.
9. I often seek reassurance from others about the appearance of my perceived flaw. - No, I'm very self-contained on the subject. What's done is done, and if anything is going to be done to change it, that's on me.
10. I often touch, pick, and/or measure my perceived flaw. - Beyond simple masturbation, pissing, and cleaning, No. I honestly couldn't even tell you what I measure on the Foreskin Coverage Index.
11. I diet and/or eat only specific foods related to my perceived flaw. - I've yet to find a food that regrows foreskins, but I'll drop you a line if I do. No.
12. I excessively exercise and/or lift weights in an effort to alter my perceived flaw. - No, in fact my laziness on workout routines in general has meant that my restoration process has been standing still for years.
13. I avoid certain places and/or activities (i.e., parties, dating, swimming, restaurants, theatres, etc.) because I don't want others to see my perceived flaw. - Again, I am up for nudity, and I don't cover up. I realize that other people, particularly in America, don't give a circumcised penis a second thought. So, No.
14. I generally avoid having my picture taken. - No. I don't always like it, but that's much more to do with me not liking to put on a suit and most of my picture I'm in being professional family photos.
15. I have undergone cosmetic procedures to correct my perceived flaw (i.e., plastic surgery, hair replacement, skin bleaching, etc.). - Not just no, but hell no. No cosmetic surgery on my dick. I've always felt strongly against getting cosmetic surgery, even before I knew what circumcision was. This is actually one of the reasons why I don't like being circumcised.
16. I am dissatisfied with the outcome of these cosmetic procedures. No, because answering No to question 15 renders 16 inapplicable.
17. I am planning or hoping to have cosmetic procedures to alter my perceived flaw in the future. Again, hell no.
18. I am often anxious or depressed thinking about my perceived flaw. - In the past, mainly when I first found out about circumcision, I was actually depressed fairly often, but not anymore. I could be a little bit of a drama queen at times about it, but I'm not actually depressed. I accepted a while back that what's done is done and I can either move forward with restoration or live with being circumcised. That's all there is to it.
19. I am often late for activities due to performing behaviors related to my perceived flaw. - Since I don't even do any activities really related to being circumcised, except for posting here, this is a No. It could have almost been a yes, but I've only been late to work because of replying on this subject once. If it gives you any sort of trollish pride Sargon, it was to your post. :tongue:
20. I often believe others notice my perceived flaw and/or are thinking negative thoughts about my perceived flaw. - No one comments on my circumcision status, and I don't think they're thinking about it either, so No.
21. I am significantly distressed about my perceived flaw. No, I used to be, kinda of a double up question with number 18, but not anymore.
22. I often believe others are discussing or commenting on my perceived flaw. - No, if anything, I know most people don't see it as a flaw at all, and all of my friends but a couple are circumcised as well.
23. My concerns about my perceived flaw are interfering with my relationships and/or with my academic or professional functioning. - I had to answer Yes here again, because as I've stated, I've put off being in a sexual relationship just because I don't want to deal with the conversations that would come up from choosing to restore.
24. I spend _____ hours per day doing behaviors specifically related to my perceived flaw. Less than 1, so I answered zero. Posting here isn't done specifically because I am circumcised. I oppose it on moral and ethical grounds, and would still do so if I magically had a foreskin again. Additionally, I do it partly because I enjoy intellectual debate, and I'm just as likely to be on youtube or my PS3 at any given time. Given the choice between going to a friend's house to do something or lurking here, I'll be at my friend's. I do occassionally throw in stretching exercises for foreskin restoration, but I rarely go longer than half an hour, and I don't do them with any degree of regularity.
25. I worry most about the following parts of my body: Since I don't have a foreskin anymore, I figured it was most accurate to say penis.

So like I said, I scored a 2. Let's see what the follow-up email has to say about it:

* 1 to 3 test items checked: There is a low probability that you have BDD. You may be more concerned about your body image than most people, but it is unlikely that these concerns significantly impact your life.

* 4 to 7 test items checked: There is a medium probability that you have BDD. You likely experience a moderately high amount of distress related to your body, and likely spend more time than most people obsessing about, and checking, your appearance.

* More than 7 test items checked: There is a high probability that you have BDD. You most likely have a great amount of distress related to what you perceive to be a significant flaw with your body. It is likely you spend a considerable amount of time checking your appearance, attempting to change and/or camouflage your appearance, and avoiding situations in which you fear others might observe your perceived body flaw.

Notice how most of that test is about personal vanity, how you think you are perceived, and not about body function? Learn a new tune, Sargon. This one's gotten a bit old.

 

[JTalbain]

^ The experiment of simply asking the thread OP. And I know you didn't even bother to take the OCD test. Duhhhh...I know that. And if you did you lied your way through it

It just occurred to me the irony of you accusing me of lying on a survey. :tongue:

 

[deleted15807]

I already offered you a far more valid 'experiment' which to my delight you choose not to do. Because of course you are not interested in the answer. Ask the OP. What are you afraid of JT? What?

FINE-TOUCH PRESSURE THRESHOLDS IN THE ADULT PENIS

Surprisingly, the study omitted to address sexual pleasure. The existence of a market for lidocaine-based products to reduce penile sensitivity attests to the desire by some men for a penis with reduced, not heightened, sensitivity. Moreover, undesirable preputial sensations such as pain, discomfort and irritation must be considered. While results are somewhat mixed, one study found reduced pain in 69% of men after circumcision [8]. Thus it would seem that a more important question is whether sexual pleasure is affected. In two very much larger surveys, no association was found between circumcision status and failure to enjoy sex

Actually it's no surprise at all the omission of simply asking as the answer would be contra to the goal of the effort.
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JT but I'm still waiting for your reply. It was a simple enough Google to find the 'issues' with Sorrel's. And a simple enough question to the OP. Where is the loss in satisfaction? Where is it? Where Where Where? If Ely-Lilly says Prozac boosts serotonin levels but alas never bothers to ask the patient's 'how do you feel' where is the proof it works? Even you can follow that logic. Ehhh maybe you can't. I should just listen to HazelGod next time.

 

[JTalbain]

JT but I'm still waiting for your reply. It was a simple enough Google to find the 'issues' with Sorrel's.

Let me get this straight, you're asserting that proof that Sorrels' study is wrong, I say no such proof exists, and you're using as proof that it does that I haven't provided it? I don't think you understand how debate works. Claiming that something exists is not the same as proving it. It's on you to provide this phantom evidence if you want it to be considered.

And a simple enough question to the OP. Where is the loss in satisfaction? Where is it? Where Where Where?

Hmmm.... I'd say it's probably found in abundance here: foreskin restoration - Google Search= I'd say that someone who elects to undertake a multiyear task of stretching their penis in order to change it has got to be fairly dissatisfied with the way it is. And considering the almost total lack of anyone being displeased with the end result, I'd say they're right for thinking so.

If Ely-Lilly says Prozac boosts serotonin levels but alas never bothers to ask the patient's 'how do you feel' where is the proof it works? Even you can follow that logic. Ehhh maybe you can't. I should just listen to HazelGod next time.

The difference being that the point of Prozac is to make people feel better. How someone feels can be somewhat accurately predicted by hormonal levels in the body, but asking them how they feel in relation to this is actually a pertinent question. After all, it is not always a chemical imbalance at fault, and someone feeling like shit after their levels have been adjusted probably has another problem that needs to be addressed.

I'm sure that many of the circumcised men measured in Sorrels' study feel that their sexual sensitivity is just fine. As has been pointed out before, some men felt they were too sensitive, so they got circumcised and liked the fact that their sensitivity was reduced. But whether someone likes the end result is not in question with Sorrels' study. What they are actually feeling is. Being sexually satisfied and being more sexually sensitive are not the same thing, one can be objectively measured and one can't.

 

[darkbond007]

My adult circumcision did not cause a loss in sensitivity. That's all I have to say on this topic

 

[dad4you]

I would do everything in my power to NOT get circumcised.. Although I love sucking and jacking cut dicks , when I jack myself I love the feeling of that foreskin! Not only that,, when the skin is retracted along the shaft when hard, I believe it makes the experience more intense.
I don't think anyone has addressed the way the foreskin contributes to the sexual experience when retracted along the shaft?

 

[JTalbain]

I would do everything in my power to NOT get circumcised.. Although I love sucking and jacking cut dicks , when I jack myself I love the feeling of that foreskin! Not only that,, when the skin is retracted along the shaft when hard, I believe it makes the experience more intense.
I don't think anyone has addressed the way the foreskin contributes to the sexual experience when retracted along the shaft?

Think most uncut guys feel that it is self-evident. I know that I do just looking at videos of the difference in masturbation techniques. Uncut guys can generally manage with very little effort during masturbation, and with cut guys... well, let's just say that one video has photo blur and the other doesn't. :tongue:

 

[Hoss]

Think most uncut guys feel that it is self-evident. I know that I do just looking at videos of the difference in masturbation techniques. Uncut guys can generally manage with very little effort during masturbation, and with cut guys... well, let's just say that one video has photo blur and the other doesn't. :tongue:

STFU! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we are expected to believe the idiocy which you keep spurting, then circumcised men rarerly if ever masturbate, never experience any pleasure, and might as well hack away what they have.

NBWSFLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I masturbate quite well without lubes.


NEWSFLASH!!!!!!!!!!!! I have incredible and intense sexual pleasure.

NEWSFLASH!!!!!! I recall my foreskin (removed when I was 11) and I masturbated a few times before the circumcision, they were dry but the were fun.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! I have full usage even at age 60 and I haven't needed any pills.

NEWSFLASH!!!! I've never had a sex partner express disappointment from my vircumcised penis, even them that had only been with uncircumcised men until me.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! I didn't feel unsatisfied with any sex partner, even with the lack of foreskin.


NEWSFLASH!!!!! I haven't had any man or woman run screaming at the sight of my circumcised penis and weep that it is hideous. Even people from places where circumcising is rare haven't had an issue.


NEWSFLASH!!!!! Circumcised men get the tingly excitement and stiffen when seeing things they find sexually stimulating.


NEWSFLASH!!!! Even circuumcised men can and do ooze precum as they think about sex.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! your own post betrays you when saying that there are different techniques. Yeah well guess what, circumcsed men have different techniques from each other and uncircumcised men have different techniques from each other, the same as penetrative sex and oral sex, everybody has their style and techique.
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After that ridiculous study/poll which was made by you the other day where you eventually admit the poll is skewed in anticirc manner, and the study was itself skewed as much as you tried to deny it (even the sutdyy results admitted bias) I have come to the conclusion that you are ill informed perhaps having been fed hogwash and slanted tales since biirth.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

circumcised men have different techniques from each other and uncircumcised men have different techniques from each other, the same as penetrative sex and oral sex, everybody has their style and technique.

This is precisely why there will never be a definitive answer as to whether or not circumcised or uncircumcised men have more fun.

 

[JTalbain]

STFU! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NBWSFLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I masturbate quite well without lubes.

I don't, and many other men don't. I have suffered from masturbation related irritations on my penis in the past and even had the skin tear along my circumcision scar before. Don't project your experiences on others.

NEWSFLASH!!!!!!!!!!!! I have incredible and intense sexual pleasure.

And I don't. In fact, I have a lack of sensitivity that is such that most people can't get me off. It isn't just a matter of intensity either; it seems that there is a range of sensation missing. Stimulation jumps straight from not enough to ever achieve orgasm to painful. The fact that you have no problems with sensation and pleasure does not mean that no one does.

NEWSFLASH!!!!!! I recall my foreskin (removed when I was 11) and I masturbated a few times before the circumcision, they were dry but the were fun.

Meaning what exactly?

NEWSFLASH!!!!! I have full usage even at age 60 and I haven't needed any pills.

If you think this allows you to speak for everyone else on the subject of sexual dysfunction, it doesn't. Your experiences are not necessarily unique, but they are specific to you.

NEWSFLASH!!!! I've never had a sex partner express disappointment from my vircumcised penis, even them that had only been with uncircumcised men until me.

I have. I've had people, men and women, complain that I didn't have enough play in the skin of my penis. They felt awkward and restricted trying to do anything with it. They also complained when their hands/jaws started to cramp and I had to console them by saying, "It's the thought that counts", then jerk off for the next 15 minutes so I could come.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! I didn't feel unsatisfied with any sex partner, even with the lack of foreskin.

Again, that's you and a great many men do feel dissatisfied. Google search "foreskin restoration" and you'll see pages upon pages of people that have unfulfilling or non-existent sex lives, which are made better through foreskin restoration.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! I haven't had any man or woman run screaming at the sight of my circumcised penis and weep that it is hideous. Even people from places where circumcising is rare haven't had an issue.

Neither have I, but honestly what a potential partner thinks shouldn't be an issue. If they can't get over what you have or don't have, that's their loss.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Circumcised men get the tingly excitement and stiffen when seeing things they find sexually stimulating.

As do I. Then I find it exceptionally annoying trying to adjust my penis to keep my urethra from getting irritated on the inside of my underwear. It's actually more annoying for me if it leads to a sexual encounter, because I know it's not that I wasn't horny. All the same, I've lost my erection over the course of sex more than I've had an orgasm.

NEWSFLASH!!!! Even circuumcised men can and do ooze precum as they think about sex.

Newsflash to you, I don't produce any. Sucks to be me.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! your own post betrays you when saying that there are different techniques. Yeah well guess what, circumcsed men have different techniques from each other and uncircumcised men have different techniques from each other, the same as penetrative sex and oral sex, everybody has their style and techique.
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Only the techniques I was referring to are ones that would not provide enough stimulation for a circumcised man to achieve orgasm, or are not possible on a circumcised man. For instance orgasm by lightly moving a three fingered grip along the bottom third of the penis. This does virtually nothing for a circed guy, but for someone that is intact it strokes the foreskin sleeve across the head. Or perhaps the guy that lightly rubs the inside of the foreskin to achieve orgasm, something the circumcised guy has no hope of duplicating. Even in past studies which were very pro-circ, it was noted the relatively small amount of effort uncut men need to put into masturbation. As I said, I see motion blur on one and not the other. If both are satisfied with the end result, that's great for them, but it doesn't change the amount of effort they put into it.

After that ridiculous study/poll which was made by you the other day where you eventually admit the poll is skewed in anticirc manner,

I did no such thing, I said that the possible responses were inadequete to cover every possible opinion. For instance, I didn't have an option for people that felt the study was somewhat convincing and wanted to see a followup. I didn't have an option for people who were unsure as to what exactly the study indicated. I didn't have an option for people that felt the techniques used in the study was flawed. I didn't have an option for people who felt the study was adequetely refuted by another study. What I did say was that it shouldn't have been a poll at all, I should have just asked for people's opinions.

and the study was itself skewed as much as you tried to deny it (even the sutdyy results admitted bias)

This is an example of you hearing exactly what you wanted to. You saw the word "bias" and stopped reading. What the study admitted to was the possibility of a "population bias". Meaning that the people that they tested might have had some sort of other unknown common factor between them which skewed the results. This is a common and necessary admission for many volunteer studies, because the volunteers are not being recommended from another source as meeting specific criteria; instead, volunteers were eliminated if they had any number of known issues which could compromise the results (drug/alcohol abuse, spinal cord injury, history of mental illness, diabetes, etc.). However, as they said, it would not affect the incredibly objective nature of the testing method. The testees had no way to influence the results along a certain line, and short of outright lying, neither did the testers.

I have come to the conclusion that you are ill informed perhaps having been fed hogwash and slanted tales since biirth.

My family is fairly pro-circumcision, with the exception of my mother, who feels guilty because I've voiced my misgivings about having had it done to me. I came to the conclusions I have reached on my own. No one fed me anything. Believe me, I would have liked to believed that I didn't lose anything as a result of being circumcised, but researching the studies on both sides and looking at my own personal experiences, I can't honestly say I believe that is the case.