Apple Charging $5 To Enter Stores

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I do like the idea of the faith-based firewall.

I suspect that all firewalls are faith-based; it's just rare for anyone to admit it.

Was it the Onion which had the report on the Hummel Space Telescope? It could supposedly resolve adorable little lederhosen-clad figurines in the outer fringes of the Clouds of Magellan.
 

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Exactly - I went to the Apple Store in Soho, as I was interested in purchasing an iMac, but I couldn't get close to a single computer, as they were all being used by people checking their e-mails, etc.


Oh yes! When I went to buy my laptop in the first place I went to the SoHo store as the Midtown one didn't exist yet. Pandemonium! And that was in the middle of a workday. I shudder to think what it's like on the weekends! LOL. Perhaps the story SHOULD be true, and should be upped to $10! A $10 cover is like a discount in this city! LOL They could make a system where yuo slide in cash or swipe a charge card and get a pass that can be turned in at the register toward a purchase, or at the exit for a full refund. I need to take my computer in for repairs, but the crowds are daunting.
 

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It's overrated. overpriced, to arragont and to much alike a PC to bother with the difference. If it weren't for OSx there would be no apparent difference.

this post made me laugh out loud, a classic example of the kind of denial mechanisms that set in when you buy mediocre crap. it's exactly BECAUSE of OSx that macs are superior. and it isn't just marketing - it's product design. apple products are simple but endlessly exciting and creatively inspiring to use.

i'm in a creative profession, have been using a mac since 1986, and i can't even begin to describe the benefits and opportunities that apple has afforded me, that i never would have had by using PCs and windows.

admittedly, the early professional applications weren't for the masses. but now they are - the creative tools they've spent years developing for consumers like imovie, iphoto and itunes are but an extension of the creative soul of this company. that's what the extra 20-30% in cost has always been about, and if you don't find the value in that, then yes a dull box for email, word and excel should do you just fine.

and i'm glad someone pointed out the erroneous post about viruses. as stated, macs may be vulnerable in the future, but there's never been one successful virus affect the mac OS so far. there's protection software, but that's just opportunistic software developers selling fear.
 

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I wouldn't buy a Mac if they paid me.

It's funny now that they really use the same hard drives, DVD drives and small parts on the board as PC's except for that one little hardware ASIC that lets you run Apple software. Apple is nothing but another PC with a pretty little apple on it now that it was inevitable that they change to Intel processors. They need windows to be compatable with other PC's and I just read last month that Apple had just released a a large fix for security flaws in Osx. Sounds like another software company right now scrambling to fix flaws in it's operating system.

It's overrated. overpriced, to arragont and to much alike a PC to bother with the difference. If it weren't for OSx there would be no apparent difference.

You and all the other Apple haters are funny, you dredge up old, discredited claims and present them as gospel to try and justify your dodgy broken down pc.
 

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Pray tell, on what grounds? Sharp practice, selling dodgy, goods making obscene amounts of money, poor taste in eyewear? Many of the world's businesses and businessmen would be locked up on those grounds. Come to think of it...
Well all this one guy owning the whole block started back in the 90's. Lets dont even go there. A mac is fine. Windows vista is fine once you get rid of the Firewall and open up all the ports that are closed. Vista is a memory hog and you have to strip it down to the bone. Once you do that its amazing. There is a third choice and people are running this sofware instead of windows and its free. Since you know so much about ''Your World'':eek: I wont even bother to say the name:wink:
 

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this post made me laugh out loud, a classic example of the kind of denial mechanisms that set in when you buy mediocre crap. it's exactly BECAUSE of OSx that macs are superior. and it isn't just marketing - it's product design. apple products are simple but endlessly exciting and creatively inspiring to use.

i'm in a creative profession, have been using a mac since 1986, and i can't even begin to describe the benefits and opportunities that apple has afforded me, that i never would have had by using PCs and windows.

admittedly, the early professional applications weren't for the masses. but now they are - the creative tools they've spent years developing for consumers like imovie, iphoto and itunes are but an extension of the creative soul of this company. that's what the extra 20-30% in cost has always been about, and if you don't find the value in that, then yes a dull box for email, word and excel should do you just fine.

and i'm glad someone pointed out the erroneous post about viruses. as stated, macs may be vulnerable in the future, but there's never been one successful virus affect the mac OS so far. there's protection software, but that's just opportunistic software developers selling fear.

You and all the other Apple haters are funny, you dredge up old, discredited claims and present them as gospel to try and justify your dodgy broken down pc.

Hmm, finally the Apple snobs rear their ugly heads.:rolleyes:
 

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In my field, Apple products aren't even in the running. Secretaries, managers, and high-school kids in summer co-op programs use Macs. The engineers use PCs.

I always specify my computers to board level, and get nice big tower cases so I have room to cram in my cages of hard drives. I've never even looked to see if I can do that in the Mac world. As a practical matter, Apple isn't an option.
 

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Well all this one guy owning the whole block started back in the 90's. Lets dont even go there. A mac is fine. Windows vista is fine once you get rid of the Firewall and open up all the ports that are closed. Vista is a memory hog and you have to strip it down to the bone. Once you do that its amazing. There is a third choice and people are running this sofware instead of windows and its free. Since you know so much about ''Your World'':eek: I wont even bother to say the name:wink:

I see, success in business is grounds for prison time now?

That's the second time you've said "let's not go there" on this topic. Is this perhaps because your view that the erstwhile Mr Gates should be in Sing Sing is based more on a dislike of some nature; of him personally or business in general, rather than as is generally required, a conviction for criminal activity?

Last time I checked "My World" was the same as yours, physically at least, though I'm not sure what realm of imaginary reality you inhabit within it based on some of the strange views you espouse here. See below.:tongue:

"Well all this one guy owning the whole block started back in the 90's. "

I often wonder where you get some of your 'facts' from. Gates set up shop in 1975, opened it's first internation office in 1978 and the first commercial version of Windows was released in 1985. BTW, Apple was founded in 1976, took an early lead but lost it with a few years, mostly due to disastrously protective business strategies.:rolleyes:

Opening up the firewall sounds like a 'sensible plan', provided of course you're happy to lose any semblence of control over the device and its content. Assuming of course you're not behind another firewall.

Running a correctly configured firewall has neglible effect on performance or behaviour. When you say strip Vista to the bone, what do you mean? I'm just curious.

Linux/Unix is not a mainstream product for desktop use in business, and does hardly better in the home (statistically). That's not some fanciful quirk from "my world", it's a simple reality. The reasons are many and varied, but mostly around usability, support and (less so these days) poor application and hardware support.

Being free clearly isn't sufficient compensation for other (perceived) deficiencies. That may change, but I don't see it happening soon.

To Uncut - I agree that MACs and PCs are both fine.

To others - I like and use both but prefer PC's. Mostly for practical, professional reasons not out of some sense of stupid brand loyalty or inane "they're simply better, so there" mentality.
 

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In my field, Apple products aren't even in the running. Secretaries, managers, and high-school kids in summer co-op programs use Macs. The engineers use PCs.

Same here, there are some old G3s around at some clients, they suck. Not because they're MACs, there are many reasons for their suckage. One client is road-testing Mac minis...cute for sure but I think the novelty of cuteness may wear off, then a critical analyis of fitness for purpose will begin.

I always specify my computers to board level, and get nice big tower cases so I have room to cram in my cages of hard drives. I've never even looked to see if I can do that in the Mac world. As a practical matter, Apple isn't an option.

Mac's are upgradable, but often (but not always) at higher cost, increased difficulty, and more limited software availability. Also, the physical design of some models, being led more by form than function often reduces expansion potential. The MAC Mini is a case in point, though to be fair the same can be said of any SFF or customised device of any heritage.
 

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PC= Personal Computer

Why does everyone say PC to mean any computer but Apple branded PC's?

There's a pretty good reason for that: PC does stand for "personal computer", but back in 1981, it was trademarked by IBM for their personal computer. Because IBM was such a huge player in the computer market at the time, other manufacturers emulated their computer.

They couldn't legally call their computers a "PC", but they could say their computers were "PC-compatible". Software publishers would advertise that their code works on any "PC-compatible" computer. After IBM stopped making computers called "PC"s, they lost their trademark protection, but the name stuck around for the family of clones left in its wake.
 

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In my field, Apple products aren't even in the running. Secretaries, managers, and high-school kids in summer co-op programs use Macs. The engineers use PCs.

I always specify my computers to board level, and get nice big tower cases so I have room to cram in my cages of hard drives. I've never even looked to see if I can do that in the Mac world. As a practical matter, Apple isn't an option.
Yes, that's been established, engineers usually prefer windows boxes. Graphic artists and other "creative professionals" usually prefer Macs. There's a reason for that, and it all goes back to pre-OSX operating systems. Apple had a lot of its algorithms on-chip, where Microsoft had most of those same types of algorithms in the operating system. It made a difference in the performance and "character" of the applications. It also allowed the Apple systems more flexibility on the desktop, especially with networks and storage devices. Windows has progressed with that, but not far enough. With the first Mac computers, you could add an additional hard drive without configuring IRQs, fiddling with drive letters, resetting dip switches, and rewriting the DOS system files. You just plugged it in, named it "My Drive" and used it as if it were a folder. Windows machines still don't really like it very much if you plug a jump drive into a different USB port.

Same here, there are some old G3s around at some clients, they suck. Not because they're MACs,
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The MAC Mini is a case in point, though to be fair the same can be said of any SFF or customised device of any heritage.
Careful of the difference between "MAC" and "Mac"...:biggrin1:

I'd rather use the $5 on refreshments at a movie theater rather than going in look at Apple's stuff, which I don't even own.
Um, right, did you read any posts here? That was a parody!
 

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Yes, that's been established, engineers usually prefer windows boxes. Graphic artists and other "creative professionals" usually prefer Macs. There's a reason for that, and it all goes back to pre-OSX operating systems. Apple had a lot of its algorithms on-chip, where Microsoft had most of those same types of algorithms in the operating system. It made a difference in the performance and "character" of the applications. It also allowed the Apple systems more flexibility on the desktop, especially with networks and storage devices. Windows has progressed with that, but not far enough.

PC's have progressed in other areas, especially managability. Still I've not had a lot of experience with OS X in a large networked environment so I'm probably behind the curve here. There were some neat features of OS 9.x that I liked that still don't really exist in the Windows environment, at least not out of the box.

With the first Mac computers, you could add an additional hard drive without configuring IRQs, fiddling with drive letters, resetting dip switches, and rewriting the DOS system files. You just plugged it in, named it "My Drive" and used it as if it were a folder. Windows machines still don't really like it very much if you plug a jump drive into a different USB port.

It's a bit irritating when they do that...see the same thing that was just inserted in USB A as something new when it's put into USB B.

Careful of the difference between "MAC" and "Mac"...:biggrin1:

Indeed...:smile: