Arab guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jew

[freyasworld]

It's genetic men lie!
get over it!

 

[maxcok]

It's genetic men lie!
get over it!

hmm . . . I think people egage in a lot of prevarication.

I don't think it's gender specific, and I'm pretty sure it's not genetic.

It may be true that men lie more in order to further sexual conquests and probably lie more after the fact.

On the other hand, I've known more than a few women who lie about their age, wear pushup bras, etc.

It's a slippery slope, ain't it?

In the case of the OP, I wouldn't be surprised to learn the woman twisted the facts after the event.

Of course I don't know that, but based on what I've read I think it's a fair assumption.

 

[freyasworld]

hmm . . . I think people egage in a lot of prevarication.

I don't think it's gender specific, and I'm pretty sure it's not genetic.

It may be true that men lie more in order to further sexual conquests and probably lie more after the fact.

On the other hand, I've known more than a few women who lie about their age, wear pushup bras, etc.

It's a slippery slope, ain't it?

In the case of the OP, I wouldn't be surprised to learn the woman twisted the facts after the event.

Of course I don't know that, but based on what I've read I think it's a fair assumption.

It's a woman's god given right to twist things after the event....deal with it, same way we have the right to always remember.....!

I think this could be a good thread...

so lies men tell....mmmm

of course I love you,
of course I'll still respect you,
I promise I won't cum in your mouth,
I have been told my cum tastes really good
i promise not to show these pictures to anyone else!
No your arse does not look big in that....

 

[maxcok]

^ Yes, it might be a good subject for a different thread.

Though it might be more interesting if you made it about the lies women tell vs. the lies men tell.

No doubt it will end up there soon enough anyway.

I'm a staunch feminist, btw. I often defer to women and grant them special consideration

in an attempt to 'level the playing field'.

Besides that, I really have nothing to add to my prior post.

Except to note that sexism cuts both ways. :wink:

 

[faceking]

Careful... easy... easy... as liberals we must be respectful of ALL cultures. Pass no judgement given how AWFUL Christianity is, and always will be. Imagine if she we was gay, too. Ouch.

Arab guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jew | World news | The Guardian
Arab guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jew

A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with a woman who had believed him to be a fellow Jew.
Sabbar Kashur, 30, was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Monday after the court ruled that he was guilty of rape by deception. According to the complaint filed by the woman with the Jerusalem district court, the two met in downtown Jerusalem in September 2008 where Kashur, an Arab from East Jerusalem, introduced himself as a Jewish bachelor seeking a serious relationship. The two then had consensual sex in a nearby building before Kashur left.

 

[maxcok]

Careful... easy... easy... as liberals we must be respectful of ALL cultures. Pass no judgement given how AWFUL Christianity is, and always will be. Imagine if she we was gay, too. Ouch.

I would ask you how you fail to see the irony in accusing anyone else of having a kneejerk, lockstep mindset,

but the concept of critical thinking is really lost on you, isn't it?

along with any understanding of nuance.

or thinking in general.

 

[B_TonyK8483]

If lying to women in order to get laid constituted rape, virtually every guy I know would either be a serial rapist or a virgin :-O

 

[B_crackoff]

This is another example of why intelligent people choose mostly not to engage in what passes for discussion here.

Yawn. Specious drivel. Is this why you make statements & do not discuss?:wink: You've not addressed the OP at all.

If you're discussing abstract definitions removed from pragmatic application, or if you're just an insufferable pedant, then yes, the meanings of the words are self-evident from their construction.

The point is proven then.

However, this thread discusses a specific prosecution, takes place in the context of modern society, and addresses a lay audience...where the terms in the vernacular carry certain implied meanings commonly understood amongst those using them.

Now that's just patronising.:biggrin1:

The only things you've materially demonstrated here are a penchant for pedantic obstinacy and a poor grasp of Latin declension.

Actually, t'was a case of Latin dissention caused by a surfeit of lamprey. Whilst English is a living language, Latin is dead, & I shall carve at it mercilessly.

I'd advise you to review the syntax & punctuation of paragraphs two & three. Try to be consistent with your application in the same piece of work.

B minus.

 

[B_crackoff]

You like to use the words "unlawful" and "illegal" precisely because they suggest that for someone to marry two persons of different religions or for two such persons to get married is against the law in Israel>

Nothing of the sort is the case, and you will not come out and say that, but you like to use language that will make precisely that false suggestion to people.

It's unlawful. Again, you ignore the UN resolutions.

Going by the article in Wikipedia that you cited earlier, I can find no basis for any such claim. What do you even mean by saying that the children "are not recognized"? That they are not legally recognized as the children of their mother and father? That is ridiculous, and has no relation to any facts of which I am aware. If you are basing your claim on the law on mamzerim, you have completely misunderstood and misrepresented it.

They are not legal children under halakha. The parents union is not recognized by the Orthodox faith, so therefore they cannot marry there either. I never said that secularly they weren't legitimate.

Wrong again. There is no law in Israel against Reform Jews marrying.

I haven't said that. THERE IS NO LAW THAT PERMITS INTERMARRIAGE IN ISRAEL. THERE IS NO LAW THAT PERMITS THE REFORM JEWISH TO MARRY.

Any attempted union is not recognised. It is outside the law.

It is obvious that you care less about stating facts accurately than you care about making Israel look as bad as possible, even if it means playing fast and loose with the facts.

Ah, I see: you reason that the law COULD develop in such a way as to license the prosecution of Reform rabbis who performed marriages, and therefore it IS a prosecutable offense. Something COULD be made illegal, therefore it IS illegal. That is ridiculously feeble argument.

Hardly, as I said IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID TO CONTRIVE THESE CASES TO BEGIN WITH(DUH!):biggrin1:. there was no law passed by the Knesset, only a judicial precedent.

A judicial precedent could also overturn the interfaith embargo.

I'd advise you all to discover the origins & connations "that outside of the law" have.

I find your apologist defence of this policy outrageous, illiberal, & incredible, being as that contemporaneously, such measures are being increased, not relaxed.

Other than that, we'll just have to agree to disagree

 

[Calboner]

I find your apologist defence of this policy outrageous, illiberal, & incredible, being as that contemporaneously, such measures are being increased, not relaxed.

Which policy? Of what policy have I offered an "apologist defense"? (And how is an "apologist defense" supposed to differ from a mere defense?) What I have been trying to do is to distinguish the actual law in Israel from your misrepresentations of it.

Being as that apologist defense is contemporaneously outrageous, illiberal, and incredible!

 

[sbat]

I wonder how this affects her marriage prospects