Are attitudes to size changing?

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I left things open for interpretation for a reason and big things being better wasn't really my angle there.

You are free to challenge my believes but not my person, I'll give you another shot to actually talk about what I said before I report you.

It's funny how you say size isn't important but have used two descriptions of size to insult me.
No, big things being better was exactly your angle.

In fact your defensiveness screams insecure (as LGX pointed out)

And report me for what? Not agree with you, or calling you a douche? Telling you to fuck off? Wait did I tell you to fuck off? If not then please fuck off.

Your hostility and contempt for people is pretty obvious. Had you phrased things differently, say, gad you said that society on the whle is becoming to PC, and we are all skewing towards being oversensitive, fun. But your verbiage was so incredibly snide and insulting, that any point you were attempting to make was lost.

Your implication and flat out assertion that we all want bigger, is flawed. Some people do. Soe don't. Making broad generalizations is dangerous.
 

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You know, I would also point out that your two thoughts, about a " less valued peron bringing down a more valued person" when combined with your "oh we are just trying to save the feelings of average to small endowed men" can be interpretd as you sayng that if you are not hung, you are intrinsically of less value.

Which, really, is a pretty shallow thought.

Just sayin.

This doesn't mean that i am saying that people who like larger anything (be it houses or penises) are flawed or should settle for something they do not want or crave. i am saying that the thought process of bringing one down to elevate the other is insane and repugnant.

This site, for example. I like lpsg. I have issues though with people who, in supporting larger cocks, feel the need o tear down those without them. We can celebrate the endowed without disparaging the unendowed. People who cannot do that are stunted excuse of human beings.
 

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It used to be that women would be regarded as total sluts if they voiced a preference for big cocks.

Now, thankfully, it is much more accepted for women to discuss what turns them on sexually.
 

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If you watch porn today all you see are ads for making your cock bigger - so I'm not sure the direction society is trending towards.

I think this makes it the clear. The problem is that, sure women are becoming more open about not liking bigger cocks, prefering average ones etc. but, since most guys only exposure to sex before they do it tends to be porn consisting entirely of guys with gigantic dicks and woman going on about how its so big and bigger is better etc., it's not surprising that the whole 'bigger is better' thing is becoming more of an obsession for men. I mean, before the advent of the internet most people probably never watched anyone else actually having sex and so would have nearly no idea about what the average size was or anything like that.

I'm not saying that the internet is causing the problem just that it's prolonging it and making it harder to deal with. Not to mention the fact that the majority of guys are unlikely to ever experience or even consider any of the downsides to having a big cock and, since they're rarely shown in porn, then having a big dick just seems like the best thing for sex to most guys.
 

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In ancient Greece, big penises were considered gross and beastly. Hence why all statues had tiny ones on them. So big cocks aren't inherently prefered by humans at large. It's mostly a cultural thing.

And while that whitemonster dude was being a doucher, he did make a point somewhere in that douchbaggery. The modern west has this 'everybody's a winner' attitude, where society goes through great lengths to make everyone feel good about themselves (especially in America where everyone gets a prize, even those who lost).

I'm not saying that having a big penis makes you a 'winner', but that's largely still the public perception and I think the media is responding now by including 'average sized guys'. It's a good thing.
 

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If anything, that which is deemed an acceptable comment in the general media has been expanded to include digs based on size, so I wouldn't say attitudes have changed in a positive way in general.

What may have changed is the education of the individual who has learned the falsity of stereotyping and the truth about female preferences, i.e., that women are not nearly as impressed with big dicks as men are.

What I have noticed about discussions, whether here or on other forums, is the tendency to categorize everything into one of two sizes--big or small, with anything not considered big to be considered small, when in truth "average" covers probably 70% of all men, with average coming in at 5-6 inches. Average is neither big nor small. It is "average."

Whatever is not large is denigrated as small. This is probably just a continuation of the male obsession with penis-power, but for those of us who have been around the block, it is tiresome, if we give it any thought.

My male self-esteem in the sex department is based on my ability to give sexual pleasure to my wife. My dick is big enough to do the job, so that ends my concerns in the size department. Is it a humongous, throbbing baton of man-meat so large that she gasps when she sees it? Is it a monster cock? Uh, no. It's a handy and serviceable 6X6. As one of many tools in my arsenal of creativity it performs its function.

Instead of obsessing about my body I focus on what she wants/needs at the moment and what I can do to make it happen.
 

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The whole large-small thing with no middle ground is actually a common thing people do. With height for example people are usually tall or short and weight is usually fat or thin. There's also rich or poor, happy or sad, bored or excited etc. All of those have a middle ground which people hardly ever seem to use, to the point where I've met people who simply don't seem to understand the concept, although arguably they were complete morons anyway.
 

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I don't think attempts to make massive amounts of dough by making men insecure about size can count. Before the internet, it wasn't possible to advertise to everyone discreetly, and I mean EVERYONE. Even I get penis enlargement spam! That's just greed. It has nothing to do with societal views, except the one that they have attempted to create. Maybe they succeeded and ya'll are just victims of that the way women have been victims of advertising aimed at making us insecure about our skin tone and wrinkles and fat and butts and waists and hair and and and... We're inundated with these messages that our bodies aren't good enough because those companies want to bilk us of money, and it works! It makes us insecure and we spend billions! Perhaps it worked just as well on men, too?
 
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I don't think attempts to make massive amounts of dough by making men insecure about size can count. Before the internet, it wasn't possible to advertise to everyone discreetly, and I mean EVERYONE. Even I get penis enlargement spam! That's just greed. It has nothing to do with societal views, except the one that they have attempted to create. Maybe they succeeded and ya'll are just victims of that the way women have been victims of advertising aimed at making us insecure about our skin tone and wrinkles and fat and butts and waists and hair and and and... We're inundated with these messages that our bodies aren't good enough because those companies want to bilk us of money, and it works! Perhaps it worked just as well on men, too?

Of course it did. Guys obsess over having bodies covered in rippling muscles and looking like movie/porn stars too. There's just less of it around, maybe because the women ideal body is marketed at everybody but the male ideal is mostly marketed at men so it's not as ubiquitous in everyday life.

On a related note I've never recieved spam mail for anything at all. Which I;ve always thought is a little odd since I thought it was supposed to be something to do with how many/which porn sites you visit and stuff.
 
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Of course it did. Guys obsess over having bodies covered in rippling muscles and looking like movie/porn stars too. There's just less of it around, maybe because the women ideal body is marketed at everybody but the male ideal is mostly marketed at men so it's not as ubiquitous in everyday life.

That was meant as a rhetorical question. I meant to imply that I think the answer is yes.
 

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I don't think it's about size any more because people are just more aware that a penis exists. I've had several instances where my penis has unintentionally been seen by other girls, who were first impressed by the size, but, over time, cared less about how big it was over the fact that they were actually getting a nice climax from their own partner. It seems to me that only virgins and size-queens genuinely believe bigger is better -- it's when a person, boy or girl (unless she's a queen), finally has sex, good, passionate sex, that they realize that size isn't everything.
 

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Even I get penis enlargement spam! ?

My wife has also complained to me about getting tired of spam to "make her penis bigger!"

What I have definitely noticed though is more radio and TV ads for penis enlargement products. E-mails are a given, and the sports pages of newspapers have always contained such ads. The use of radio (satellite and broadcast) and TV infomercials are a more recent development it seems.

The first rule of advertising is to create a perceived need for the product. Then you claim to have the product to remove the anxiety of not having it. Whether it's bad breath, varicose veins, being overweight, or having a too small willie, the same methods are used.
 

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I don't think it's about size any more because people are just more aware that a penis exists. I've had several instances where my penis has unintentionally been seen by other girls, who were first impressed by the size, but, over time, cared less about how big it was over the fact that they were actually getting a nice climax from their own partner. It seems to me that only virgins and size-queens genuinely believe bigger is better -- it's when a person, boy or girl (unless she's a queen), finally has sex, good, passionate sex, that they realize that size isn't everything.

People becoming aware that a penis exists of course marks a tectonic change in human consciousness.
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You take the broad view.
 

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People becoming aware that a penis exists of course marks a tectonic change in human consciousness.
I like you.
You take the broad view.

Well, it's true. My perspective on Jesus changed when I realize he had a penis, and probably had erections for no reason. I would imagine that society would change as a whole as penises become less and less risque, especially with what we have on television (even though I think that Hung and RJ Berger is crap).
 

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size is everything
men want the biggest dick they can support on their bodies
women want the biggest bank account they can snatch, they dont give a fuck about dick size

Wrong....

Women want a nice guy who notice them even when sex is not imminent...