Are Black people more Racist Than Caucasians?

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  1. Dooky

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    and it is deemed acceptable for a black man to be racist because of our nations past? I find it sad that some black people are even brought up by their parents still believing this. perhaps it's just the media playing tricks on me? I have hung out with black people before many times and i get that blame-it-on-the-honkey mentality.

    now I understand this is not a 100% stereotype glove-fit. there are exceptions obviously. but has the word racist morphed into a word designed for white people who are intolerant of other cultures? If you do not understand what I'm saying, basically how most words start out non-pejorative and turn pejorative such as gay, bitch, fag, etc.

    Please respond with your opinion no matter what your race is!

    And please don't even TRY to give me shit about not using the term african-american. you'll just be proving my point furthermore.
     
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    Inanswer to your Title's question, NO...I think you're painting groups of people in way too big strokes.
     
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    Shouldn't this thread be moved?
     
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    It amazes me when I see posts starting with "As a black woman............" "A black man/woman wouldn't put up with.................." :rolleyes:

    Race shouldn't and need not come into a reference to a person. All are people. End of.
     
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    I don´t know. I have never been in the USA, so I don´t know how the situation is overthere. But I have the feeling, looking from outside, that the relation between black and white people is historically quite tense and still not what it should be.

    Im my country, Denmark, it is not a big problem, because the only real racism you see here is between muslims and protestants (not related to race, but more to religion). I have seen very few people who were racists towards black people and I myself as white have not really noticed black people being racists towards me.

    But historically white people have threated black people like shit, so I can somehow understand if some black people are still a little sceptical towards white people, because historically they have all reasons to be!

    I personally don´t care if a man is white or black, I try always to meet people with open mind, whatever their background is.
     
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    Exactly GD. With the exception of one or two I've never met anyone from here and their background does not interest me. I take what I need from their posts and 99.99% of times their race does not cross my mind unless they make a point about it.
     
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    I love you for thinking that way, Davey - and from my own pov that is true, or can be.

    However, we are all in part made up of the treatment we receive in society and as long as society sees black and white as different (which it undeniably does) then there is a least a somewhat valid reason for differentiating between a black experience and a white experience. Each individual does have his/her own unique experience, but race is invariably (unfortunately) part of that. I wish it weren't so.

    As a foreigner in France who started out with only the rudiments of the language I receive different treatment. I shouldn't, but I do. Sometimes it is positive, sometimes negative and sometimes I'm not entirely sure which it is, but it is discrimination (in the true sense of the word). It's not racial discrimination - having never been in a situation where I was in the racial minority I can't claim to know what that feels like. And I'm using that example mainly because I know Davey is in a similar situaion.
     
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    So true but change has to start from within everyone. I'll give an example below.



    There are many Brits around me here in Tenerife who live in their own conclaves and moan about being discriminated against. Yeah I live in a mainly British area but have learned to speak Spanish pretty well. I never ask them to speak English. I don;t see myself as an outside but a resident the same as the locals. Because of that I am mostly treated as so.

    Not long ago I was in a cafe ordering coffees when a British guy stood next to me made an order in English. None of the staff could speak English so I ordered for him. He thanked me and and said" You would think they would know some basic English" I replied "Why the fuck should they it's Spain. You should at least be able to order yourself a coffee"

    You have to see yourself as equal cos no-one else will even start to unless you do.
     
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    It's not the wrappings but what inside that matters!

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    My experience is similar now, it was somewhat different when I started out here. Knowing the language certainly helps. I have also heard that, generally speaking, the Spanish are far more forgiving of their language being slaughtered than the French.

    That happens here too - a lot.

    Yes - absolutely. And as white Europeans in predominantly white European countries that is very easy for us. For the most part no one knows I'm Irish until I open my mouth. That's not what a black person experiences. Yes, we should all view ourselves as equal, because we are, but I can't blame people for reacting to being consistantly treated as less-than. We're only human.
     
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    Story: Group A is in power and treats Group B badly and unfairly for hundreds of years. Group B is angry for generations. Some members of Group A then say, "Look, they are behaving worse then we are."
     
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    I find it interesting that racism has come to mean "white person being unfair about another person's race" and it seems like it's almost a racist meaning in itself like "it's not fair for us, obviously superior whites, to point out that we're better than everyone else". Which is ironic. :rolleyes:

    Of course the idea behind the word is discrimination based on race, so the worlds "cracker" or "honkey" should be considered just as racist as the word "nigger" IMHO. Of course this isn't really the case, but that's because there's a fairly long history behind the "n-word", and it's a very unpleasant history that has some frankly shocking-through-modern-eyes actions from all parties involved.

    Funnily enough I think it's silly to try and pretend that we're all exactly the same and race is utterly irrelevant, not because I view any racial group as better than any other, but because race and cultural history are strongly linked. I don't think we should homogenise humanity for the sake of stamping out racism, because in ignoring racial differences we can end up ignoring cultural ones as well, which is stamping out culture.

    Of course cultural history and race are actually distinct, one of my buddies is south American by birth but was brought up by British people in France and the UK, so his cultural background is entirely European. But in general race and cultural history have strong ties.

    But I digress, and I'd like to make a point about racism and culture - I think that everyone is racist on some level. Now I say that because of something that was pointed out to me recently and that is that if there's very low immigration, people tend to be very welcome towards foreigners, but as immigration rises, that welcome starts running out. You may not be aware of British politics, or Scottish politics, but the United Kingdom (quick political lesson UK = England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, plus a few territories you've never heard of), there is a political party called the BNP, the British National Party. The BNP are Nationalists, bordering on being Nazi, and for a long time they were what we'd call "right wing nutters". However, recently immigration to the UK has risen pretty dramatically, and we've found ourselves in the position that bits of the USA are in where a lot of the menial, low paid jobs are taken by foreigners (usually Indian or Polish). Suddenly, the usually very culturally diverse UK which is very welcoming to guests, has started turning a bit nasty. People are worried, we have a recession and suddenly everyone is talking about 'those foreigners who took our jobs', and the BNP have started gaining a lot of votes as people protest against this perceived immigrant threat.

    My point is that people tend to be tolerant of other cultures as long as they don't decide to set up shop over here in "our" culture.

    By the way, I suspend judgement on the issue due to my views on politics.
     
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    My heart cries when I think of all the poor little keystrokes that had to die for this thread...
     
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    It has nothing to do with ethnic affiliation nor colour; it does have to do with economics and education. Even Sarah Pallin uses the old left wing rhetoric of class politics in her peculiar new book - saying that when the educated elites criticise her they are actually criticising the mores and lifestyle of working Americans. Some Republicans will do anything for a vote.
    I am European and I visit the US, yes I experience more bad manners and racism of a kind from African Americans and Asian Americans. But as a very well mannered elderly black man, who spoke impeccable English (without slang, inflection, or purposeful bad grammar) - he was an AMTRAK employee - most black people are intimidated by European accents and feel, for whatever, reason they have to retaliate. True, probably learned from their parents. 99.9% of British peoples ancestors were not involved in the slave trade. During the American civil war, mill workers in Manchester, UK refused to weave Confederate cotton and the establishment locked them out of the mills. Their children died in their hundreds of starvation. No monuments or requests for compensation from their brothers and sisters descendants.
    If you make yourself a victim because of history your life will be sad, miserable, bitter. Stop being a Pharasee and try being a Samaritan be you black, white, or claim no colour. Pride always goes before a fall.
     
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    Many people - globally, create a chip on their shoulder by rummaging through their social heritage with the intent of some sort of ax to grind and often, sometimes wrongly, using race to deflect attention from their ignorance, stupidity and laziness.

    I find that often the ones with the racist attitudes and chips are the laziest and least educated, which is not to say racism isn't very much alive, but in the circle of people I choose associations with, it would be discussed intelligently and not used as a deflection for personal accountability.
     
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    There is no doubt about it --black people in general are more racist than white people--but most of them don't even know it--they will only vote for blacks even if they know the white person is better qualified-period ...................................................................................................
     
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    I know that some black peeps (African-Americans) are racist. My lesbian sister can be really shitty...I really don't know what her problem and why she is the way she is.

    There was a time when my rich sister used to be Afrocentric but now she is all Cat Stevens' Peace Train. I think that you can be the spawn of Satan and be right as rain with it.

    But there were times when racism and prejudice ruled and media manipulated. Americans are creatures of habit. When a bit of change happens like a having an African-American president throws the status quo out of equilibrium (especially out of the whole Presidential electorial progression we are just now having an African-American president?)...? people color him "socialist" :rolleyes: because they really couldn't call him an "NI663r" in public and call it a day. Then, again...racism like any other prejudice can be totally under the radar.
     
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    Well to tell you the truth its all in the way the person feels about one another and i think some people no matter what are walking around with stuck up mind about there selfs.Me and my girlfriend are a black and white couple and when i met her she was the sweetest person you could meet .heres a nice pic of us :wink:
     

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    The word is "bigot" folks, not racist. Yes, there are many black people who are quite intolerant of others. But then this trait isnt relegated to anyone group. It is part of the human condition. One of many flaws we have to work towards over coming world wide. But as long as there are people and there is selfishness, we may have to work on it for a while.
     
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    Black people may be more vocal about expressing grievances - past or present - but their behavior is not more "racist" than Whites.

    Let's focus the lens on inclusivity vs. exclusivity, and then we can talk more accurately about racism.

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    The bigger social problem that we face today, as many people have alluded to earlier, is socio-economic disparity. The Us hasn't been as unequal in economic terms as it is now since the time of the Robber Barons. This is our biggest threat as a society.

     
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