Are "brojobs" more common than we think????

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You really need to learn to read. That is clearly taken out of context. That was excerpted from a paragraph wherein I was discussing the findings I made while looking through previous lpsg discussion threads on this topic - NOT THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Again, if you're going to criticize me, please keep to the facts.

I know that, and I didn't even remove the context. It doesn't change anything. You are comparing what you've learned about straight guys on this site (again, ignoring everyone who didn't express feelings that matched those you were looking for) to what your brother told you, making a more general point to support your assumption about this being much more common than even you would think (whatever the hell that means). Of course you cannot gain access to the thoughts of every single individual in the world. It is very clear you're using the Internet, as in this site, to make general assumptions about the commonness of straight men receiving blowjobs from gay men.

This topic of discussion is so freaking tiresome. All day, every day on this site, someone, anyone, will try to convince people that straight men think sex is just "fun and games" and that straight men will welcome blowjobs from anyone if they're just horny enough. It's a fantasy, for fuck's sake. Of course it happens, and probably a lot, especially for bisexual men who are free to do so. But stop putting this insane spin on things, trying to prove that men are Neanderthals who can't function without either giving or receiving blowjobs. And stop making your fantasies and desires about everyone else. You want a blowjob from a man. Again, go get one and let this whole thing die, please.

You are literally the last in a line of one hundred fucking million people who have written the exact same thing on this site. I don't care one bit if you believe these things to be true, I don't care if these things are in fact true. The topic is just sooo booooooooring.
 

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Okay, I will write one reply in an attempt to make my point painstakingly obvious.

I hate the terminology that people who make these threads always use. They always talk about how sex is just sex, how a sufficient degree of horniness will eventually lead to same sex intercourse of some kind, how people should stop worrying about what others think, how in other cultures men can receive oral sex without being considered gay, how society as a whole is oblivious to the fluidity of sexuality and obsessed with labeling people. Which would be fine were it not for these threads being so obviously about a gay vs. straight stigma of sorts. It's always about how men can be on the receiving end of a blowjob or the giving end of anal sex and still be straight. Well, if you're so against labels, then why not drop this terminology? Why this obsession with staying straight if all the labels are meaningless anyway? The whole thing reeks of insecurity and it's counterproductive if you want to get rid of stereotypes. And I don't know if people really just want reassurance and end up sinking into a swamp of nonsense because they so desperately try to justify their own desires, or if they have just misunderstood the entire thing, but people need to calm the fuck down and look at it from another perspective.

When men who identify as straight receive blowjobs from gay men, it's not because they can't function without blowjobs. It's not because their horniness becomes so overwhelming that there's no other way. People are more than capable of going an entire life without sex without murdering people or going insane. When men receive blowjobs from other men, it's because they like receiving blowjobs from other men. When men are intrigued by the thought of receiving blowjobs from other men, it's because they like the thought of receiving a blowjob from other men. As simple as that. Does that mean that I think they are gay? Who cares... Does it mean that they should consider themselves gay? Who cares... Does it mean that these men are in fact gay? Who the heck cares? It means that they are men who like to receive blowjobs from other men, and that's it. Does it make them good? No. Does it make them bad? No. It makes them people are willing to live out their sexual desires. And ain't nothing wrong with that, as long as no one gets hurt.

Blowjobs are not something men need on the same level as water and food. The need of a blowjob is not something that takes over your personality to a degree where you're willing to completely compromise or reverse your wants and desires in order to get one. There's no reason to pretend that it is in order to explain desires that are completely natural and harmless. It only works to cement the cultural stigmas surrounding homosexual desires, the idea that they are something to be either repressed of justified by assuring yourself that they wont change your status as "straight"...

Straight or gay... who effin fucking freakin cares...
 

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I wasn't trying to really convince anyone of anything when starting this thread. Moreover, I suspect that most of the people who you're a bit paranoid about weren't either. I thought that perhaps I would luck out and have one of the threads where certain people don't get on a stage and become tiresome, but that was not to be.

Do I think that guys engage in this far more commonly than society recognizes? Yes. Why? For a boatload of reasons, some of them from personal experience, and some from scientific study. Sexual researchers (who are actual scientists who do statistical analysis, FMRIs, blood work, etc.), from Kinsey on, are pretty much unanimous in their opinion that humans are not binary in their sexuality and exist on a scale, most (and in this case I do mean the general population) exist somewhere in the middle - mostly heterosexual but certainly not exclusively. Researchers seem to look at people in Western society, shake their heads, and tell us that most of us are fooling ourselves, that what goes through the minds of most of us (consciously or not), how our genitals respond to stimuli, and even how we actually behave, varies quite considerably from what we tell ourselves is reality.

Their research is even backed up by infectious disease research. There were a number of epidemiology studies done on the transmission of certain diseases several years ago, and the numbers clearly showed that a lot more straight-identifying men had to be engaging in anal sex with each other, or with gay men, than self-reported. The math just didn't work without that in the picture. If memory serves, subsequent sociological investigation of this phenomenon is actually where the idea of guys "being on the DL" came into the public consciousness. When those studies came out, it wall all over Oprah and the like. Well, I think that most of us would agree that anal sex crosses a line. It's a line that many/most heterosexuals don't even cross with their partners. So if more guys are doing that than reported, I think that you can be sure that oral sex would be happening at an order of magnitude more widely. I think they have done studies in the black, and I think hispanic communities about this, and they did indeed find a ton more m/m contact going on than society would tend to expect.

You can also look at cultures where there aren't any, or at least substantial, prohibitions against same sex contact, and the bahaviors observed and/or reported parallel what sexual researchers tell us about the nature of sexuality. Take the classic example of ancient Greece. Though it was somewhat different for women, men were largely free to do as they wished. One's sexual preoccupations in no way impacted on his virtue, so no one had any problems at all with same sex contact. There weren't even words for gay and straight. How did people behave? Most, and yes I do mean the general public, engaged in same sex contact to various extents (though the receptive partner did sometimes experience some degree of derision, but it wasn't significant). A few were strictly "straight" in their behavior, some strictly "gay" (like Plato), but most fell along the gradient that sexual researchers indicate is the natural state of sexuality.

Given all this, and more, I think that it would be hard to imagine that this isn't going on a lot more than SOME in society would like to accept. In fact, it's been PROVEN to be the case. Some people stamp their feet and say that it's just not happening because guys just aren't like that, but they're actually the ones without any proof. It's the same mindset as people who claim that global warming isn't happening, despite what the scientists say, because when they look out their window in the winter, they still see snow. Given that this behavior IS happening, my question is more to frequency and how acceptable it is viewed as being in a world with relatively rapidly evolving sexual mores. That's what I was hoping to get some insight into here, but I'm having much more luck on forums devoted the investigation of sexuality.
 

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I wasn't trying to really convince anyone of anything when starting this thread. Moreover, I suspect that most of the people who you're a bit paranoid about weren't either. I thought that perhaps I would luck out and have one of the threads where certain people don't get on a stage and become tiresome, but that was not to be.

Do I think that guys engage in this far more commonly than society recognizes? Yes. Why? For a boatload of reasons, some of them from personal experience, and some from scientific study. Sexual researchers (who are actual scientists who do statistical analysis, FMRIs, blood work, etc.), from Kinsey on, are pretty much unanimous in their opinion that humans are not binary in their sexuality and exist on a scale, most (and in this case I do mean the general population) exist somewhere in the middle - mostly heterosexual but certainly not exclusively. Researchers seem to look at people in Western society, shake their heads, and tell us that most of us are fooling ourselves, that what goes through the minds of most of us (consciously or not), how our genitals respond to stimuli, and even how we actually behave, varies quite considerably from what we tell ourselves is reality.

Their research is even backed up by infectious disease research. There were a number of epidemiology studies done on the transmission of certain diseases several years ago, and the numbers clearly showed that a lot more straight-identifying men had to be engaging in anal sex with each other, or with gay men, than self-reported. The math just didn't work without that in the picture. If memory serves, subsequent sociological investigation of this phenomenon is actually where the idea of guys "being on the DL" came into the public consciousness. When those studies came out, it wall all over Oprah and the like. Well, I think that most of us would agree that anal sex crosses a line. It's a line that many/most heterosexuals don't even cross with their partners. So if more guys are doing that than reported, I think that you can be sure that oral sex would be happening at an order of magnitude more widely. I think they have done studies in the black, and I think hispanic communities about this, and they did indeed find a ton more m/m contact going on than society would tend to expect.

You can also look at cultures where there aren't any, or at least substantial, prohibitions against same sex contact, and the bahaviors observed and/or reported parallel what sexual researchers tell us about the nature of sexuality. Take the classic example of ancient Greece. Though it was somewhat different for women, men were largely free to do as they wished. One's sexual preoccupations in no way impacted on his virtue, so no one had any problems at all with same sex contact. There weren't even words for gay and straight. How did people behave? Most, and yes I do mean the general public, engaged in same sex contact to various extents (though the receptive partner did sometimes experience some degree of derision, but it wasn't significant). A few were strictly "straight" in their behavior, some strictly "gay" (like Plato), but most fell along the gradient that sexual researchers indicate is the natural state of sexuality.

Given all this, and more, I think that it would be hard to imagine that this isn't going on a lot more than SOME in society would like to accept. In fact, it's been PROVEN to be the case. Some people stamp their feet and say that it's just not happening because guys just aren't like that, but they're actually the ones without any proof. It's the same mindset as people who claim that global warming isn't happening, despite what the scientists say, because when they look out their window in the winter, they still see snow. Given that this behavior IS happening, my question is more to frequency and how acceptable it is viewed as being in a world with relatively rapidly evolving sexual mores. That's what I was hoping to get some insight into here, but I'm having much more luck on forums devoted the investigation of sexuality.
Any amount of information can be manipulated to favor a given result. Instead of reading and quoting lets just start with the facts we can gather here in our own back yard. I see you identify as 99:1, so would it be a safe assumption that that if we were buddies that I could expect a lil extra attention from you about once every 100 days? Have you in fact ever experienced any of this extra "bro" lovin in your life? If not... Why not? Would you if the opportunity presented itself?
 

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On the original topic:
Yes, I think "brojobs" and same-sex experiences are much more common than people realize or discuss. Such same-sex experiences are kept secret because they are taboo to some extent, especially for straight men. It is kind of like how homosexuality was hidden until relatively recently (the past 40 years or so, at least in the USA); it definitely existed, but it was often secret.

As far as how common it is, OKCupid's blog has some interesting data. Here's a snippet:

"we asked 252,900 straight people have you ever had a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex?

Yes and I enjoyed myself: 17%
Yes, and I didn't enjoy myself: 6%
No, but I would like to: 11%
No, and I would never: 66%"
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/gay-sex-vs-straight-sex/

And all this is driven by culture; liberal US states report more gay curiosity compared to conservative states, which is not surprising.
 
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K, for me, mostly online polls and such aren't really reliable and should usually be discarded. I mean, the Ashley Madison thing was pretty instructive if you didn't already know about about things. I think it was 36M users with 12,000 actually being female. There was clearly a lot of cat fishing going on. Though I find all this stuff interesting, I prefer science where people's actual behavior and responses can be recorded. If you think you're 100% straight, but when shown m/m porn, and your brain's erotic centers start lighting up, your hormones start kicking, and blood flow increases to your dick (they actually have a blood pressure sleeve for that), guess what. You're not as straight as you think you are. You may not get a rager, you may not fantasize about such things, but you're not 100% straight. And then there's lots of guys who do fantasize about such things, but still consider themselves straight. Sex, and self identity, are complex things.

E, never done anything with a guy but I have the 1% there just in case. As to why I haven't, don't have the time to write that out right now.

Btw, you know what I find fascinating? I've had messages come in from a few guys supporting me, some even saying that they do this kind of thing, some even on the receiving end, but don't want to post openly, presumably because they're defending their reputation. If people can't even be upfront about such matters in a place where we really don't even know each other, how direct do you think people who you actually know would be?
 
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K, for me, mostly online polls and such aren't really reliable and should usually be discarded. I mean, the Ashley Madison thing was pretty instructive if you didn't already know about about things. I think it was 36M users with 12,000 actually being female. There was clearly a lot of cat fishing going on. Though I find all this stuff interesting, I prefer science where people's actual behavior and responses can be recorded. If you think you're 100% straight, but when shown m/m porn, and your brain's erotic centers start lighting up, your hormones start kicking, and blood flow increases to your dick (they actually have a blood pressure sleeve for that), guess what. You're not as straight as you think you are. You may not get a rager, you may not fantasize about such things, but you're not 100% straight. And then there's lots of guys who do fantasize about such things, but still consider themselves straight. Sex, and self identity, are complex things.

E, never done anything with a guy but I have the 1% there just in case. As to why I haven't, don't have the time to write that out right now.

Btw, you know what I find fascinating? I've had messages come in from a few guys supporting me, some even saying that they do this kind of thing, some even on the receiving end, but don't want to post openly, presumably because they're defending their reputation. If people can't even be upfront about such matters in a place where we really don't even know each other, how direct do you think people who you actually know would be?
Douggie.... Its not about sides... This is a place to talk to and learn about others... No generalization need.... Ask questions and learn.... We are all different and that alone is pretty amazing
 
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These epic long posts are astounding. Here's (another) gay man's pov. If you like being with a man (orally, anally, etc.) own it. Don't justify it, defend it, rationalize it, biblicize it. Polls and numbers and all that crap. I'm gay - I love men, love being - kissing - holding - touching - etc. men. I embrace and celebrate my homosexuality - in short, I LOVE being gay. If you spend your entire life justifying yourself and holding the extensiveness of your feelings for another man up to some standard then you will be sadly left unsatisfied. It's ok to admit it if you like being with another man if that's how you feel. Don't sit on this site writing paragraph after paragraph trying to convince the world you are straight when in reality you like to suck a cock - REALLY - and like to kiss a man - REALLY. It's ok. You're not the first and you won't be the last.
 

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Hvdude, if your post was directed at me, either you don't know how to read or your the type of person that thinks if a guy is considering getting blown by another guy, he's absolutely gay and wants to suck cock himself. Sort of a leap. One that most of the guys on lpsg who have gone this route don't pursue.

Btw, anyone else find some irony in my having to defend the non-binary state of human sexuality on a site which is basically devoted to guys, many labeling themselves as 99-100% straight, who like to display, view, and talk about big cocks? I'm sure every one of them has a detailed explanation of why that's not the least bit gay, and I'm sure that Hvdude is convinced that each and every one of them is a flaming homosexual, but isn't there something in the middle? Sort of my point.
 

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Hvdude, if your post was directed at me, either you don't know how to read or your the type of person that thinks if a guy is considering getting blown by another guy, he's absolutely gay and wants to suck cock himself. Sort of a leap. One that most of the guys on lpsg who have gone this route don't pursue.

Btw, anyone else find some irony in my having to defend the non-binary state of human sexuality on a site which is basically devoted to guys, many labeling themselves as 99-100% straight, who like to display, view, and talk about big cocks? I'm sure every one of them has a detailed explanation of why that's not the least bit gay, and I'm sure that Hvdude is convinced that each and every one of them is a flaming homosexual, but isn't there something in the middle? Sort of my point.

You can be turned on by another dude's big cock or hot muscle ass and not be full-on gay, or even bi. I'm being serious. Sure, you'd be having some degree of same-sex attraction in form of jealously, etc. But most men won't admit to this. On the other hand, if you want a BF, then you might be a bit more gay. LOL. And there are men who live in denial about their romantic sexuality. They aren't straight at all and just play the part.
 

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I wasn't trying to really convince anyone of anything when starting this thread. Moreover, I suspect that most of the people who you're a bit paranoid about weren't either. I thought that perhaps I would luck out and have one of the threads where certain people don't get on a stage and become tiresome, but that was not to be.

Do I think that guys engage in this far more commonly than society recognizes? Yes. Why? For a boatload of reasons, some of them from personal experience, and some from scientific study. Sexual researchers (who are actual scientists who do statistical analysis, FMRIs, blood work, etc.), from Kinsey on, are pretty much unanimous in their opinion that humans are not binary in their sexuality and exist on a scale, most (and in this case I do mean the general population) exist somewhere in the middle - mostly heterosexual but certainly not exclusively. Researchers seem to look at people in Western society, shake their heads, and tell us that most of us are fooling ourselves, that what goes through the minds of most of us (consciously or not), how our genitals respond to stimuli, and even how we actually behave, varies quite considerably from what we tell ourselves is reality.

Their research is even backed up by infectious disease research. There were a number of epidemiology studies done on the transmission of certain diseases several years ago, and the numbers clearly showed that a lot more straight-identifying men had to be engaging in anal sex with each other, or with gay men, than self-reported. The math just didn't work without that in the picture. If memory serves, subsequent sociological investigation of this phenomenon is actually where the idea of guys "being on the DL" came into the public consciousness. When those studies came out, it wall all over Oprah and the like. Well, I think that most of us would agree that anal sex crosses a line. It's a line that many/most heterosexuals don't even cross with their partners. So if more guys are doing that than reported, I think that you can be sure that oral sex would be happening at an order of magnitude more widely. I think they have done studies in the black, and I think hispanic communities about this, and they did indeed find a ton more m/m contact going on than society would tend to expect.

You can also look at cultures where there aren't any, or at least substantial, prohibitions against same sex contact, and the bahaviors observed and/or reported parallel what sexual researchers tell us about the nature of sexuality. Take the classic example of ancient Greece. Though it was somewhat different for women, men were largely free to do as they wished. One's sexual preoccupations in no way impacted on his virtue, so no one had any problems at all with same sex contact. There weren't even words for gay and straight. How did people behave? Most, and yes I do mean the general public, engaged in same sex contact to various extents (though the receptive partner did sometimes experience some degree of derision, but it wasn't significant). A few were strictly "straight" in their behavior, some strictly "gay" (like Plato), but most fell along the gradient that sexual researchers indicate is the natural state of sexuality.

Given all this, and more, I think that it would be hard to imagine that this isn't going on a lot more than SOME in society would like to accept. In fact, it's been PROVEN to be the case. Some people stamp their feet and say that it's just not happening because guys just aren't like that, but they're actually the ones without any proof. It's the same mindset as people who claim that global warming isn't happening, despite what the scientists say, because when they look out their window in the winter, they still see snow. Given that this behavior IS happening, my question is more to frequency and how acceptable it is viewed as being in a world with relatively rapidly evolving sexual mores. That's what I was hoping to get some insight into here, but I'm having much more luck on forums devoted the investigation of sexuality.

You are misunderstanding my every word. I'm not talking about how often it happens, saying nothing about it. I'm sure that there are tons and tons and men that keep silent about their desires for same sex sexual encounters. Read my post again, if you wish. I don't think I can make my point any more clear.
 

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Hvdude, if your post was directed at me, either you don't know how to read or your the type of person that thinks if a guy is considering getting blown by another guy, he's absolutely gay and wants to suck cock himself. Sort of a leap. One that most of the guys on lpsg who have gone this route don't pursue.

Btw, anyone else find some irony in my having to defend the non-binary state of human sexuality on a site which is basically devoted to guys, many labeling themselves as 99-100% straight, who like to display, view, and talk about big cocks? I'm sure every one of them has a detailed explanation of why that's not the least bit gay, and I'm sure that Hvdude is convinced that each and every one of them is a flaming homosexual, but isn't there something in the middle? Sort of my point.

Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head...

Stop blabbering about defending a non-binary state of human sexuality. YOU are the one who's making this about straight vs. gay... How can you not see that?
 

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Hvdude is convinced that each and every one of them is a flaming homosexual, but isn't there something in the middle? Sort of my point.

Not a conspiracy theorist, dude. When a question is asked, people are allowed to respond with their thoughts. My thought is that there are many (not all) "straight" guys on this site who ask questions like "Would you ever suck off another guy?" or "Have you wondered what it would be like to fuck a dude?" It seems the asking of the question is almost the seeking of permission. My point was if you want to do it, go ahead and enjoy. The days of saying, "I need to know for my doctoral thesis" are long past.
 

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There are several truths of LPSG, and this thread is one that is in the top three, in no particular order.

- Any thread that asks "How old were you when...", or "When was your first...", will always end up being closed down, because someone ALWAYS posts content involving a minor (against the Terms and Rules).
- The question of "Who gives better head, men or women?" will never be definitively answered, no matter how many threads there are about it, or how many ways you rephrase it.
- Any thread that hints at "Do straight men ever...", will devolve into a bilious discussion of labels, and typically will draw in the same cast of opponents like neodymium magnets, and the thread will go on for days of senseless textual screaming.

There are more, but these are definitely the top three.

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