madame_zora
Sexy Member
Oh okay, I get it. BUT, there are lots of men who have confidence who are not necessarily huge, and I still find them appealing sexually- especially if their confidence is well deserved 
There's a point. After all, I'm always confident..when I'm on my own!
madame_zora
Sexy Member
maverackstud8: I have more confidence if I really like the person,I'm with big cock or not.As I said kindness can go along way with both sexes.I wonder if you people keep forgetting this
After having been around this forum for over three years now, I've come to realize my "views" are often quite different than others' and I learned to accept that it's okay. Fortunately, our individuality is, for the most part, respected. I'm also older than most men here and I must allow for that difference of "background" too! As I was coming along in life, women were not as vocal, or allowed to be! and it's wonderful we have the opportunity (like in this forum) to hear from them and learn! I feel personally indebted to many of them and they don't even know it!
Some guys might relish the notion they're being pursued for their "size". I happen though, not to be necessarily. I always fear a relationship based solely upon physical aspects first will inevitably leave at least one of us (if not BOTH of us! hurt somehow in the long-run. Friendship and compatibility still mean the world to me as the most reliable "grass-roots foundation" for building a really satisfying, meaningful relationship. Mind you, that's not to say sex isn't important. It certainly is! I just hate to begin a relationship with a woman though, based upon sex alone, that's all. I've never been into one night stands. By the time the subject of sex rolls around, I want both of us to REALLY know what we want and what having sex will mean for us as a couple. There indeed is a "oneness" to the sexual act which forever changes how we'll feel about one another thereafter. It goes beyond a physical union, but also a "blending" of soul and spirit. Sex really is amazing!
For the record, one of the sexiest things I can think of is, as a relationship gradually leads into the sexual act, to discover the woman is absolutely overwhelmed and ecstatic! (to learn of the size factor). It's quite a turn-on! It's like saving one of the best surprises (for her) for the very last! By that point of time, she no doubt has already had some idea the "size" factor was there....So, it's like confirming her (best?) of suspicions... what she had been thinking about perhaps all along... turned out to be really, REALLY true!
For me to then know she's so appreciative of my physical attributes! just makes me adore her all the more. And, to think she kept that little secret of admiring "size" from me until our "magical" special time! just really makes me all that more euphoric!
Some guys might relish the notion they're being pursued for their "size". I happen though, not to be necessarily. I always fear a relationship based solely upon physical aspects first will inevitably leave at least one of us (if not BOTH of us!
hurt somehow in the long-run. Friendship and compatibility still mean the world to me as the most reliable "grass-roots foundation" for building a really satisfying, meaningful relationship. Mind you, that's not to say sex isn't important. It certainly is! I just hate to begin a relationship with a woman though, based upon sex alone, that's all. I've never been into one night stands. By the time the subject of sex rolls around, I want both of us to REALLY know what we want and what having sex will mean for us as a couple. There indeed is a "oneness" to the sexual act which forever changes how we'll feel about one another thereafter. It goes beyond a physical union, but also a "blending" of soul and spirit. Sex really is amazing!For the record, one of the sexiest things I can think of is, as a relationship gradually leads into the sexual act, to discover the woman is absolutely overwhelmed and ecstatic! (to learn of the size factor). It's quite a turn-on! It's like saving one of the best surprises (for her) for the very last! By that point of time, she no doubt has already had some idea the "size" factor was there....So, it's like confirming her (best?) of suspicions... what she had been thinking about perhaps all along... turned out to be really, REALLY true!
For me to then know she's so appreciative of my physical attributes! just makes me adore her all the more. And, to think she kept that little secret of admiring "size" from me until our "magical" special time! just really makes me all that more euphoric!
madame_zora
Sexy Member
Benderten, I can really appreciate where you're coming from- I too am older than many of the posters here. At 41, I am far more vocal now than I was in the past. I was also "in the middle" of the times when it was and was not acceptable for women to speak their minds, I am very grateful for this site as a place to be comfortable expressing opinions and sharing ideas.
What you are describing does seem like the ultimate way of initiating a solid relationship, I don't know if you are married or with a s/o, but I am sure she would be a lucky one if that is the case. Since I am not, and not currently seeking such, my views may look to be at odds, but really it is more the situation that differs. This year, at my advanced age (lol) is the first time in my life that I have allowed myself to explore purely sexual relationships and it has been long overdue and much needed.
One thing that stands out to me though is the fact that women and men are still unequal in the respect that most of a woman's physical attributes are apparent, while a man's are a complete mystery. If a woman does have a preference, physically speaking, for larger endowment, she has about a one in ten shot of being pleasantly surprised, as you put it- which means she has a nine in ten shot of being somewhat disappointed! While I can see where you'd think that sounds unkind to you, think of how it is for her, to have developed true intimate feelings for someone with whom sex is never going to be that pinnacle of joy she had hoped for. Bear in mind, I am the exception to the rule- most women aren't very focused on size, and many of my friends would not prefer larger if the subject came up (I know this because since being on here, I have brought the subject up), but as you said, would rather find someone with whom they are emotionally compatible. I think it is about as rare for a woman to be "into" size as it is for a man to have it, so what's wrong with those people actually finding each other? I would never advocate anyone seeking a serious relationship based on that alone, that would be absurd, but I think it's okay to look for a match that has as many of the qualities you seek and physical ones are included there.
I appreciate your posts a lot. If we do not always agree, I still always enjoy your perspective and your gentle way of expressing ideas.
What you are describing does seem like the ultimate way of initiating a solid relationship, I don't know if you are married or with a s/o, but I am sure she would be a lucky one if that is the case. Since I am not, and not currently seeking such, my views may look to be at odds, but really it is more the situation that differs. This year, at my advanced age (lol) is the first time in my life that I have allowed myself to explore purely sexual relationships and it has been long overdue and much needed.
One thing that stands out to me though is the fact that women and men are still unequal in the respect that most of a woman's physical attributes are apparent, while a man's are a complete mystery. If a woman does have a preference, physically speaking, for larger endowment, she has about a one in ten shot of being pleasantly surprised, as you put it- which means she has a nine in ten shot of being somewhat disappointed! While I can see where you'd think that sounds unkind to you, think of how it is for her, to have developed true intimate feelings for someone with whom sex is never going to be that pinnacle of joy she had hoped for. Bear in mind, I am the exception to the rule- most women aren't very focused on size, and many of my friends would not prefer larger if the subject came up (I know this because since being on here, I have brought the subject up), but as you said, would rather find someone with whom they are emotionally compatible. I think it is about as rare for a woman to be "into" size as it is for a man to have it, so what's wrong with those people actually finding each other? I would never advocate anyone seeking a serious relationship based on that alone, that would be absurd, but I think it's okay to look for a match that has as many of the qualities you seek and physical ones are included there.
I appreciate your posts a lot. If we do not always agree, I still always enjoy your perspective and your gentle way of expressing ideas.
Those who know me....REALLY know me via personal messages and the like, understand I often try to speak up for those NOT participating in the forum, but who are instead "lurking" . I often wonder what "unmet needs" they represent? Do they come away from here worrying they're not normal? Or, are they THAT much different (than other men) in how they feel or respond about "penis matters"? Must they judge themselves solely by what they're reading about here? We get into some awfully good (really delicious! topics around here I guess. And, that's good. We've needed this venue of "sex talk" for ages....men AND women. It's healthy and it's productive. We get answers, we address issues, we are allowed to think and to learn from each other. And, we find out we're all on such common ground!
Often, I feel the comments from the larger guys who do participate (by posting)reflect stereotypical thinking. As an example, in this particular thread on "size queens". Sometimes, it appears every man above average and beyond just LIVES to be chased, sought after, and knocked down by a woman so they can have at it....wherever, however, whatever. Honestly, that just isn't always the case. And for those of us men who don't happen to WANT to be known for being well endowed, that's okay, too. VERY okay. I have enough issues with clothing and being comfortable to even want to put up next with flirtatious, unwelcomed advances. I'm basically a shy, easy-going type southern fella. But, in the right setting and under the right circumstances with that special lady, I can very much be quite romantic. There are other men out there like me. And I just want them to know we are as normal, acceptable, and a decent a specimen of the male gender as those who are voracious, more on the wild side, and enjoy a good game of being hunted down and wrestled to the ground because they're packing big. We may all have a penis as men, but we're all different by our inner nature. And, THAT should (and HAS TO) count for something in this 'ole world.
Madame Zora, you made one of the best points yet since you've been with us....that matter of being able to know a woman's physical attributes more easily than a man's. That's certainly true. No way to have a rebuttal on that one!
There's certainly nothing wrong with a man or a woman pursuing what matters most in a relationship. If it's size, then go for it!
If we get right down to it, there are a lot of disparitites in life. 'Not a doggone thing we can do about it. It's just a shame breast and penis size often complicates our judgment calls of each other. Even worse, it complicates our abilities to enjoy life and enjoy ourselves (especially when we happen to be the one who DOESN'T measure up.) This forum has unfortunatley, never been a place to really encourage our average or smaller than average brothers. While they're more than welcomed here, it's just not always the healthiest place for them to "hang out".
I fret over how the lesser endowed fellas must come away from reading this particular topic about size queens! Many of these men would have to come away from here sometimes thinking that they don't have the slightest chance.
topics around here I guess. And, that's good. We've needed this venue of "sex talk" for ages....men AND women. It's healthy and it's productive. We get answers, we address issues, we are allowed to think and to learn from each other. And, we find out we're all on such common ground!Often, I feel the comments from the larger guys who do participate (by posting)reflect stereotypical thinking. As an example, in this particular thread on "size queens". Sometimes, it appears every man above average and beyond just LIVES to be chased, sought after, and knocked down by a woman so they can have at it....wherever, however, whatever. Honestly, that just isn't always the case. And for those of us men who don't happen to WANT to be known for being well endowed, that's okay, too. VERY okay. I have enough issues with clothing and being comfortable to even want to put up next with flirtatious, unwelcomed advances. I'm basically a shy, easy-going type southern fella. But, in the right setting and under the right circumstances with that special lady, I can very much be quite romantic. There are other men out there like me. And I just want them to know we are as normal, acceptable, and a decent a specimen of the male gender as those who are voracious, more on the wild side, and enjoy a good game of being hunted down and wrestled to the ground because they're packing big. We may all have a penis as men, but we're all different by our inner nature. And, THAT should (and HAS TO) count for something in this 'ole world.
Madame Zora, you made one of the best points yet since you've been with us....that matter of being able to know a woman's physical attributes more easily than a man's. That's certainly true. No way to have a rebuttal on that one!
There's certainly nothing wrong with a man or a woman pursuing what matters most in a relationship. If it's size, then go for it!
If we get right down to it, there are a lot of disparitites in life. 'Not a doggone thing we can do about it. It's just a shame breast and penis size often complicates our judgment calls of each other. Even worse, it complicates our abilities to enjoy life and enjoy ourselves (especially when we happen to be the one who DOESN'T measure up.) This forum has unfortunatley, never been a place to really encourage our average or smaller than average brothers. While they're more than welcomed here, it's just not always the healthiest place for them to "hang out".
I fret over how the lesser endowed fellas must come away from reading this particular topic about size queens! Many of these men would have to come away from here sometimes thinking that they don't have the slightest chance.
madame_zora
Sexy Member
Benderten, I am growing a true fondness for you! Although I'm sure no one reads it, I always mention how I am the exception to the rule. Please see this as what it is- the truth! I know that men focus on a few words and delete the rest, I know this because of the PMs I used to get before I asked lurkers to stop PMing me. I got tired of having to explain over and over to each individual things I had already clearly posted, just because they chose not to read the whole post.
Most women really don't care about size!
Most women really don't care about size!
It was important enough that it bore repeating. Since this is the LARGE penis support group, I feel perfectly at ease talking about my own personal needs. I am not trying to hurt the feelings of others, or to give the impression that anyone else feels like I feel or should live as I live, I DON'T want to be any kind of a leader or "Dear Abby" figure. I just want to be me, a person like any other, working out my own issues of sexuality. But this is a place to discuss issues about large penises, so that's why I'm here. I don't want to be someone who's job it is to console those who don't feel good about their endowment, I didn't sign on for that.
I am not most women, so I need to adress things as they pertain to me. Unfortunately, we don't have huge numbers of women on here and many don't post as much as I do, so it could easily leave people with the impression that my voice is the voice of all women, which is certainly not true!
Benderten, you are right about body parts often convoluding more important issues, but once again, I am only suggesting (even for me, a size queen) that it is one part of the whole puzzle, but a fair part to consider. Once again, choosing a mate based on size alone would be absurd, but I think it's equally erroneous not to consider it at all. If a man thinks I'm attractive (even in part) because I have large breasts, but is offended if I wonder about is endowment, that feels like a slam at me. As if my sexual needs are irrelevant, I should just take whatever I get. (The old, "If you love someone the sex shouldn't matter" feels like guilt-dumping to me)
I completely respect your right to conduct yourself as you see fit in relationships, there are certainly things about myself I hold back until the "right time" to pull out as a bonus, I think we all like to have a little icing to put on the cake! I know from talking to a lot of guys on here that not everyone wants to be hunted down for their prize cock, many are not all that comfortable with it, despite how things may appear. I think it's very important for people to find partners with whom they share common feelings on these issues, whatever they may be. I'm gonna shut up now for a while and hope some other women will respond! Jana
Most women really don't care about size!
Most women really don't care about size!
It was important enough that it bore repeating. Since this is the LARGE penis support group, I feel perfectly at ease talking about my own personal needs. I am not trying to hurt the feelings of others, or to give the impression that anyone else feels like I feel or should live as I live, I DON'T want to be any kind of a leader or "Dear Abby" figure. I just want to be me, a person like any other, working out my own issues of sexuality. But this is a place to discuss issues about large penises, so that's why I'm here. I don't want to be someone who's job it is to console those who don't feel good about their endowment, I didn't sign on for that.
I am not most women, so I need to adress things as they pertain to me. Unfortunately, we don't have huge numbers of women on here and many don't post as much as I do, so it could easily leave people with the impression that my voice is the voice of all women, which is certainly not true!
Benderten, you are right about body parts often convoluding more important issues, but once again, I am only suggesting (even for me, a size queen) that it is one part of the whole puzzle, but a fair part to consider. Once again, choosing a mate based on size alone would be absurd, but I think it's equally erroneous not to consider it at all. If a man thinks I'm attractive (even in part) because I have large breasts, but is offended if I wonder about is endowment, that feels like a slam at me. As if my sexual needs are irrelevant, I should just take whatever I get. (The old, "If you love someone the sex shouldn't matter" feels like guilt-dumping to me)
I completely respect your right to conduct yourself as you see fit in relationships, there are certainly things about myself I hold back until the "right time" to pull out as a bonus, I think we all like to have a little icing to put on the cake! I know from talking to a lot of guys on here that not everyone wants to be hunted down for their prize cock, many are not all that comfortable with it, despite how things may appear. I think it's very important for people to find partners with whom they share common feelings on these issues, whatever they may be. I'm gonna shut up now for a while and hope some other women will respond! Jana
Madame Zora....you are indeed the exception!
And, we're all the better for it!
For one thing, you allow us to see a side of you which perhaps others in your life do not...at least as easily as we do here! (I suppose that's true?)
Next is your willingness, as a woman, to just be yourself. I have to wonder how many other women look up to you for your candor, frankness, and your tenacity! ...to speak your mind and "get included" in this kind of discussion about the most important part of a man's anatomy! You come across to me like YOU have some real brassy _ _ _ _ _ yourself! (You can fill in the blanks! And, please understand I mean this as a supreme compliment, too! You noted earlier that at this particular period of your life, you're doing some real major "exploring" sexually speaking. To think you dare share that here in cyberspace is wonderful for all of us (especially us fellas! to behold. In fact, we THANK YOU ! (I think.)
What I'm saying is....we're glad you're with us! My, but have you made your mark!
We have others like you here from time to time...other women who cross into this male dominated turf by virtue of its subject. But, the truth remains that this subject, the penis (whatever its size) affects both genders. It only helps all us then, to discuss our concerns and have our questions answered. Forgive the pun, but this is such a fertile field! -We need this stuff. And, we need each other.
So, without further "bender's banter" I too, will close out on my comments in this thread. I've said more than enough already and didn't mean to dominate the discussion or raise your ire, Madame. You've been very patient, kind lady!
With not only me, but others here, too, --You're something else, you know!
And I have to agree with some of the other fellas here.
That avatar of yours is quite ADDICTIVE all its own. I hope you'll quit changing it though and soon. If you don't, some of us won't be able to concentrate at our keyboards very much longer!
And, we're all the better for it!
For one thing, you allow us to see a side of you which perhaps others in your life do not...at least as easily as we do here!
(I suppose that's true?)Next is your willingness, as a woman, to just be yourself. I have to wonder how many other women look up to you for your candor, frankness, and your tenacity! ...to speak your mind and "get included" in this kind of discussion about the most important part of a man's anatomy! You come across to me like YOU have some real brassy _ _ _ _ _ yourself! (You can fill in the blanks!
And, please understand I mean this as a supreme compliment, too! You noted earlier that at this particular period of your life, you're doing some real major "exploring" sexually speaking. To think you dare share that here in cyberspace is wonderful for all of us (especially us fellas! to behold. In fact, we THANK YOU ! (I think.)What I'm saying is....we're glad you're with us! My, but have you made your mark!
We have others like you here from time to time...other women who cross into this male dominated turf by virtue of its subject. But, the truth remains that this subject, the penis (whatever its size) affects both genders. It only helps all us then, to discuss our concerns and have our questions answered. Forgive the pun, but this is such a fertile field! -We need this stuff. And, we need each other.
So, without further "bender's banter" I too, will close out on my comments in this thread. I've said more than enough already and didn't mean to dominate the discussion or raise your ire, Madame. You've been very patient, kind lady!
With not only me, but others here, too, --You're something else, you know!
And I have to agree with some of the other fellas here.
That avatar of yours is quite ADDICTIVE all its own. I hope you'll quit changing it though and soon. If you don't, some of us won't be able to concentrate at our keyboards very much longer!
Mugen: This is gonna be a long post...
(Mme. Z, this isn't directed soley at you)
As one of the "less endowed" fellas mentioned in the thread, I also think it bears repeating that there's a fudamental contradiction when it comes to this issue. If most women don't care about size, yet "size doesn't matter" being a liberally used phrase that's "known" to be a lie, I think you can understand the level of confusion (even before frustration) that this topic induces.
My take: I don't think it's wrong for women to be size queens. I think it's a function of human nature to want the best of anything you can get. I earnestly don't think a woman would have to apologize for being a size queen in the least, but I agree with benderten; it feels somewhat emasculating to have what's considered the norm here referred to as what it is, and everything that's associated with it.
Case in point; everything associated with having a large penis:
If that's "lucky", then wouldn't the opposite be "unlucky", by common associative logic?
Some more statements:
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"prize cock"
"And, to think she kept that little secret of admiring "size" from me until our "magical" special time" (this especially, since I think this isn't as rare a trait among women as large penises are among men)
"I must say that anything under 8 by 6 leaves me cold."
"Most women probably have a strong desire or facsination with big cocks.It's like going to the grocery store.Don't you always go for the biggest and plumpest fruit?lol.I know my girlfriend sure is one and makes that very clear to me. "[/quote]
That tells me (and probably many other "average and below" fellows) that women are naturally size queens to some extent. It matters, and matters more than they would let on, as it's a main focus point for sexual satisfaction...
That only holds true to external attributes. I feel I must mention about the disparity between men and women's expecations, that being gender endowment; it is true that any guy can tell a woman's endowment just by looking at her, but the difference between male and female endowment is the fact that breasts aren't needed for sex in the usual sense. Most men use their penises as the main form of vaginal (or anal) stimulation, so it stands to reason that the "disappointment factor" would weigh in heavier against men than it does against women. Said another way, breast size truly doesn't matter because a small breasted woman can still have sex with truly no complaint from the guy she's having sex with. The reverse can't be said of men in a lot of cases. A more equal comparison would be comparing the size of a man's penis, to the depth and volume of the vagina (for the simplest comparison), in which case, both are mysteries. Men don't have breasts, but we do have asses, and if a woman wants a guy with a firm ass, she can see readily if a guy in question has one, just as a man who's a "breast man" can see readily. There's less disparity than is commonly thought...
I don't even think the reverse should be true; like I said earlier, I think it's a function of human nature, and don't think that women should have to apologize for their preference, just as men don't.
Truly, size has to matter if there's such a thing as a "size factor". If pullin' out a large penis "confirms" her [best] suspicions, then wouldn't pulling out a smaller penis do the opposite? If having a large penis can be considered "one of the best surprises", then wouldn't the opposite be considered the opposite?
I think this succintly sums up why "average" men feel insecure with what nature provided us with. I might be the exception to the feeling that such thoughts are wrong; I don't think women being excited, "surprised", appreciative of larger size and being disappointed or unsatisfied with smaller size is wrong --- I firmly believe it's human nature; why shouldn't women go after the "pinnacle of joy" they hope for? But what gets me more than anything else is the idea that we're so insecure as to think that the phrase "size doesn't matter" really fools anyone.
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Many of these men would have to come away from here sometimes thinking that they don't have the slightest chance.[/quote]
Let me ask this question. If, somehow, men developed some sort of visual indication of endowment (besides "bulge") like...an imprint of a numerical measurement on one's forehead, do you think that those "average" and below would really stand any chance in the field of sex? This question is for both male and female members...
I used to equate this to vertical height and basketball; sometimes, some people aren't tall enough for the NBA, no matter how much you train to jump. Just replace "basketball" with "sex" and "tall", with "large"...
When you really think about it, are you sure guys with large penises are the ones in need of support?
*To clarify, this isn't resentment; it's an explanation as to why (most) "average" and below men feel the way we do, have "lesser confidence" than more endowed men, and basically can come away from this forum feeling "lower" than before. I actually appreciate the insight I get from this forum and its members (despite the fact that I'm really not eligible for this forum) both male and female, hetero/bi/homosexual orientations, what have you.
(Mme. Z, this isn't directed soley at you)
As one of the "less endowed" fellas mentioned in the thread, I also think it bears repeating that there's a fudamental contradiction when it comes to this issue. If most women don't care about size, yet "size doesn't matter" being a liberally used phrase that's "known" to be a lie, I think you can understand the level of confusion (even before frustration) that this topic induces.
My take: I don't think it's wrong for women to be size queens. I think it's a function of human nature to want the best of anything you can get. I earnestly don't think a woman would have to apologize for being a size queen in the least, but I agree with benderten; it feels somewhat emasculating to have what's considered the norm here referred to as what it is, and everything that's associated with it.
Case in point; everything associated with having a large penis:
If that's "lucky", then wouldn't the opposite be "unlucky", by common associative logic?
Some more statements:
<!--QuoteBegin-Througout This Thread@
"prize cock"
"And, to think she kept that little secret of admiring "size" from me until our "magical" special time" (this especially, since I think this isn't as rare a trait among women as large penises are among men)
"I must say that anything under 8 by 6 leaves me cold."
"Most women probably have a strong desire or facsination with big cocks.It's like going to the grocery store.Don't you always go for the biggest and plumpest fruit?lol.I know my girlfriend sure is one and makes that very clear to me. "[/quote]
That tells me (and probably many other "average and below" fellows) that women are naturally size queens to some extent. It matters, and matters more than they would let on, as it's a main focus point for sexual satisfaction...
That only holds true to external attributes. I feel I must mention about the disparity between men and women's expecations, that being gender endowment; it is true that any guy can tell a woman's endowment just by looking at her, but the difference between male and female endowment is the fact that breasts aren't needed for sex in the usual sense. Most men use their penises as the main form of vaginal (or anal) stimulation, so it stands to reason that the "disappointment factor" would weigh in heavier against men than it does against women. Said another way, breast size truly doesn't matter because a small breasted woman can still have sex with truly no complaint from the guy she's having sex with. The reverse can't be said of men in a lot of cases. A more equal comparison would be comparing the size of a man's penis, to the depth and volume of the vagina (for the simplest comparison), in which case, both are mysteries. Men don't have breasts, but we do have asses, and if a woman wants a guy with a firm ass, she can see readily if a guy in question has one, just as a man who's a "breast man" can see readily. There's less disparity than is commonly thought...
I don't even think the reverse should be true; like I said earlier, I think it's a function of human nature, and don't think that women should have to apologize for their preference, just as men don't.
Truly, size has to matter if there's such a thing as a "size factor". If pullin' out a large penis "confirms" her [best] suspicions, then wouldn't pulling out a smaller penis do the opposite? If having a large penis can be considered "one of the best surprises", then wouldn't the opposite be considered the opposite?
I think this succintly sums up why "average" men feel insecure with what nature provided us with. I might be the exception to the feeling that such thoughts are wrong; I don't think women being excited, "surprised", appreciative of larger size and being disappointed or unsatisfied with smaller size is wrong --- I firmly believe it's human nature; why shouldn't women go after the "pinnacle of joy" they hope for? But what gets me more than anything else is the idea that we're so insecure as to think that the phrase "size doesn't matter" really fools anyone.
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Many of these men would have to come away from here sometimes thinking that they don't have the slightest chance.[/quote]
Let me ask this question. If, somehow, men developed some sort of visual indication of endowment (besides "bulge") like...an imprint of a numerical measurement on one's forehead, do you think that those "average" and below would really stand any chance in the field of sex? This question is for both male and female members...
I used to equate this to vertical height and basketball; sometimes, some people aren't tall enough for the NBA, no matter how much you train to jump. Just replace "basketball" with "sex" and "tall", with "large"...
When you really think about it, are you sure guys with large penises are the ones in need of support?
*To clarify, this isn't resentment; it's an explanation as to why (most) "average" and below men feel the way we do, have "lesser confidence" than more endowed men, and basically can come away from this forum feeling "lower" than before. I actually appreciate the insight I get from this forum and its members (despite the fact that I'm really not eligible for this forum) both male and female, hetero/bi/homosexual orientations, what have you.
Well, it IS me again! ^_^ ....despite my thinking I was done with this topic.
But, I've had time to ponder this "size queen" stuff a bit more this week. Maybe I've come up with yet another angle on this, -- or not?
---Let's see what I manage to stir up with THIS post.
First-- I'll just admit that I've always been "turned off" by size queens because I have genuinely thought these women presented themselves as very immature, selfish thinking baffoons; often giddy and very selfish in their demeanor around men in general. To my way of thinking, these women would (for me) only lead me to ultimately waste my time... should I ever RELENT to their flattery and all their charms. I usually haven't, and I typically WOULDN'T... give in to them. As you've been reading here, I'm the kind of guy who seeks more in a relationship than just a quick romp!
What I'm hearing in the forum though from time to time, (from what few women we DO hear from! is that there indeed could be some women out there who genuinely want a larger size man for really legitimate reasons. If their vaginas happen to be somewhat deeper (yes, larger than average--here we go now with THAT phrase for women! then perhaps there really IS a need for such women to be desiring a larger size man purely from the standpoint of pure, physical gratification...period. Not for the frills, not for the kicks, not for the sport of "bedding a big one". They simply require more "size" to be sexually gratified. So....what's so bad then with that?
I think I can now see the point some of the women here have been trying to make. Looking for a larger man specifically for bonafide physical concerns and not some whimsical, fanciful silly game now makes some sense to me! I've finally caught on to their point.....I hope.
We also....no......I ALSO MUST REMEMBER !.....that many of the women who DO dare speak up in this very male-dominated cyber community of ours...their womanly views which they so bravely express here do not always represent womanhood universally worldwide! Several of them have been telling us guys that all along, too! Somehow, we've missed that point, maybe (subconsciously) even dismissed it entirely from our thick heads. Some of us men immediately launch then, a defensive attack towards women which so often isn't even necessary. I shamefully admit that I'm one who's done this from time to time. And, I wasn't always aware either just how my comments were coming across! --Gosh.
I recall the many times women have told us that we men fret over our penis size MUCH more often than they do! Most women don't turn men away entirely if they happen to be average or under. Those women who might?....they just MIGHT have very hidden, often very personal, (hard to admit reasons) when they do want bigger!
Men, maybe we owe these female members here more leverage and freedom to be themselves and talk to us freely without the fear of our shooting them down---making them regret their courage for even speaking up!. All of our LPSG members should feel at ease to contribute here without having to dread rebuttals. I'm gonna try to do better.
And, I'm going going to start thinking (at least) twice when I hear of a woman being a "size queen". I'm going to remember there could be some sincere, genuine reasons to explain her preference. I also have to believe that their seeking such a size man is not deliberately meant (by these women) as a personal assault on average (or smaller) men at all in most of these kinds of discussions.
And this in closing. I'm also wondering here now if the term "size queen" isn't sometimes even more demeaning to a woman than what I once thought of it as being. It certainly seems quite degrading to the woman who has real reasons to be seeking size. This may not be true for every woman, but wanting a large size penis might represent more than merely a desire to fulfill some fantasy. A woman just may have real reasons behind it....untold reasons. And, I'm going to (now) try to keep that in mind.
But, I've had time to ponder this "size queen" stuff a bit more this week. Maybe I've come up with yet another angle on this, -- or not?
---Let's see what I manage to stir up with THIS post.
First-- I'll just admit that I've always been "turned off" by size queens because I have genuinely thought these women presented themselves as very immature, selfish thinking baffoons; often giddy and very selfish in their demeanor around men in general. To my way of thinking, these women would (for me) only lead me to ultimately waste my time... should I ever RELENT to their flattery and all their charms. I usually haven't, and I typically WOULDN'T... give in to them. As you've been reading here, I'm the kind of guy who seeks more in a relationship than just a quick romp!
What I'm hearing in the forum though from time to time, (from what few women we DO hear from!
is that there indeed could be some women out there who genuinely want a larger size man for really legitimate reasons. If their vaginas happen to be somewhat deeper (yes, larger than average--here we go now with THAT phrase for women! then perhaps there really IS a need for such women to be desiring a larger size man purely from the standpoint of pure, physical gratification...period. Not for the frills, not for the kicks, not for the sport of "bedding a big one". They simply require more "size" to be sexually gratified. So....what's so bad then with that?I think I can now see the point some of the women here have been trying to make. Looking for a larger man specifically for bonafide physical concerns and not some whimsical, fanciful silly game now makes some sense to me! I've finally caught on to their point.....I hope.
We also....no......I ALSO MUST REMEMBER !.....that many of the women who DO dare speak up in this very male-dominated cyber community of ours...their womanly views which they so bravely express here do not always represent womanhood universally worldwide! Several of them have been telling us guys that all along, too! Somehow, we've missed that point, maybe (subconsciously) even dismissed it entirely from our thick heads. Some of us men immediately launch then, a defensive attack towards women which so often isn't even necessary. I shamefully admit that I'm one who's done this from time to time. And, I wasn't always aware either just how my comments were coming across! --Gosh.
I recall the many times women have told us that we men fret over our penis size MUCH more often than they do! Most women don't turn men away entirely if they happen to be average or under. Those women who might?....they just MIGHT have very hidden, often very personal, (hard to admit reasons) when they do want bigger!
Men, maybe we owe these female members here more leverage and freedom to be themselves and talk to us freely without the fear of our shooting them down---making them regret their courage for even speaking up!. All of our LPSG members should feel at ease to contribute here without having to dread rebuttals. I'm gonna try to do better.
And, I'm going going to start thinking (at least) twice when I hear of a woman being a "size queen". I'm going to remember there could be some sincere, genuine reasons to explain her preference. I also have to believe that their seeking such a size man is not deliberately meant (by these women) as a personal assault on average (or smaller) men at all in most of these kinds of discussions.
And this in closing. I'm also wondering here now if the term "size queen" isn't sometimes even more demeaning to a woman than what I once thought of it as being. It certainly seems quite degrading to the woman who has real reasons to be seeking size. This may not be true for every woman, but wanting a large size penis might represent more than merely a desire to fulfill some fantasy. A woman just may have real reasons behind it....untold reasons. And, I'm going to (now) try to keep that in mind.
- blar,
oh yea... i always think that when i see a female say she is a size queen. Since Much too often when I see on other forums a penis size topic..... They tend to post the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.
True hearing about how some women may need it is different...but i think a women with a above size vagina (hehe) is rare. Most of what i see is more in terms of immature, selfish women that just want to (just like you said) bag a big one for sport.
yea i give it to zora for that.... she is different because from what i have seen she has not put on an assault on average or below (don't flame me if she has!!
guys. she knows what reality is. As i said above thats all i see the size queens on the internet do....assault men who are not hung.yea i will have that same idea in my head too from now on too.... but i would have to see/hear the women say its because of something not and for sport or anything but that unfortunately tends to be what the majority of the rare size queens do
Well, as long as people can get along.
Anyway, I think an advantage of us "shy guys" is that we are free to show under our own terms rather than just being regarded as meat by-products.
Yes, I know it can't be the same for women, maybe that's the problem with the whole equality issue, it's easy to be attracted to women with boobs, but the only men with dicks who show are most likely only good as f-buddys. (As an assumption).
Anyway, I think an advantage of us "shy guys" is that we are free to show under our own terms rather than just being regarded as meat by-products.
Yes, I know it can't be the same for women, maybe that's the problem with the whole equality issue, it's easy to be attracted to women with boobs, but the only men with dicks who show are most likely only good as f-buddys. (As an assumption).
madame_zora
Sexy Member
Well, the long posts keep coming!
Benderten, you have clarified my thoughts perfectly, I could scarcely have done better myself. Here are some things you will find I have said MULTIPLE times if you read the archives:
I have a larger than average vagina
Smaller size men do not have fun having sex with me either because I'm not very tight
I am NOT the rule, but the exception to "most women"
Most of my personal women friends prefer average size penises because of pain issues
Despite having said these things over and over, people still insist on using my words to degrade themselves. It really pisses me off!
Mugen (this IS directed at you), I am sick of being called out by people who refuse to read my printed text and insist on "reading between the lines". I would like to make perfectly clear my thoughts, and then I will thank you to stop trying to twist around my words to meet your sick purposes.
I am a well-publicised "size queen", you have no business seeking approval from me!!! Duh! Let me put this in perspective (yes I have done this before, grrr), I am a larger size girl with dark skin, I am not everybody's type! Say I was on a website devoted to the Swedish Bikini team, and the men on the site were there to oogle those women. Wouldn't I look foolish if I was whining about why I wasn't their type? What's wrong with a little cellulite? Why are you men so shallow? Why don't you care about the person inside? Obviously, I would be an idiot, because it's the Swedish Bikini Model website, and I should be clever enough to know that the men going to that site would be into THAT type of women! Those would surely NOT be the men from whom I would seek approval, unless I was TRYING to get my feelings hurt! That's how I feel about you posting this stuff to me. You know my stance from reading my posts, why are you trying so hard to degrade yourself?
MOST women are not me! MOST women prefer average sized men! Am I getting through? Please stop trying to make me feel bad for having MY OWN issues, it is not my job to deal with yours! I refuse to be made responsible for how you feel about what you hear on this site, you KNOW this is the LPSG, and it IS a support group for men with LARGE penises!!!!!! It's even in the name, duh again!! I am being pissy because I have said all this much nicer many many times and been completely ignored. Please hear me now. If you want to have support for small penis issues, please start your own board, but stop trying to insult people for dealing with the issues for which THIS board was started. YES, men with large penises DO have issues, and this is their forum to discuss them in. All are welcome here, but how beneficial is it to you to rub your own nose in it? If you are not secure about your size, you will surely feel worse after hanging out here a while- just like I would if I spent a lot of time on websites devoted to skinny blondes. (I wonder how much I'd enjoy hearing "problems" about trying to buy dresses for size 3 bottoms and size 34DD tops?) Yes, it would look to me that their problems were nothing to gripe about, but then I'd be on THEIR forum, which would be open for them to discuss what THEY felt was pertinent. Does that make sense?
I am not a nurturer or mother figure here for anybody, please take care of your own emotional issues, I am here for myself. I hope that's clear enough. Don't PM me, I don't wanna hear it. Stop dumping on me and trying to "catch me in the act" because you feel bad about yourself.
Benderten, you have clarified my thoughts perfectly, I could scarcely have done better myself. Here are some things you will find I have said MULTIPLE times if you read the archives:
I have a larger than average vagina
Smaller size men do not have fun having sex with me either because I'm not very tight
I am NOT the rule, but the exception to "most women"
Most of my personal women friends prefer average size penises because of pain issues
Despite having said these things over and over, people still insist on using my words to degrade themselves. It really pisses me off!
Mugen (this IS directed at you), I am sick of being called out by people who refuse to read my printed text and insist on "reading between the lines". I would like to make perfectly clear my thoughts, and then I will thank you to stop trying to twist around my words to meet your sick purposes.
I am a well-publicised "size queen", you have no business seeking approval from me!!! Duh! Let me put this in perspective (yes I have done this before, grrr), I am a larger size girl with dark skin, I am not everybody's type! Say I was on a website devoted to the Swedish Bikini team, and the men on the site were there to oogle those women. Wouldn't I look foolish if I was whining about why I wasn't their type? What's wrong with a little cellulite? Why are you men so shallow? Why don't you care about the person inside? Obviously, I would be an idiot, because it's the Swedish Bikini Model website, and I should be clever enough to know that the men going to that site would be into THAT type of women! Those would surely NOT be the men from whom I would seek approval, unless I was TRYING to get my feelings hurt! That's how I feel about you posting this stuff to me. You know my stance from reading my posts, why are you trying so hard to degrade yourself?
MOST women are not me! MOST women prefer average sized men! Am I getting through? Please stop trying to make me feel bad for having MY OWN issues, it is not my job to deal with yours! I refuse to be made responsible for how you feel about what you hear on this site, you KNOW this is the LPSG, and it IS a support group for men with LARGE penises!!!!!! It's even in the name, duh again!! I am being pissy because I have said all this much nicer many many times and been completely ignored. Please hear me now. If you want to have support for small penis issues, please start your own board, but stop trying to insult people for dealing with the issues for which THIS board was started. YES, men with large penises DO have issues, and this is their forum to discuss them in. All are welcome here, but how beneficial is it to you to rub your own nose in it? If you are not secure about your size, you will surely feel worse after hanging out here a while- just like I would if I spent a lot of time on websites devoted to skinny blondes. (I wonder how much I'd enjoy hearing "problems" about trying to buy dresses for size 3 bottoms and size 34DD tops?) Yes, it would look to me that their problems were nothing to gripe about, but then I'd be on THEIR forum, which would be open for them to discuss what THEY felt was pertinent. Does that make sense?
I am not a nurturer or mother figure here for anybody, please take care of your own emotional issues, I am here for myself. I hope that's clear enough. Don't PM me, I don't wanna hear it. Stop dumping on me and trying to "catch me in the act" because you feel bad about yourself.
Hi Everyone,
I have been reading this thread and felt it time for another one of the women of LPSG to speak out. I always try to look at both sides of a coin. As I have said before when discussing physical beauty or endowment there are benefits and drawbacks to having an abundance of anything. Any time someone is out side the realm of the norm there will be issues, be they expressed or not. I accidently came upon LPSG and was fascinated that there was group for men that were very well endowed in that area. Because our culture is so into supersizing, often those with more than average are either sought after as objects of lust or curiosity or envied without consideration for what it must be like to be outside the norm.
This site has been a real education to me. Many of the gentlemen here have genuine challenges in finding clothing, actual physical support ( atheletic ) and sexual partners that are able to take "all the love they have to give" so to speak. It is human nature that any of us male or female are visually attracted to (negatively or positively)something unusual. Also because we have also assigned emotional characteristics to endowment ( being more manly, or more womanly) to those who have more we have created stereotypes that are unfair to everyone involved. My friend who is a beautiful and very well endowed female with large breasts, small waist, ample hips and gorgeous legs, sadly has resorted to swathing herself as a Sunni moslem matron to avoid the gratuitous sexual comments that come her way on a regular basis. I weep for her because of the ignorance heaped upon her by men that she choses not to deal with ( you slut bitch! or envious and insecure women ( Look at her! I know she must be fast , she looks like a sow! So she has constantly tailored her behavior to be able to live a normal life devoid of other's criticism. We have many beautiful men and women here on site ( inside and out) who too have felt the sting of this kind of behavior. BB has suffered attack earlier in her time here by unwanted suitors, and we all know what Madame Zora has had to endure. Many of the men though they may not be quite a vocal about it have also been deluged by IM's, PM's and emails filled with unwarranted vitriole. The other point that I find interesting is that individuals often assume that because someone is physically well endowed that they might also want attention. Benderten and a number of other gentlemen here have expressed the fact that as introverts they prefer to take a low profile.
As for female size queens. the name in itself is derogatory. Do we label men that have preferences for women with large breasts, behinds or legs "Size kings"? No , in most cases they are called normal! In most of those cases the preferences are soley aesthetic. Mme Zora nor any one else here need feel it necessary to come up with a legit reason for being. Considering that the body part under discussion is a sexual organ, her arguments are quite legit and viable but they are really unnecessary. I applaud Mme Zora (without making her feel more like a poster child than she already does) for being forthright about her needs and preferences. Many other women here may not chose to be as vocal about their reasons for being here and that too is ok .Quite frankly, it is each of our own personal business (male or female) why we chose to become members. I will say that Personally though I am fascinated visually with anything outside the norm I take the whole person into consideration when I am assessing why they would be viable for further interaction. Accident brought me here. "curiosity killed the cat", but intelligence, open discussion, and some truly wonderful men and women have brought me back again and again.
P.S. I do have to say that I want to apologize to anyone who may have been offended by the souped up lyrics to the songs we presented in the LPSG theme song thread. IT really was all in good old fashioned silly fun! We need as much levity as we can get !
Naughty
I have been reading this thread and felt it time for another one of the women of LPSG to speak out. I always try to look at both sides of a coin. As I have said before when discussing physical beauty or endowment there are benefits and drawbacks to having an abundance of anything. Any time someone is out side the realm of the norm there will be issues, be they expressed or not. I accidently came upon LPSG and was fascinated that there was group for men that were very well endowed in that area. Because our culture is so into supersizing, often those with more than average are either sought after as objects of lust or curiosity or envied without consideration for what it must be like to be outside the norm.
This site has been a real education to me. Many of the gentlemen here have genuine challenges in finding clothing, actual physical support ( atheletic ) and sexual partners that are able to take "all the love they have to give" so to speak. It is human nature that any of us male or female are visually attracted to (negatively or positively)something unusual. Also because we have also assigned emotional characteristics to endowment ( being more manly, or more womanly) to those who have more we have created stereotypes that are unfair to everyone involved. My friend who is a beautiful and very well endowed female with large breasts, small waist, ample hips and gorgeous legs, sadly has resorted to swathing herself as a Sunni moslem matron to avoid the gratuitous sexual comments that come her way on a regular basis. I weep for her because of the ignorance heaped upon her by men that she choses not to deal with ( you slut bitch!
or envious and insecure women ( Look at her! I know she must be fast , she looks like a sow! So she has constantly tailored her behavior to be able to live a normal life devoid of other's criticism. We have many beautiful men and women here on site ( inside and out) who too have felt the sting of this kind of behavior. BB has suffered attack earlier in her time here by unwanted suitors, and we all know what Madame Zora has had to endure. Many of the men though they may not be quite a vocal about it have also been deluged by IM's, PM's and emails filled with unwarranted vitriole. The other point that I find interesting is that individuals often assume that because someone is physically well endowed that they might also want attention. Benderten and a number of other gentlemen here have expressed the fact that as introverts they prefer to take a low profile. As for female size queens. the name in itself is derogatory. Do we label men that have preferences for women with large breasts, behinds or legs "Size kings"? No , in most cases they are called normal! In most of those cases the preferences are soley aesthetic. Mme Zora nor any one else here need feel it necessary to come up with a legit reason for being. Considering that the body part under discussion is a sexual organ, her arguments are quite legit and viable but they are really unnecessary. I applaud Mme Zora (without making her feel more like a poster child than she already does) for being forthright about her needs and preferences. Many other women here may not chose to be as vocal about their reasons for being here and that too is ok .Quite frankly, it is each of our own personal business (male or female) why we chose to become members. I will say that Personally though I am fascinated visually with anything outside the norm I take the whole person into consideration when I am assessing why they would be viable for further interaction. Accident brought me here. "curiosity killed the cat", but intelligence, open discussion, and some truly wonderful men and women have brought me back again and again.
P.S. I do have to say that I want to apologize to anyone who may have been offended by the souped up lyrics to the songs we presented in the LPSG theme song thread. IT really was all in good old fashioned silly fun! We need as much levity as we can get !
Naughty
Naughty, you've done it again!
I have to say that while I am guilty as every other man for "acting on instinct", it is such a shame that people who are sexually more attractive (when it comes down to it) are seen as such objects really. But there's not much we as a society can do, it's stil male dominated, the large breasted thin hipped woman is still seen as a sex object, while the large breasted wide hipped woman is seen as a "sow"??!?
But with penis sizes, it's always such a skirting issue, so much that I surprise myself to my responses on the issues. At first I would have argued "hey, no fair" about people choosing based on size, but then again, so many men seem to do it to women, that perhaps it's actually an equality thing that should be accepted. ^_^
We all have our own issues in life, it would seem worse if we're far away from what people expect (ie. the non-Brad Pitt or Kylie Minogue look), but just as bad when you're blessed with strong sexual features.
I have to say that while I am guilty as every other man for "acting on instinct", it is such a shame that people who are sexually more attractive (when it comes down to it) are seen as such objects really. But there's not much we as a society can do, it's stil male dominated, the large breasted thin hipped woman is still seen as a sex object, while the large breasted wide hipped woman is seen as a "sow"??!?
But with penis sizes, it's always such a skirting issue, so much that I surprise myself to my responses on the issues. At first I would have argued "hey, no fair" about people choosing based on size, but then again, so many men seem to do it to women, that perhaps it's actually an equality thing that should be accepted. ^_^
We all have our own issues in life, it would seem worse if we're far away from what people expect (ie. the non-Brad Pitt or Kylie Minogue look), but just as bad when you're blessed with strong sexual features.
Mugen:
What is this, the "Dump on the 'little' guy" thread?
Jeezus Madame Zora, I think it was you who misunderstood what I was trying to get at.
Actually, I don't think; I know for a fact that you misunderstood what I was trying to convey. For one thing, this was much less about you personally than it is in response to benderten's post as to clarify and elaborate upon why "average" and below men feel the way they do, especially in lieu of coming to this forum. If you want to get into how I fit into this specifically, refer to the confusion statement I made before. I only used your phrase to prove a point (the point being that I happen to believe that almost all women are size queens, in varying degrees --- which, if you'll read below I don't happen to think is wrong or a bad thing); I have no clue why you think I'm attacking you, or, even more ludicrous, attacking myself through you.
As frustrated as you are by having your posts taken out of context, I feel the same way. I plead with you to please read the entire post before making any assumptions as to what I'm trying to say. I read all of your words, I would appreciate the same consideration. As I said before:
This is in spite of the fact that I sometimes come away from this site feeling (more?) "inferior" in a sense than usual...
So, no...I don't hold you responsible for how I feel about myself, as you are naught but a series of transposed 0s an 1s on a screen to me when it all boils down to it.
AGAIN, JUST SO THIS GETS THROUGH TO EVERYONE: MY POST WAS JUST TO SHED SOME INSIGHT INTO THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF MEN WHO DON'T REALLY "QUALIFY" FOR THIS FORUM!
That's part Uno...
Part Dos:
I'll repeat a point I made earlier, now in lieu of benderten's thoughts about this subject.
I'll just add my two prior cents to the mix here:
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I might be the exception to the feeling that such thoughts are wrong; I don't think women being excited, "surprised", appreciative of larger size and being disappointed or unsatisfied with smaller size is wrong --- I firmly believe it's human nature; why shouldn't women go after the "pinnacle of joy" they hope for?[/quote]
Which would suggest that we are in somewhat of an agreement on the subject after much thought.
...but just in case that didn't sink in:
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My take: I don't think it's wrong for women to be size queens. I think it's a function of human nature to want the best of anything you can get. I earnestly don't think a woman would have to apologize for being a size queen in the least[/quote]
What does that mean? That I don't feel you have to apologize for anything at all; you're not responsible for some unknown person's sexual confidence, and I earnestly don't think you should feel bad about your preference...
Clearer for you now?
Next time, read everything (and read it well) before proverbially jumping down someone's throat (as well as trying to psychoanalyze said person) for something that they agreed with you on in the first place...
h34r:
*edit: I also find it rather interesting that my last question wasn't answered...but that tells me more than any reply to my post ever will...
What is this, the "Dump on the 'little' guy" thread?
Jeezus Madame Zora, I think it was you who misunderstood what I was trying to get at.
Actually, I don't think; I know for a fact that you misunderstood what I was trying to convey. For one thing, this was much less about you personally than it is in response to benderten's post as to clarify and elaborate upon why "average" and below men feel the way they do, especially in lieu of coming to this forum. If you want to get into how I fit into this specifically, refer to the confusion statement I made before. I only used your phrase to prove a point (the point being that I happen to believe that almost all women are size queens, in varying degrees --- which, if you'll read below I don't happen to think is wrong or a bad thing); I have no clue why you think I'm attacking you, or, even more ludicrous, attacking myself through you.
As frustrated as you are by having your posts taken out of context, I feel the same way. I plead with you to please read the entire post before making any assumptions as to what I'm trying to say. I read all of your words, I would appreciate the same consideration. As I said before:
This is in spite of the fact that I sometimes come away from this site feeling (more?) "inferior" in a sense than usual...
So, no...I don't hold you responsible for how I feel about myself, as you are naught but a series of transposed 0s an 1s on a screen to me when it all boils down to it.
AGAIN, JUST SO THIS GETS THROUGH TO EVERYONE: MY POST WAS JUST TO SHED SOME INSIGHT INTO THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF MEN WHO DON'T REALLY "QUALIFY" FOR THIS FORUM!
That's part Uno...
Part Dos:
I'll repeat a point I made earlier, now in lieu of benderten's thoughts about this subject.
I'll just add my two prior cents to the mix here:
<!--QuoteBegin-me@
I might be the exception to the feeling that such thoughts are wrong; I don't think women being excited, "surprised", appreciative of larger size and being disappointed or unsatisfied with smaller size is wrong --- I firmly believe it's human nature; why shouldn't women go after the "pinnacle of joy" they hope for?[/quote]
Which would suggest that we are in somewhat of an agreement on the subject after much thought.
...but just in case that didn't sink in:
<!--QuoteBegin-me
My take: I don't think it's wrong for women to be size queens. I think it's a function of human nature to want the best of anything you can get. I earnestly don't think a woman would have to apologize for being a size queen in the least[/quote]
What does that mean? That I don't feel you have to apologize for anything at all; you're not responsible for some unknown person's sexual confidence, and I earnestly don't think you should feel bad about your preference...
Clearer for you now?
Next time, read everything (and read it well) before proverbially jumping down someone's throat (as well as trying to psychoanalyze said person) for something that they agreed with you on in the first place...
h34r:*edit: I also find it rather interesting that my last question wasn't answered...but that tells me more than any reply to my post ever will...
Dear Mugen,
I for one was not attacking your right to speak your mind. I was stating that these are things that have happened to and continue to happen to folks here on site. I think we are saying that we are all here for our own reasons and should not feel bad or need to apologize for it. You know, many of the women here on site could get complexes over the way the guys are drooling over Mme Zora or BB. I dont know perhaps some have, but that is not something that anyone of us has control over. It happens. Does that mean that Zora or BB is undeserving of praise? NO! Does that mean that any of the other lovely ( and from what I can see they are lovely) women here are "chopped liver" or should feel that way? No! This is what happens in an open forum. You are a valuable member of our group. Relax and know that your feelings as well as any other guys or gals here are viable.For every person here there is someone who is larger ,smaller, thicker, thinner, older ,younger, sexier, geekier, lighter .darker, etc. Viva la difference! Mark hasn't thrown you out yet, has he? LOL! Once again, I always remember even though I am allowed to be here it is after all, The LARGE PENIS SUPPORT GROUP! Finis!
Naughty
P.S. Orca , I beg your pardon! Darlin', there are many men that love "bootilicious" women! The "sow" comment was quoting hatin' women! LOL!
I for one was not attacking your right to speak your mind. I was stating that these are things that have happened to and continue to happen to folks here on site. I think we are saying that we are all here for our own reasons and should not feel bad or need to apologize for it. You know, many of the women here on site could get complexes over the way the guys are drooling over Mme Zora or BB. I dont know perhaps some have, but that is not something that anyone of us has control over. It happens. Does that mean that Zora or BB is undeserving of praise? NO! Does that mean that any of the other lovely ( and from what I can see they are lovely) women here are "chopped liver" or should feel that way? No! This is what happens in an open forum. You are a valuable member of our group. Relax and know that your feelings as well as any other guys or gals here are viable.For every person here there is someone who is larger ,smaller, thicker, thinner, older ,younger, sexier, geekier, lighter .darker, etc. Viva la difference! Mark hasn't thrown you out yet, has he? LOL! Once again, I always remember even though I am allowed to be here it is after all, The LARGE PENIS SUPPORT GROUP! Finis!
Naughty
P.S. Orca , I beg your pardon! Darlin', there are many men that love "bootilicious" women! The "sow" comment was quoting hatin' women! LOL!
madame_zora
Sexy Member
Mugen, I realized after I posted that you were not attacking me personally, but since you used my words to make you point, it stung more than a bit. I did not mean to take your meaning out of context, so I do apologise.
Because of your last question, "Are large guys the ones in need of support?", I felt your post was a mixed message, for one thing, and I did address that point specifically. This IS the support site for them, whether anyone feels they need it or not, that's why it's here.
I have been personally bombarded by these kinds of posts, and I am tired of it, but you are not personally responsible for that, so now let me respond to what you really said. First, I am the minute exception to the rule. I got a bit inflamed when you said you think most women are size queens and used as your evidence quotes from here and a country song! According to the studies that have been posted here, about 85 to 90% of men's penises are from 5 to 6.5" and about the same percentage of women's vaginas are about 5.5 to 6.5 in depth!! For a woman to have a large vagina is about as rare as for a man to have a large penis, about 3 to 5%!! Sounds like the world is pretty fair to me! For the 3 to 5% of men and women to find each other is a tricky ordeal, so that has been my problem. For the 95 to 97% of average sized men and women to find each other is very simple, so I get frustrated by men coming on here and acting like this place is representative of the real world, when it certainly is not! I should have explained that more clearly.
None of my friends (women) are size queens, and laugh at me for what I'm going through, now that I'm talking about it with them. Most tell me they would run from something like that. Most women ON THIS SITE might be size queens, but that's why they're here in the first place. I will repeat that this site is not at all representative of the real world. If you take info here and learn about men's health, that's great- but if you're forming opinions about how the world operates, it will be damaging and inaccurate information! Please don't do that, there is enough misinformation in the world already.
You are right, of course, that the term "size queen" is a derogatory statement. I feel like I'm calling myself "nigger" when I use it. I only do so that people can understand a basic concept. In reality, I'm a woman with exceptional needs, but that takes longer to explain, and I don't like having to explain myself all the time, so I take the short cut- I am as much to blame as anyone else.
All are welcome here, and I appreciate you for sharing your thoughs. Even posts that draw a negative response inspire conversation, and that is a very good thing.
I have many times wondered why "average or smaller" size men would come here, it really does seem like self-abuse to me, but maybe you could explain it to me better so I will understand your perspective, perhaps I am drawing the wrong conclusions. I am a recovering alcoholic, so I couldn't imagine going to a bar and looking at all the pretty bottles of booze I can't drink, so that's how I equate it. But I do go to bars- if there's a concert I want to see, then I have a legitimate reason to be there other than to torture myself. Perhaps I have just not been able to see what your "concert" is. Unfortunatly, many average guys do come here to torture themselves and the "qualified members" for dealing opely with their issues and that seems obnoxious. I do realize now that you were not trying to do that, but your last question did sound that way to me.
I am not "in search of" larger men because of cheap thrills, but if I was that would be okay too, which is a point you did make in your post, and I appreciate that. Some women here might be, as well as some gay men. This is not a pick-up site, I have never met anyone from here, but the information I've learned has been tremendously valuable and I've made some really great friends. I hope your experience here will be useful to you in a positive way, truly. As a suggestion, I would highly recommend augmenting your visits here with factual information on the subjects discussed, such as what are normal sizes, views, etc. I would imagine there are sites devoted to those topics as well. This site is somewhat unique in the fact that there are pretty many honest people, which doesn't always happen, so I hope you will find some people who will speak the truth about what is normal, since I still feel you will not believe it coming from me.
Thank you for addressing me without flaming, it sure made it easier to respond!
As you could probably tell, I've had to deal with this a lot and it gets cumbersome, again I apologise for taking the weight of that out on you.
Orca, I know you were only talking about society in general thinking big butts are not the "in thing", and it is so true! While there are a lot of men who do like them, advertisers have been telling us forever that we are too fat! That is why anorexia is primarily a woman's disease. Again, we have to look to find the ones who want what we have to offer. Now that my butt is gone, along with much of my breasts, I feel very at odds with myself and don't know who to look for! Guess that's why the dating thing has been such a trip.
Naughty, you made a very good point (many actually) about the women on here feeling shoved to the side because of me. It is mainly because I have an avatar showing myself while most are "unseen", it makes people feel closer to someone when they can see them, so I am just more accessible. I have seen many of the women on here from having privately sent me pics, and I've seen nothing but one beauty after another! I have been truly stunned by this, I don't see that many beautiful women in one place in the real world, and I spend my life in strip clubs! For whatever reason, this site attracts very exceptional people in areas that have nothing to do with penis size (obviously, all of us women are "unqualified members"). I enjoy the intelligence and quality of conversation here far more than the pics, even though those are incredibly cool. Nudity is so often revealed as dirty, it is very good to be able to look at men in a context other than porn.
Thanks to everyone here for putting up with me when I'm naughty and when I'm nice, there's room for me to grow too.
Because of your last question, "Are large guys the ones in need of support?", I felt your post was a mixed message, for one thing, and I did address that point specifically. This IS the support site for them, whether anyone feels they need it or not, that's why it's here.
I have been personally bombarded by these kinds of posts, and I am tired of it, but you are not personally responsible for that, so now let me respond to what you really said. First, I am the minute exception to the rule. I got a bit inflamed when you said you think most women are size queens and used as your evidence quotes from here and a country song! According to the studies that have been posted here, about 85 to 90% of men's penises are from 5 to 6.5" and about the same percentage of women's vaginas are about 5.5 to 6.5 in depth!! For a woman to have a large vagina is about as rare as for a man to have a large penis, about 3 to 5%!! Sounds like the world is pretty fair to me! For the 3 to 5% of men and women to find each other is a tricky ordeal, so that has been my problem. For the 95 to 97% of average sized men and women to find each other is very simple, so I get frustrated by men coming on here and acting like this place is representative of the real world, when it certainly is not! I should have explained that more clearly.
None of my friends (women) are size queens, and laugh at me for what I'm going through, now that I'm talking about it with them. Most tell me they would run from something like that. Most women ON THIS SITE might be size queens, but that's why they're here in the first place. I will repeat that this site is not at all representative of the real world. If you take info here and learn about men's health, that's great- but if you're forming opinions about how the world operates, it will be damaging and inaccurate information! Please don't do that, there is enough misinformation in the world already.
You are right, of course, that the term "size queen" is a derogatory statement. I feel like I'm calling myself "nigger" when I use it. I only do so that people can understand a basic concept. In reality, I'm a woman with exceptional needs, but that takes longer to explain, and I don't like having to explain myself all the time, so I take the short cut- I am as much to blame as anyone else.
All are welcome here, and I appreciate you for sharing your thoughs. Even posts that draw a negative response inspire conversation, and that is a very good thing.
I have many times wondered why "average or smaller" size men would come here, it really does seem like self-abuse to me, but maybe you could explain it to me better so I will understand your perspective, perhaps I am drawing the wrong conclusions. I am a recovering alcoholic, so I couldn't imagine going to a bar and looking at all the pretty bottles of booze I can't drink, so that's how I equate it. But I do go to bars- if there's a concert I want to see, then I have a legitimate reason to be there other than to torture myself. Perhaps I have just not been able to see what your "concert" is. Unfortunatly, many average guys do come here to torture themselves and the "qualified members" for dealing opely with their issues and that seems obnoxious. I do realize now that you were not trying to do that, but your last question did sound that way to me.
I am not "in search of" larger men because of cheap thrills, but if I was that would be okay too, which is a point you did make in your post, and I appreciate that. Some women here might be, as well as some gay men. This is not a pick-up site, I have never met anyone from here, but the information I've learned has been tremendously valuable and I've made some really great friends. I hope your experience here will be useful to you in a positive way, truly. As a suggestion, I would highly recommend augmenting your visits here with factual information on the subjects discussed, such as what are normal sizes, views, etc. I would imagine there are sites devoted to those topics as well. This site is somewhat unique in the fact that there are pretty many honest people, which doesn't always happen, so I hope you will find some people who will speak the truth about what is normal, since I still feel you will not believe it coming from me.
Thank you for addressing me without flaming, it sure made it easier to respond!
As you could probably tell, I've had to deal with this a lot and it gets cumbersome, again I apologise for taking the weight of that out on you.
Orca, I know you were only talking about society in general thinking big butts are not the "in thing", and it is so true! While there are a lot of men who do like them, advertisers have been telling us forever that we are too fat! That is why anorexia is primarily a woman's disease. Again, we have to look to find the ones who want what we have to offer. Now that my butt is gone, along with much of my breasts, I feel very at odds with myself and don't know who to look for! Guess that's why the dating thing has been such a trip.
Naughty, you made a very good point (many actually) about the women on here feeling shoved to the side because of me. It is mainly because I have an avatar showing myself while most are "unseen", it makes people feel closer to someone when they can see them, so I am just more accessible. I have seen many of the women on here from having privately sent me pics, and I've seen nothing but one beauty after another! I have been truly stunned by this, I don't see that many beautiful women in one place in the real world, and I spend my life in strip clubs! For whatever reason, this site attracts very exceptional people in areas that have nothing to do with penis size (obviously, all of us women are "unqualified members"). I enjoy the intelligence and quality of conversation here far more than the pics, even though those are incredibly cool. Nudity is so often revealed as dirty, it is very good to be able to look at men in a context other than porn.
Thanks to everyone here for putting up with me when I'm naughty and when I'm nice, there's room for me to grow too.
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