Are Guys Born Straight

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I sometimes wonder if homosexuality is mother nature's way of controlling the population.

I think there's evidence to support that argument. In fact, the more boys a mother has, the greater the chance the boy will turn out gay. I think this could be population control; I think it could also be nature's way of providing an extra parent or an assistant for his older siblings who will probably have children.
 

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Seems from what Ive read that science doesnt know for certain. But any gay man will tell you it is not a choice. NO debate about that: it is immutable like eye color. And that most of us have a strong hunch that yes, you are born with a BASIC sexual orientation. (doesnt mean you cant try whatever you like....)

I don't think the research quite supports this. It's quite clear that sexual orientation is generally immutable. There's actually research finding a small number of people who claim to have become straight (or at least happily bisexual) when they were formerly gay. I actually feel like I changed from straight to gay myself, but it wasn't really a 'choice', just a thing that happened. But for the most part attempts to change your sexual orientation don't work.

None of this means it's like eye color, though: a basic biological fact determined by genetics. Lots of things can be immutable, and not choices, without being genetic. There's maternal hormones in the womb, for one thing, though that mostly amounts to the same thing. Height has a major genetic component, but diet has a major effect on it: people are taller today than they were 500 years ago.

You also can't really change the type of body you find sexually attractive (e.g., fat/thin/built) but a lot of that is heavily influenced by society. It used to be that being pasty and fat was hot because it they were signs that you were rich and didn't have to do physical labor. And people sincerely found that hot, even though it was 100% the result of social factors. Today it's hot for men to be built and women to be super-thin, because that shows you can afford a gym membership, have enough free time to go to the gym, and can afford healthy foods rather than processed foods. And people really do find those things hot today.

Research on identical twins has conclusively established that sexual orientation isn't 100% genetic, since a straight person's identical twin may be gay and vice versa. It seems likely to be at least partially genetic though.

The key point is that <i>we don't know</i> what causes people to be straight.
 

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I have no clue if I was born gay or straight. When I became sexually self aware at about 12 years old, I knew I was gay then. I had a happy home life. I wasn't molested or abused. I wasn't a mama's boy. I had an attentive father, blah, blah, blah. etc, etc., etc. I truly feel it's genetically inherent in me.
 

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I'm not sure how much of an impact nature has on sexuality.

My dog humps any golden retriever that passes his way, be it female or male, and only golden retrievers. A lower-level thinking life form like a dog obviously doesn't wake up one day and decide to have Retriever Fever...

But for the longest time I remember REALLY wanting to like girls, but I never could. My mind would always go to boys.
 

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It's genetic for gay or straight, or somewhere in between.

One of my psych teachers said we're all bi-sexual, in that we pretty much want sex from whoever, even if it's not a conscious act. We'll all look at either sex's bodies, things like that.
 

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I don't think one can be born gay, maybe with a certain probability of turning gay later in life due to his early environment, but not initially gay. I believe this for two reasons. First of all, if you believe in natural selection, which if you don't, don't even bother typing a response go get a science book and familiarize yourself with modern science cause you're an idiot, than you believe that all animals, including humans, are born with the biological imperative to reproduce. To be gay means that you don't have this imperative, and in my mind that can only come about as a choice as it goes against millions of years of evolution. Secondly, if being gay was entirely decided by one's genes, then in cases of twins where one twin is gay, the other one would have to be gay and this simply is not true. Having taken a course on the subject, i learned that this is typically true of slightly less than 50% of cases, meaning more often than not, only one twin is gay. To me, that's solid proof that one cannot be born gay. There has to be some sort of incident or series of incidents that causes one to become gay. What seems really disturbing to me is the guys on this site who admit that they are gay or "turned gay" because of a small penis. You know, the guys who in posts say that they've accepted their roles in life. To me that's just dumb, because you could be a nice guy, sucessful, normal in every way, but to think that you don't deserve a normal life because your penis is smaller than average is nuts. Anyway, until a gay gene is found by scientists, which I don't think they ever will, I will go on believing that it is ultimately a choice.
 

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people are born the way they are. There are lots of bisexual animals in teh world, not jsut humans
if you're looking for a 'reason' for homosexual behavior, I feel it has to do with taking the reproductive pressure off the species or to the need for lack of reproduction as a result of overpopulation
 

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I don't think one can be born gay, maybe with a certain probability of turning gay later in life due to his early environment, but not initially gay. I believe this for two reasons. First of all, if you believe in natural selection, which if you don't, don't even bother typing a response go get a science book and familiarize yourself with modern science cause you're an idiot, than you believe that all animals, including humans, are born with the biological imperative to reproduce.
For someone who claims to be coming from a scientific point of view, this is quite ignorant. Homosexuality has been observed across the animal kingdom (for illustrations see Ricky Gervais' 'Animals'). Not only this but with your simplistic view on reproduction, how can you explain the behaviour of the social insects for example, such as ants or bees, where the vast majority of the species plays no part in the act of reproduction itself?
 

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I REALLY HATE gays that try their best to promote this crap of a logic...

Lets go...FIRST OFF, no study has ever been done showing People are born gay... And to say "no study has been done showing people are born straight" is Not Science... YOU are the one that holds burden of proof, not the mass... ALL studies done on gays have never been reproduced with matching results..A REQUIREMENT for a theory to be deemed Fact...

The APA changed its position on gays being natural NOT on science, but activism by gay psychologists and others in 1973.

...That being said...

lets talk a bit about "gay" animals....Being that the APA was assaulted by gay males... Lo and behold they look to prove the existence of gay male animals.

So they see animals humping ONLY other male animals and call that "gay"...then line up the Butch Animals that Lick the pussies of other animals for THEIR pleasures.... as do human women... Monkeys can make crude tools...How bout dildo? Sounds funny right? WHY!?!?! BECAUSE THEY ARE ANIMALS THATS WHY AND THEY EAT THEIR OWN VOMIT AND POOP....

SO IS THAT NATURAL FOR ME TO DO AS WELL???

DOGS HUMP PEOPLE....


So is it NATURAL for me to hump dogs? People do it...... So are they born to Like Sheep? Horses?

THE LOGIC is so RIDICULOUS AND DESPERATE!~!!!!

its like gay males look to stand wherever they can....
Like the guy who asked the Miss america lady about gay marriage.. HE was a pro gay activist.. SHE DENIED HIS SILL ATTEMPT AT INTERJECTING GAY ACTIVISM IN A FEMALE EVENT....
And he then went on Youtube Calling her a BITCH and saying shit she never said! SOME JUDGE!!!


I dont mind gay people doing their thing.... But What i HATE is when they try to pass their shit off like they are ANY DIFFERENT than BDSM people or people who like Golden showers!

WHY chose a hard life of ridicule? I DONT CARE WHY!!!!! Its a choice... Point blank....

They try their best to somehow make statements that STRAIGHT people are actually GAY at Birth or ANYTHING THEY CAN!!! Just shut the hell up and Suck what you want and STOP TRYING TO MAKE A MOUNTAIN of YOUR LIFE and leave EVERYONE WHO DOESNT WANT TO ACCEPT YOU ALONE!!!!

You cant MAKE people accept fat women can you? if you are fat and wanna be hired at a job, You should be..... if you wanna dress so as to SHOW FAT ALL OVER THE PLACE MORE THAN OTHER WORKERS...they should fire you...A STRAIGHT PERSON isnt PRESSING his sexual preference At work all the damn time. So if youre GAY be GAY but dont ACT gay.. its like sex is on your damn mind all the time.. your BEHAVIOR shouldnt have SHIT to do with Your Dick swang.... AT WORK we should be EQUAL in behavior... I should not be able to tell WHAT the hell you do from hearing you talk or seeing your walk or dress..

I REALLY HATE seeing this type of shit...

Also the whole marriage thing.....

if two dudes can marry...WHY NOT 2 swinger couples?!?!?! STOP TRYING TO STAND WHERE THE STRAIGHT PEOPLE STAND... BE YOU..DO YOU....

THE SAME BOOK THAT SAID ONE ON ONE MARRIAGE AND NOT POLY MARRIAGE IS THE SAME BOOK THAT SAID OMNI MARRIAGE IS A MAN AND WOMAN....


You cant DENY the bible then Accept it where it fits you.... So if gays can marry, i wanna marry 3 women....

AND NO IM NO "homophobe" and all that shit because I myself had done shit with males...But I do what i WANT when I WANT... BY CHOICE... Im being HONEST and the gay population is the biggest SHAM the world has ever known...its media created SHIT! The fact is, the gay man would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have his pick of STRAIGHT men.. NOT GAY men.... If you told a gay male... WHICH would you rather have a sex romp with? A straight person or a Openly gay person? ONLY THE LIE gay man will say he'd rather be with an openly gay male on a one nighter.
 
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And as far as the "gays cannot reproduce" issue....

Lets pretend that it was FACT that gays are born gay... THEY ARE STILL A DEFECT.. because if 100% of the populous were gay.. they would NOT reproduce because the Interaction of males and female is CHEMICAL as well as mental.. AND THE GAYS have been trying their best to say they too have the chemical drive like women to go after men...
THAT BEING SAID....

IF YOU ARE ATTRACTED BIOLOGICALLY TO THAT WHICH YOU COULD NEVER REPRODUCE YOU ARE A DEFECT... Just like a man with a low sperm count. If you have a low sperm count, cant science PLANT YOUR SEED for you? That STILL doenst make you normal to have a LOW count does it? WHY DO WE CALL IT LOW? because we look at what the MASS are born with and see you dont have it... hence YOU ARE THE DEFECT...


So If it were true (which it aint) that people are born Gay, then you STILL have a defect... And if you say "well GAYS can Always MATE if they choose with a female..." Well if they are "choosing" to mate with a female...HOW IS IT THEY ARE NOT CHOOSING TO MATE WITH MALES!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 

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For someone who claims to be coming from a scientific point of view, this is quite ignorant. Homosexuality has been observed across the animal kingdom (for illustrations see Ricky Gervais' 'Animals'). Not only this but with your simplistic view on reproduction, how can you explain the behaviour of the social insects for example, such as ants or bees, where the vast majority of the species plays no part in the act of reproduction itself?


THIS PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!! So you ... In order to make your point..LOOK ACROSS THE BILLIONS ON BILLIONS of varied animals to find one that fits your point?!?!?!

Well BEES CAN FLY......Can you?

Bees Die after using their stinger... unless you have a Horrible std..YOU WONT! LOL

YOU ARE NOT A BEAST.... And if you are trying to say that we STEM from the beasts.. then you also cannot DISALLOW the natural draw of male female.... WE are a male female population...THAT is how we reproduce ... THAT is how we mate, and court... As do ALL male female animals (if you believe in this)

But to try to look DEEP AS YOU CAN to find something that can JUSTIFY YOUR POINT is SO STUPID...


HERE IS THE BRICK in the WHOLE ANIMAL THEORISTS....


BUTCH LESBIANS!!!!


Do the Animal folk have any studies done showing BUTCH LESBIAN monkeys that act like the males...as well as try to Mate with the females in NOT JUSTZ A HUMPING METHOD like males..but ALSO the dildos the licking..... LIKE HUMANS DO....

in fact... How many Animals have ANAL SEX AT ALL?!?!? HERE IS YOUR ANSWER..... ZERO. So HOW NATURAL are you looking NOW?


How bout ORAL sex? Ever see a monkey sucking off a dick of a male on the regular as in the MASS that WE DO? NO? WHY?!?! BECAUSE WE AINT ANIMALS AND WE MAKE CHOICES!!!!!

How bout threesomes with no Dominate male fighting? BDSM? How bout molesters? Any horses ggo after Horrses that are BEFORE sexual maturity? No? WHY?!?!?! CUZ THEIR ANIMALS AND WE AINT!!!! THATS WHY!!!! GEEEEZZZZUSSS
 

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I don't think one can be born gay, maybe with a certain probability of turning gay later in life due to his early environment, but not initially gay. I believe this for two reasons. First of all, if you believe in natural selection, which if you don't, don't even bother typing a response go get a science book and familiarize yourself with modern science cause you're an idiot, than you believe that all animals, including humans, are born with the biological imperative to reproduce. To be gay means that you don't have this imperative, and in my mind that can only come about as a choice as it goes against millions of years of evolution. Secondly, if being gay was entirely decided by one's genes, then in cases of twins where one twin is gay, the other one would have to be gay and this simply is not true. Having taken a course on the subject, i learned that this is typically true of slightly less than 50% of cases, meaning more often than not, only one twin is gay. To me, that's solid proof that one cannot be born gay. There has to be some sort of incident or series of incidents that causes one to become gay. What seems really disturbing to me is the guys on this site who admit that they are gay or "turned gay" because of a small penis. You know, the guys who in posts say that they've accepted their roles in life. To me that's just dumb, because you could be a nice guy, sucessful, normal in every way, but to think that you don't deserve a normal life because your penis is smaller than average is nuts. Anyway, until a gay gene is found by scientists, which I don't think they ever will, I will go on believing that it is ultimately a choice.

Gays don't choose to be gay, but you apparently choose to be ignorant of science.

The following organizations say that homosexuality is not chosen and it cannot be changed:

American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
American Academy Of Pediatrics
National Association Of Social Workers

Until you get an advanced degree in medicine, psychology, or human sexuality, I think I'll trust the experts over some anonymous poster on a penis website.
 

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AND NO IM NO "homophobe" and all that shit because I myself had done shit with males...But I do what i WANT when I WANT... BY CHOICE... Im being HONEST and the gay population is the biggest SHAM the world has ever known...its media created SHIT! The fact is, the gay man would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have his pick of STRAIGHT men.. NOT GAY men.... If you told a gay male... WHICH would you rather have a sex romp with? A straight person or a Openly gay person? ONLY THE LIE gay man will say he'd rather be with an openly gay male on a one nighter.

Seek professional help.
 

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THIS PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!! So you ... In order to make your point..LOOK ACROSS THE BILLIONS ON BILLIONS of varied animals to find one that fits your point?!?!?!

Well BEES CAN FLY......Can you?

Bees Die after using their stinger... unless you have a Horrible std..YOU WONT! LOL
None of that had any logic behind it so I'll skip it.

WE are a male female population...THAT is how we reproduce ... THAT is how we mate, and court... As do ALL male female animals (if you believe in this)
Yes we do reproduce, it doesn't mean every single entity in the species was born with that biological drive. As long as enough are, the species continues.

But to try to look DEEP AS YOU CAN to find something that can JUSTIFY YOUR POINT is SO STUPID...
As deep as I can? It took all of a fucking second for ants and bees to spring in my mind as a clear case where animals are born without the aim of reproducing. If you think that applying logical analysis when engaging in a discussion is stupid then, as you yourself might say, LOL!

We are animals. If you see homosexuality in other primates (which you do, amongst many animal orders) then it would be ridiculous to expect to see no homosexuality whatsoever in humans.
 

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One gay guy told me he became gay because when he was young, his older bro's friend slept over and touched him sexually. So for him I guess he's saying he turned gay and not born.
 

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One gay guy told me he became gay because when he was young, his older bro's friend slept over and touched him sexually. So for him I guess he's saying he turned gay and not born.

No one "becomes gay" just from being touched by someone of the same sex just like no one becomes straight just from being touched by someone of the opposite sex. Your desires are innate. They happen naturally.
 

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One gay guy told me he became gay because when he was young, his older bro's friend slept over and touched him sexually. So for him I guess he's saying he turned gay and not born.
So all those little altar boys touched and abused by Catholic priests turned out to be gay when they grew up?
Oh, puh-leez.

We're born straight. We're born gay. Or we're born somewhere inbetween.
Embrace it. Live it. Love it.
 

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I'm not gonna try to answer this question as my opinion won't mean much as there is little factual evidence to support either claim. However I feel I should point out that too many people on this thread are just equating sexual behaviors to one's sexual orientation. there are straight guys that like a finger up their poop shoot and there are gay guys that like Women's breasts, this does not change either of their sexualities because they are more then physically attracted to males (if gay) and girls (if straight) they are also emotionally attracted to them. So when people keep comparing our sexuality to that of animals it doesn't hold much weight as we are unaware of the depth of emotions animals feel and experience, if any. so if an animal is doing somehting we might consider "homosexual" can we really call it that? or is the animal just trying to release some built up "energy."

I don't Know if that made sense, just a few thoughts of mine.