Are Male Rape Fantacies Unethical or Immoral?

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    Iran giving out condoms for criminals to rape us, say jailed activists | World news | The Guardian

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    I don't accept the common claim that anything consenting adults like or do is legitimate on the grounds of "personal choice" -- my critique of that idea will have to explained elsewhere -- even while I'd advocate a legal right to engage in nearly anything that doesn't impose upon others.

    So is one of my main sources of titillation immoral or unethical? I get a major sadistic thrill out of accounts of adult men raped and made into sex-slaves by other men in prison. I'm appalled by the idea of adults attacking minors or women; and fictional accounts don't interest me at all. But I've gathered scores of detailed recollections of all sorts of men who are forced to submit to other men, some of them involving real brutality. The links are just a few examples. Yet the idea of my enjoying other real people's suffering is disturbing to me. Is this unethical, or should I just say that this is my own "choice" and business, I don't comment such abuses myself, and dismiss any examination of what's behind "personal choice" as so many others do?

    I'd say I'm an otherwise very ethical human being.
     
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    yeah no i do not go for the whole rape thing my first long term lover raped me for the first two years we were together the last time he tried i put a knife to his throat and the next 3 years were fine
     
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    $0.02 I don't think rape FANTASIES are unethical or immoral in any way, shape, or form.

    I think so long as things are between two (or more!) consenting adults and you're not, y'know, killing them, or breaking laws... it's ok. There are quite a few things I'm into that would creep the hell out of other people. However, myself, or other people aren't being hurt anymore than we want to be. Hell, I'm intrigued/turned on by kidnapping/abduction play and rape play. I sure as heck am not ok with actual rape. I agonized for a long time over guilty feelings as a person who has been a rape victim, over the fact that I find rape play/rape fantasies are hot. I got over it. Eventually.
     
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    Honestly, I'm really sorry to hear of your experience. I've met a couple guys who've been through the same but never have or would talk to them about it precisely because of my ambivalence explained above. Doing so would be exploitative and make me a first-class ass-hole. Not sure though whether not crossing that line is ethical, cowardly or both.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear what has happened to you.

    now i feel guilty and wrong saying this but
    I had dreams where I'm home cooking and my tired and angry husband comes home and rapes and beats me because the food is not done yet. and i would always wake up in the middle of the night with a hard on.

    but I really am sorry for what you went through and Glad to know he did stop.
     
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    I must admit to having some fantasies myself - but not to the point of full-on brutality and violence (well, rape is violence but I think you know what I'm trying to say). Perhaps my fantasies would be considered domination-play rather than rape-play. I don't think having fantasies is unethical or immoral, but I also think there is a big difference between having fantasies about it happening to me and getting aroused by it happening to someone else. I would feel completely ashamed if I ever started getting off while reading/hearing other people's experiences.
     
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    This, without the agonise-y bit at the end.

    Where there's consent, it's all good.

    Where there's no consent, it's actual rape, and I start breathing fire.
     
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    I been to jail before when I was 17, never had a issue. But I was 5'9 230 Pounds at the time.
    But I did get sexually assaulted at school when I was a kid though. It really did effect my performance in school and ended dropping out of high school.

    Now days I can defend my self probably would knock the guy out if he grabbed my dick.
    5'10 212 pounds currently
     
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    Fantasies are incapable of harming anyone; not the fantasizer, certainly not anyone else. By that fact, they can neither be ethical or unethical.

    Morality is an amalgamation of custom and prejudice derived more from human insecurity than logic or reason. What thinking person gives a flying fuck in the air about what's immoral and what's not?
     
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    to the folks posting in this thread.... what would have been your answer if a guy posting about how reading victim accounts of child molestation gets him hot?

    would it still be something as harmless as fantasy?

    he's erotising a crime, real life accounts of rape. NOT a rape fantasy.

    is terribly unethical. rape fantasies are all well and fine, quite common and damaging to no one if limits are respected.

    getting turned on by the non-con humiliation, depersonalization, assault of another human being skirts dangerously close to sociopath behavior. there has to be some libido fueled disconnect preventing the OP from empathizing with the victim.

    professional help... at least for an evaluation.. you must seek.
    and yes, you should feel about it.
     
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    i think they are wrong and should be done away with in porn. never would indulge in them myself, but i will say that some of the hottest sex i ever had (because she was so turned on) was some light bondage, i tied her wrist to the bed posts with silk ties and then teased her forever with licking, caressing and nibbling on her tits and jenny (tip of the hat to ms. lee). when i did untie her (understand she had full capability to get loose any time she wanted, she attacked me like a tiger! it was amazing!!
     
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    I feel really wrong coz I fantasize about this almost everytime I jerk off, I dont think the comparison with child molestation is valid though, sometimes in jail you can find the true bottoms who ''sell'' their bodies for protection and other favours
     
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    both are sex/power/control crimes.
    both are damaging in more than physical ways.
    both are instances of someone more powerful *physically, position of authority/intimidation* taking advantage of some one helpless against them.

    the only difference is a gut reaction of anger and protectiveness that flares up when a child is involved. abuse is abuse. getting turned on by either is creepy.

    the OP wouldn't be interested in cell-block exchange. he likes rape reports.
     
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    prision rape doesnt involve minors, and taking away the intimidation scenario jail is like the masculine place for excelence, so any sexual act there is a turn on for many.
     
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    *blink*

    you might be an idiot.
     
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    I'm straight, but in to rape play and have no problem with fantasies. It wasn't something I pursued originally, but I was with a woman who absolutely loved it and she made it pretty clear it was something she needed. After getting over my initial reservations about it, I started to really love it. We ran in to real problems later when she wouldn't use the safe word and start crying when I tried to initiate and accuse me of actually trying to rape her.

    I guess the point I'm making is that I don't think there's anything fundamentally immoral about them, and being aware of what turns you on is the most sensible thing a person can do. It is, however, a more advanced sort of play/fantasy and if you're not capable of separating it from the real world then you're better of staying away from it. I think pursuing real-world accounts of rape as masturbation fodder is getting in to a real grey area, and could really be a slippery sloap.
     
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    Oh. It's good to see that the idiocy of this place can be counted on. + 9000 for each of your posts

    Rape fantasy: no harm no foul

    But that isn't what you were asking, and the sneaky way you did not include that in your thread, counting on the lazy and stupid amongst the sheeple to only read the thread title and no further is underhanded.

    As a surveyor of rape, the idea of rape fantasies is a topic I struggle with. They can be hot. No denying. But when I have them they are either complete brutality free or con non con. Things like that can be hot. Other times I get oogy thinking about it. I can't watch it. I can read some.

    Thing is, you, OP, are not really fantasizing, well not about fictional accounts. You are almost fetishizing actual torment and pain. That's fucking sick. Seek help. The way I see it, you are one step from wanting to watch it happen, to then holding the victim down, to doing the crime yourself.

    And for the. Complete morons who seem to think that there is no comparison between raping an adult or molesting a child? Holy fuck, what the he'll are you on?!

    I had, when I was first here, a blog detailing my rape. I never thought I would be glad to see my blogs permanently deleted tilll now. The thought of some sick bastard getting off on my pain and anguish is so repulsive as to be nigh indescribable.

    Thank the gods there are people here who can fucking read, and comprehend what the OP was asking.

    And to e OP, do I think your fantasizing about real abuse is sick, wrong, immoral and unethical? damn skippy I do. Get yourself some help, before you start skidding down that slope.
     
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    glad you are back! and:fuckyou:
     
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