Are Men Becoming Endangered?

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  1. jason_els

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    Yet more evidence pthalates, toxic pollutants, and other environmental estrogens are quietly causing the doom of humans:

    One of the birth defects, decreased ano-genital distance in males, has been observed around the world. But I also wonder if there just simply aren't more gay men because of this as well? Could environmental pollution be skewing male sexual preference as well? What if there really are more gays per capita than there used to be because of these pollutants?
     
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    Doom? No, just a &#8220;correction&#8221; in the population explosion the world will not be able to feed soon anyway. :shhh:
     
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    So are you saying homosexuality is caused by Pollution??????????????????????????
     
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    Interesting article. The only thing it proves is that boy sperm are weaker than girl sperm. I'm not being catty. A reproductive endocrinologist told a friend of mine that male sperm swim faster than female sperm. Female sperm however are stronger. So if you want a boy baby lay on your back during sex and if you want a girl baby the cowgirl position is best. I laughed, I thought it was B.S. However, I have since mentioned it to 3 women trying to conceive and they all swear they tried it and got what they were aiming for when the baby arrived. :confused:

    Back to the article. I do believe chemical pollution is affecting infants of both sexes adversely in many ways: asthma, cystic fibrosis, autism, cleft palates, various respiratory ailments, the list is endless. Yet I am really uncomfortable with the idea that an external and controllable source creates gay men. Great if we get rid of air pollution and unnecssary toxins; not great if suddenly we have no more gays.
     
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    This is a slippery slope. If you argue that pollution can "cause" homosexuality, then you liken it to a disease. I would never categorize homosexuality as a disease. However, I do beleive it is an abnormality as it is technically inhibitory to the continuation of the species and is not yet proven to be directly inheritable (Most gay parents have straight biological children-so I've heard). Bringing pollutants into the mix of explanations though might be a way to help people understand why people are different in general and help them understand how someone might acquire homosexual interest through natural development.

    I personally think that we will never find a gay gene. The mind and personal preference are far too complex to me mitigated by a single gene. Think of it as a dice game. Imagine that each die represents a gene's possible types. Lets keep this simple at two dice. Lets assume that for a child to be gay, the dice have to roll a 1&6 combo. The sum of 7 isnt important, but the combination of 1 and 6 is. Under pristine conditions the body will take the entire genetic code into "consideration" and transcribe the appropriate portions of those two genes, creating proteins, which in-turn define intra-cellular interactions, which can help "wire" the brain in a certain way, which can lead to homosexual interests.

    This time lets take a child who got a 3 and 6 roll, but lets assume the child has been exposed to a significant amount of some pollutant. This time the body may not transcribe the appropriate portions of the genes if the pollutant affects the transcription machinery or alters the recognition of the gene by the machinery. Then, even if it trinscribest the gene appropriately, the pollutant coudl affect the transport and or placement of the created proteins, yielding them ineffective. Then again, even if the proteins make it where they are supposed to go in good condition, the pollutant may interfere with the intracellular communication, again rendering the proteins less effective.

    Here is where you need to make the biggest jump: This person who has 3-6 genetics may develop a 1-6 body because the pollutant interfered with the natural genetic funtion of that person's cells. It is also conceivable that a 3-6 person who is exposed to this pollutant might develop a 4-6 body, but the point is that if pollutants can "fool" the system by making any other dice roll seem like the 1-6 combination, then the cells will interact similarly to the way they would for someone who actually has that 1-6 combination.

    So, is homosexuality genetic? It could be, even without a definitive "gay gene".
    Is homosexuality environmental? It could be, as explained above.
    Is homosexuality social nuture? Not directly, but I could see a rationale where set of social events or circumstances causes hormonal or other chemical changes during development that mimic the pollutants as described above.
     
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    I saw the documentary. Fantastic. Said nothing about homosexuality.

    To precis, male sexual development in the uterus is being stunted because of chemicals like pesticides, BPA and phthalates. Male children are increasingly being miscarried because of the same chemicals. Sperm counts are down and the remaining sperm are of poorer quality.

    Since there is no firm understanding about the genesis of homo- or heterosexuality it's only speculation to consider the feminizing effects of estrogenergic petrochemicals as a possible cause or contributor. If that were the case, one would expect a higher rate of penile birth defects among homosexual men. I don't know of any research on that, though I suspect there are more than a few people on this site who can tell us. Haha.
     
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    I have a theory about birth control being a cause of homosexuality. Seems to be that there are more gay people than ever before. :dunno: any input? no pun intended.

    Let's not forget global warming/ cooling... :33:
     
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    I rescind this argument...
     
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    What's the point of a species reproducing if it can't take care of it's young?

    If we tell elephants and raccoons that they're allowed to mate carelessly with no regard to survival then I'm sure they'll catch up and surpass us. More sex!

    Anywho, back to the original question

    Q: Are Men Becoming Endangered?

    Not fast enough.
     
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    The female population does not need that many males to keep things going. One male an inseminate a LOT of females.


    As to homosexuality... there is no evidence that the incidence of homosexuality is increasing... and, the presence of homosexual behavior in ALL social mammal species argues that it is perfectly normal and its prevalence part of the evolved balance of mammalian sexual behavior.

    The reason it persists seems to be because it is related to a variable condition within the mother's womb- therefore, its NOT genetically caused, but a developmental variation that seems tied to the number of offspring the female has borne.

    Thus- reproductive SUCCESS in the female is related to homosexual behavior in their male children... and because of this linkage, Homosexuality can not be selected out.



    As to feminization from pollutants... trust me... as the evidence for this solidifies, the result will be SERIOUS attention paid to SOLVING the problem...

    Its interesting, but hardly the harbinger of doom to humanity.
     
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