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(Just wanted to vent.)

I don't understand men. They are [sometimes] all nicey-nice to their mother or wifey, but oh, my dog -- the porn that they look at. :eek: Seems like half the time, the poor girl is bored/suffering/just-acting. It's the suffering ones that really turn my stomach.

And the COMMENTS that men write. They talk about the girl like she's an object, there for the receipt of their almighty cum.

I just don't understand.

Are men even human?
 

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no, some of us are gods...
 

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just avoid the menfolk with questionable taste in porn.

a couple years as counter crew in a porn shop will learn you which men should probably be monitored by the state. *huzzed out shudder*


Some one got burned....

nah... Ms. Punny just spent too much time in the adult website forum.. umm fora... umm quarantine?

"issues with women" should totally be a sub-whatever.
 

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just avoid the menfolk with questionable taste in porn.

a couple years as counter crew in a porn shop will learn you which men should probably be monitored by the state. *huzzed out shudder*




nah... Ms. Punny just spent too much time in the adult website forum.. umm fora... umm quarantine?

"issues with women" should totally be a sub-whatever.

Damnit, Mickey... You must have told all the porn-stars that tidbit, about avoiding the guys with wierd tastes in porn. I can't get any of them actors to work with me. This h as left me without a job for a long while. I've finally caved in, and took a non-technical position in a callcenter, until the studios call me back, with a willing co-star.
 

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Damnit, Mickey... You must have told all the porn-stars that tidbit, about avoiding the guys with wierd tastes in porn. I can't get any of them actors to work with me. This h as left me without a job for a long while. I've finally caved in, and took a non-technical position in a callcenter, until the studios call me back, with a willing co-star.

i am all good with the weird... in fact.. i like weird :smile:

my objection and confusion is kinda focused on porn bordering on violence. and the follow up rational of "she was paid for it"

*rant nipped in the bud*

there was a thread here a while back.. she can't take it and half the men seemed genuinely disappointed that the female performer was on her period and not vaginally torn by her scene partner's penis.
 

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I agree with MickeyLee...men with questionable tastes in porn (porn where the men treat women like an object, women obviously in pain, men acting like they have a god complex in porn etc...) should be steered clear of...imo.
 

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Unfortunately there often is a disconnect. 3-dimensional women you know are 'people'; 1-dimensional women can be sex objects, only. Women we know are (or should be) treated with respect; an object is a non-person. I may be wrong on this; I hope I don't offend. There is the recognized 'Madonna / Whore Complex'.
 

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nah... Ms. Punny just spent too much time in the adult website forum.. umm fora... umm quarantine?

"issues with women" should totally be a sub-whatever.

Bingo!

I made the mistake of looking in the porn section earlier today and was sickened. (I usually steer clear of those forums because I prefer my illusion of men as gentlemen)

However, the subject has been on my mind for months -- ever since the October 2009 gang rape of a 15 year old girl (at her high school dance). Twenty or more young men watched and/or participated for TWO AND A HALF HOURS. It's a miracle the poor kid survived.
 

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Unfortunately there often is a disconnect. 3-dimensional women you know are 'people'; 1-dimensional women can be sex objects, only. Women we know are (or should be) treated with respect; an object is a non-person. I may be wrong on this; I hope I don't offend. There is the recognized 'Madonna / Whore Complex'.

True.

But sometimes there is a three-dimensional woman involved.

- - - - -

So are men human? Or are they half-beast?

Why is the idea of a woman "taking it" so *shudder* appealing to so many men?
 

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True.Why is the idea of a woman "taking it" so *shudder* appealing to so many men?

This is what turns us on. Haven't you heard the saying that men want, "a lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets"?

Why does romantic and passionate sex appeal to women so much? We like what we like.
 

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This is what turns us on. Haven't you heard the saying that men want, "a lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets"?

Why does romantic and passionate sex appeal to women so much? We like what we like.

Women suffer because of that -- bullocks to "We like what we like."

Would YOU step in if you saw a woman in pain, or would you stand there stroking your penis?
 

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Men in tights, perhaps?:rolleyes:

Nope those guys have been around since the middle ages.

Sadly, sex is used far too often as a tool for dominance instead of as a means for celebration and connection on deeper emotional levels.

Though it's conceivable that the two could be merged sometimes, that is as rare as a blue-eyed ferret. Loot, rape and pillage are an ancient formula for successful conquest with our species. And that includes nonpleasurable coercive impregnation of females, and males too.
 

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Women suffer because of that -- bullocks to "We like what we like."

Would YOU step in if you saw a woman in pain, or would you stand there stroking your penis?

Well it depends on what you're talking about. If you mean that rape, yeah they are suffering and I would try and stop it.

But if we are talking porn, those women are getting paid $1,000+ for a scene. I'd hardly call that suffering. Plus, it's pretty hard to find porn where the woman is genuinely uncomfortable or "suffering" during the scene. Most times they are either into it or obviously faking. Trust me, I'd know because I've been looking for this stuff because my fwb loves it and it is pretty hard to find.
 

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This is what turns us on. Haven't you heard the saying that men want, "a lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets"?

Why does romantic and passionate sex appeal to women so much? We like what we like.

but why the disrespect for the freak?

how does being a sexual adventurous/open freak lead to being devalued as a human being?

that attitude sounds like women should be punished for being a full realized sexual being. that fucking sucks :irked:

romantic.. no taste for it.. i think it's silly actually
 

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Nope those guys have been around since the middle ages.

Oops... and I thought it started with a movie by Mel Brooks. My bad!

Sadly, sex is used far too often as a tool for dominance instead of as a means for celebration and connection on deeper emotional levels.

Though it's conceivable that the two could be merged sometimes, that is as rare as a blue-eyed ferret. Loot, rape and pillage are an ancient formula for successful conquest with our species. And that includes nonpleasurable coercive impregnation of females, and males too.

Agreed.

So what PART of "man" is performing/watching/cheering on the deed? Is it a "human" trait, or is it some throw back to some animal gene or something?
 

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Well it depends on what you're talking about. If you mean that rape, yeah they are suffering and I would try and stop it.

But if we are talking porn, those women are getting paid $1,000+ for a scene. I'd hardly call that suffering. Plus, it's pretty hard to find porn where the woman is genuinely uncomfortable or "suffering" during the scene. Most times they are either into it or obviously faking. Trust me, I'd know because I've been looking for this stuff because my fwb loves it and it is pretty hard to find.

Without a public demand for such movies/clips, they wouldn't be made.

I'm talking about the "appetites" that drool over the images, whether said images are real or fake. And the way they TALK about the woman. *shudder*

It isn't just a few men here and there. If the people here on LPSG are an example, it's fairly common.
 

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but why the disrespect for the freak?

how does being a sexual adventurous/open freak lead to being devalued as a human being?

that attitude sounds like women should be punished for being a full realized sexual being. that fucking sucks :irked:

Well, I can't speak on behalf of all men, but I think many guys find it extremely hot to be dominant with a girl and call her names like slut, whore, cunt, etc. I know it turns me on. Does that mean I actually think my partner is a slut? No, of course not.
 

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My opinion, is that I personally cannot have sex without first feeling love for the one I am having it with. And since I am not male, I don't know if that is the case for most males or not.

It takes at least politeness to be considerate to a lover.
 

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Without a public demand for such movies/clips, they wouldn't be made.

I'm talking about the "appetites" that drool over the images, whether said images are real or fake. And the way they TALK about the woman. *shudder*

It isn't just a few men here and there. If the people here on LPSG are an example, it's fairly common.

I'm petty sure I'm one of those people. When it comes to porn, many things people find to be sexually degrading of women are huge turn ons for me. I'd even venture to say the majority of guys are that way. But like I said before, this is what we like. Why do women get so turned on from romantic and passionate sex? It is what it is.
 

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Which leads to me another question:

Do gay men watch similar porn, but with the "ouch" stuff happening to a man? Do gay men go, "Oh, look at that man-whore taking it?"

Or is it more of a straight guy thing?
 

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Bingo!

I made the mistake of looking in the porn section earlier today and was sickened. (I usually steer clear of those forums because I prefer my illusion of men as gentlemen)

However, the subject has been on my mind for months -- ever since the October 2009 gang rape of a 15 year old girl (at her high school dance). Twenty or more young men watched and/or participated for TWO AND A HALF HOURS. It's a miracle the poor kid survived.

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Most Every man has a deep biological yearning for women.
But not all men get the kind of response they hope for from women.

Women, in exercising their choice, can be astoundingly cruel, especially young women to young men... who are far more devastated by rejection, since they are the ones having to take the risk.

Many men react to these early injuries by forming a deep grudge against women in general... many want to 'get even' by learning how to get women interested and then dumping them or mistreating them in a manner similar to the off hand dismissal that they have suffered at the hands of women.

Other's never seem to get any better at relating to women and end up lonely and frustrated... surrounded by people who are getting their needs met while they go begging... they may end up having to rely on prostitutes, which further erodes their sense of worth.

All these various factors combine to make many men angry, or resentful toward women, whom they perceive as having power over them, or over their needs and desires... And this manifests as objectification.

It is important to note that, to the twisted logic of the rapist... rape is an act of vengeance.

women control men's access to women. And those who women do not readily bless with their affections tend to be damaged further by that reality.


(this is not meant to point a finger at women or suggest they are to blame- biological selection is supposed to be a competition, its the way we are evolved... but the runts of any litter can not help but envy and be jealous of their more successful siblings, and rage at the unfairness of life.)
 

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I'm petty sure I'm one of those people. When it comes to porn, many things people find to be sexually degrading of women are huge turn ons for me. I'd even venture to say the majority of guys are that way. But like I said before, this is what we like. Why do women get so turned on from romantic and passionate sex? It is what it is.

Ah, but I am not discussing women here.

I'm wondering if this apparently wide-spread male tendency is a HUMAN trait, an animal instinct, or (as some preachers would have us believe) the work of the devil?
 

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I think it is the whole dominant (male) -submissive (female) aspect.
 

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Most Every man has a deep biological yearning for women.
But not all men get the kind of response they hope for from women.

Women, in exercising their choice, can be astoundingly cruel, especially young women to young men... who are far more devastated by rejection, since they are the ones having to take the risk.

Many men react to these early injuries by forming a deep grudge against women in general... many want to 'get even' by learning how to get women interested and then dumping them or mistreating them in a manner similar to the off hand dismissal that they have suffered at the hands of women.

Other's never seem to get any better at relating to women and end up lonely and frustrated... surrounded by people who are getting their needs met while they go begging... they may end up having to rely on prostitutes, which further erodes their sense of worth.

All these various factors combine to make many men angry, or resentful toward women, whom they perceive as having power over them, or over their needs and desires... And this manifests as objectification.

It is important to note that, to the twisted logic of the rapist... rape is an act of vengeance.

women control men's access to women. And those who women do not readily bless with their affections tend to be damaged further by that reality.


(this is not meant to point a finger at women or suggest they are to blame- biological selection is supposed to be a competition, its the way we are evolved... but the runts of any litter can not help but envy and be jealous of their more successful siblings, and rage at the unfairness of life.)

Hello Phil, thanks for posting. :wink:

I believe you may be right to some degree. And I remember being callous myself on more than one occasion. (I had absolutely no idea what boys were going through.)

However, it's so extensive (apparently) that I don't know if this is a "nuture" situation, which is what your theory would indicate.

Could it be deeper than that? Could it be a "nature" kind of thing that is always hovering on the horizon? And if so, does that make it a human or beastly trait?
 

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I think it is the whole dominant (male) -submissive (female) aspect.

Ah, but women are not necessarily submissive. We are taking over small business in America as well as college campuses. :rolleyes:
 

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(Just wanted to vent.)

I don't understand men. They are [sometimes] all nicey-nice to their mother or wifey, but oh, my dog -- the porn that they look at. :eek: Seems like half the time, the poor girl is bored/suffering/just-acting. It's the suffering ones that really turn my stomach.

And the COMMENTS that men write. They talk about the girl like she's an object, there for the receipt of their almighty cum.

(THAT IS JUST A STR8 MAN'S FANTASY. In real life, they wouldn't dare say that or believe it.)

I just don't understand.

Are men even human?

If you like men...you are gonna have to put up with a lot of stupid shit. Even men have to put up with stupid shit with each other.
 
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