Are men human?

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It's just laughable & completely absurd that any woman can complain of the objectification of women when they've joined the LARGE PENIS support group.

Pot...kettle...black? Lol
 

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Do you feel better now, crackoff? The mythical Marxist lesbians versus the stereotypical wifebeatin s.o.bs?

Smackdown at prime-time. :rolleyes:

I do think there is gay bdsm porn, both lesbian and mm. I have no statistical sense of what predominates. At Dark Roast Press we offer a few fantasy fictional versions. I find that the product we offer is distinguished by an undercurrent of love and romance which I consider redeeming, because I am personally committed to healing lines.

The difference between erotic romance and porn is frequently debated in our little industry, and boils down to this: whether the erotic imaginings are imbued with caring and human value. In other words, love.

Men and women are human, but I have a sneaking suspicion that some consumers of porn are losing their human qualities.
 

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I read the entire spectrum. It's my job! I doubt you've read anything that doesn't coincide with your clear prejudice

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That is not the issue. Degrading women, whether they are PAID to act for porn or not, is the issue.

Been on the Women's Studies campus too long - have you? Proove that all women don't like doing any of these acts. Degradation is purely subjective - some women find it degrading to have a man come in their mouth I guess.

But even if we produced a million women who like the most degraded acts, (& I've only been introduced to them by women - fisting, BDSM,group, anal, watersports - including the current one), you'd say that they were indoctrinated by men or were "vulnerable".

You say nothing of the similar degradation of the male stars.

Oh that's right they're men - The perpetrators - & women are perpetual victims.

And all this bollocks came originally from a group of Marxist lesbians who initially wanted men to live in one hemisphere, & women in another. Sheez.

Go away unfree mind.


Oh my god.

Get off your lesbian kick dude. WTF.

So, you are saying there is porn out there that degrades men? Is this what you are saying? Because all this other crap?

You started off good....well, they were my words, so.....That is not the issue. Degrading women, whether they are PAID to act for porn or not, is the issue. But that is only part of what I said. I said the question poised was why do men like to watch it.

Not once did I say women are victims. Far from it.

Not once did I say that women don't like to play, be the sub, have fun, be called a whore, get their rocks off.

And, god, I will regret this, but WTF is your job? Not reading obviously.

The point is, and was, WHY DO some (yes, everyone is different, no not all men like this type of porn) MEN LIKE TO WATCH PORN THAT DEGRADES WOMEN. It was not, do women like to be treated as whores. It was not, do women think men should move to another hemisphere. It was not about women at all, but about men. Why do some men like watching porn that degrades women.
 
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The difference between erotic romance and porn is frequently debated in our little industry, and boils down to this: whether the erotic imaginings are imbued with caring and human value. In other words, love.


and that makes all the difference?

frankly I find the idea that the submissive loves her bondage more disturbing than one who resists it. (but then as a "plain ole vanilla type" I can't possibly hope to understand the varied nature of BDSM--not to mention their concomitant pseudointellectual justifications)

punny. you're disturbed by the number of men who like porn. i'm disturbed by the number of women who loved the movie "Secretary."
 
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What is disturbing about loving something? I see little problem with loving things. It is when someone is disturbed by something that there is a problem.

Not Punny was disturbed by something. We are here to help pinpoint what it was and offer support. You are disturbed by people who enjoyed a certain movie, why? Tell us and we will try to offer you support, too.
 
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What is disturbing about loving something? I see little problem with loving things. It is when someone is disturbed by something that there is a problem.

some things are not good for oneself. some people are not good either. when/if one loves something/ someone that is destructive to themselves (for example an abusive partner) that should be disturbing, assuming someone else cares about that someone.

Not Punny was disturbed by something. .
"something" is right! at least I came up with a title. whatever she's describing it doesn't bear any relation to the porn i've been downloading from brazzers.
 
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Oh my god.

Get off your lesbian kick dude. WTF. Yeah see at the bottom - learn a little history, think about where information comes from, why parts are omitted, & potential agendas

Not once did I say women are victims. Far from it..

You claim MEN LIKE TO WATCH PORN THAT DEGRADES WOMEN that clearly implies it. The thread title is "Are men human?" which is obviously contentious, & I've strolled with the troll.

And, god, I will regret this, but WTF is your job? Not reading obviously.

Facetious again, I'm just better read than you(generally). I can pick a source up pretty quickly. I must read at least 200 pages of proper news(!) from any corner or journal of the globe daily, for research & trends, included is all political -socio-economic -then examine, analyse & advise on decision making. I've even written for the media - no you won't get my best stuff here! Lol. I've been up 36 hours.

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The point is, and was, WHY DO some (yes, everyone is different, no not all men like this type of porn) MEN LIKE TO WATCH PORN THAT DEGRADES WOMEN. It was not, do women like to be treated as whores. .

You state things in a vacuum without reference. Exactly what porn degrades women? We live in an anything goes sexual society; to each their own. It's your judgement - why do people eat stuff that makes them fat?

The awful truth is, despite record prosperity, & equal opportunity (especially if you never have kids) women of ALL ages are queuing up to be in porn, & the greater the number, the more women you'll find who'll have particular kinks. And this is all counter to feminist arguements to boot.

Scat, animals, kids, & real physical damage are the things that no one should like, but the OP wasn't talking about that!

Lesbian feminism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - It's not great but it includes the separation idea, there is a BBC documentary (a young Julie Bindel was in it) which examines all Lesbian/Marxist feminism in the 1970s more deeply - & almost all feminism taught has Marxist origins, look at the history & themes - of course you now have liberal feminism - they're the ones who don't want all men to die (lol), put the original views have permeated at all levels...The most common Marxist/Frankfurt school trick is to ridicule & deride without providing any evidence...BORING

Must be off now. Thank you Helga for the link, though God knows you don't have to be in love or a relationship to have good sex.

Love you all really
 

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Okay, this is disturbing on several levels, but I will stick to one. First, if we are to follow this logic, than in reverse, women who have been hurt and/or humiliated by men would then want to watch porn where men are treated as sex toys/whores and sluts for taking it, (it being sex of any kind) by a woman. So, is this true? Do women who were treated poorly, denied their own sexuality, rejected or perhaps dumped and called a slut for giving in to sex in a relationship, (think of all the scenarios...) does this mean that those women are treating men like whores, calling them names and humiliating them during sex?

I think not.


Says who? I have friends who have been rejected in the past by men and it has led them to be bitter towards them. Women can have the same need to humiliate or abuse, but it doesn't manifest itself the same way because we are not as driven by sex. I mean how many times do you hear about women who make all their future boyfriends pay for the mistakes the one bad one makes?

Besides, everyone knows men love being objectified. :rolleyes:
 

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Let me just say first that I like this question


Just like women have submissive fantasies leading all the way up to rape in intensity so do in men have dominate fantasies leading all the way up to raping and degrading women in intensity.

It's all about finding someone else with the same affinity for the same intensity of fantasies.

For example, 2 people just love vanilla sex only or 2 people like indulging in playing their roles in a rape fantasy sex occasionally or more or 2 people find a balance btw dominance (leading in the bedroom) and submissiveness (wanting someone to lead) and really raw loving emotion.

The films you were watching were just the representation of the male extreme fantasy counterpart to the female extreme fantasy counterpart.

I'm sure you'd be detested at the visual representation of what a erotic romance novel would be, I'm sure there's a reason none of them have been made into movies. Then people would be saying to themselves are women human? or are they just "sluts"?

Women and Men are human because they both feel longer term emotions and morals or MOST have the capacity. For all we know the men you speak about have this "crazy" fantasy and they KNOW its "crazy" but they just need some sort of expression and release but also plan to start a very healthy family or have a healthy family/life.
 

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For reference, I watch very little porn, and I call Man B as my first witness :biggrin1:.

When I was exploring my BDSM side I did look at quite a lot of sites involved in that and if womankind has missed the opportunity of my horniness (may their gods forgive them) I only really like the amateur stuff.
 

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And the COMMENTS that men write. They talk about the girl like she's an object, there for the receipt of their almighty cum.

I just don't understand.

Are men even human?
being kinky is cool.
it's the dehumanisation that disgusts me.
i'd hit ''that''...that, not her.
a lot of men do talk about women, in porn or in casual sex, as objects rather than people.
However, the subject has been on my mind for months -- ever since the October 2009 gang rape of a 15 year old girl (at her high school dance). Twenty or more young men watched and/or participated for TWO AND A HALF HOURS. It's a miracle the poor kid survived.
to find so many people at one dance, who would actively join in or enjoy watching but say nothing, says a hell of a lot about human nature when it comes to women and sex.

and dehumanising women is the first step for these people. if you can stop seeing her as a person, start seeing her as a thing to fuck, then you don't have to care about her welfare.
 

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I tried reading, but the biased blind opinions got too much and I gave up...

Anyone bothered mentioning that what one woman finds degrading another might find rather empowering? Some like the nice fluffy romantic porn, some like something a little more rough and ready, some women like to be spat on and dragged around by their hair, some men like having their nuts stamped on.

If no one is being hurt beyond what has been mutually agreed on, I'm not seeing the issue. Doesn't mean I want to be part of it or see it, but I'm not about to go forcing my values on other consenting adults.
 

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some women like to be spat on and dragged around by their hair, some men like having their nuts stamped on.

If no one is being hurt beyond what has been mutually agreed on, I'm not seeing the issue. Doesn't mean I want to be part of it or see it, but I'm not about to go forcing my values on other consenting adults.
Perhaps, but your examples sound unhealthy. I'm no moralizer, but good and ill are not difficult to differentiate.
 

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Perhaps, but your examples sound unhealthy. I'm no moralizer, but good and ill are not difficult to differentiate.
i don't have issues with that.
a guy and girl can consensually act like she's an object.
i DO have issue with a guy {or girl} actually seeing that woman {or man} as just an object...and that's what the comments often hint at. like because she's a porn star she's less human than your mother or your sister.

having seen film of myself having sex i made a conscious choice to change my expressions in future, because the intensity i was enjoying caused a scowl that looked...well it looked like i didn't want to be there to say the least!

but weirdly enough, it never bothered any guy i was with that i looked like i was hating every second...
 

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So surprise - an actress is acting - shock horror - so is the guy, but perhaps you haven't noticed that. Furthermore, she'll be paid 3 times what he is, can just lube herself up, & the poor chap HAS to get a stiffy & HAS to ejaculate.

I haven't read 100% of what you posted but I have to react to this. Just lubing up a vagina, or anus, does NOT allow a woman to be pounded painlessly for hours. Lube might help avoid actual tearing (for some) but it will not prevent tissue damage. I have listened to several porn actresses talk about this in interview and a great many of them do 'grin and bear it'. Hopefully, that is their choice - I have also read more than one or two accounts of women who weren't given much choice - told they had to work to pay back a debt, pay for their keep, etc.. It is extremely blinkered of you to think that all female porn actors are OK because they can slap a bit of KY on their cunts. In fact I'd go as far to say that that level of wanton ignorance invalidates your contribution to this thread.

For reference, I watch very little porn, and I call Man B as my first witness :biggrin1:.

Total hearsay - I only have his word on it. :tongue:

When I was exploring my BDSM side I did look at quite a lot of sites involved in that and if womankind has missed the opportunity of my horniness (may their gods forgive them) I only really like the amateur stuff.

I feel safest with am stuff too. It's the only way to be sure that the people you're watching are into what they are doing.

I tried reading, but the biased blind opinions got too much and I gave up...

Anyone bothered mentioning that what one woman finds degrading another might find rather empowering? Some like the nice fluffy romantic porn, some like something a little more rough and ready, some women like to be spat on and dragged around by their hair, some men like having their nuts stamped on.

If no one is being hurt beyond what has been mutually agreed on, I'm not seeing the issue. Doesn't mean I want to be part of it or see it, but I'm not about to go forcing my values on other consenting adults.

Good point - The problem I have is if, in order to make the porn to give the visual stimulation to those that find degradation a turn on, someone is genuinely being abused. Giving someone money or making them sign a contract saying they are OK with it does not mean that abuse is impossible. We all know that both women and men get taken advantage of in order to get porn made. I think it happens often that both men and women are hurt beyond what is mutually agreed - and I think people masturbate to it. That upsets me.