Are Men Intimidated by Strong Women?

[joybunny]

The passage of time isn't magical. People change. There are plenty of fair criticisms of Bush that can be made but I don't think he's a drug user, an alcoholic, or a womanizer at this point in his life.

That's a good thing. I may not agree with all his decisions but I do admire his ability to stand by them. I just wish they all were beneficial.

 

[joybunny]

I wish that I had a nickel for ever time a person called their female supervisor a "bitch" because they gave them an order. Despite generations of suffrage in North America, it seems that women are still not permitted to cross the line. Women are expected to be demure, polite, courteous, nurturing. This is almost the antithesis of a political or corporate leader.



Be quiet woman and get me a beer.

That's until someone gets their ass in a crack. I'm putting your Shiner Bock in the mail today. Look for it sometimes next week.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

I tend to disagree with the myth that a woman gets called a bitch for something for which a man get called assertive.

I have worked with women who were bitches... and for men who acted the same way--- we called men who acted that way assholes.

And I have worked for women who were not bitches...


Frankly... in the workplace women are at a disadvantage because of their upbringing.

Whereas men are pushed into sports from a very early age... activities in which they get copious practice at the nuances of pecking order... of how to take orders and how to give orders within a hierarchy of authority... most women, alas, do not get that kind of comprehensive training in how to follow, or lead without bruising egos.

There are very subtle aspects to how to lead effectively... and not even all guys learn them well... there are plenty of really bad male bosses out there....

A lot of it has to do with tone.

For an example of this, contrast the performances of the female captain of the Voyager star trek show to that of the male captain in the next generation show.

I can tell you that the amount of emotionalism and condescension that the female actress exhibits would make her a hated superior to her crew, both male and female. IF a crewman suggests a course of action she disagrees with... she simply can not keep that belittling tone out of her voice in turning him down.

whereas the even tone, and refusal to undercut shown by captain picard is much more reflective of someone who is good at wielding authority.

This is not to say that women can't be just as good at it as men... just that men go thru a winnowing process as boys to try and teach them the rules and identify those who have the natural capacity to lead.
so they have a head start.


But seriously-- if you are a woman in a position of authority and you know folks say shit behind your back... try renting Voyager tapes and Next Generation tapes and see if you can pick up the difference in the two captians' styles...
regardless of gender... one of them is being much kinder to their inferiors, and better eliciting support... without being too familiar.

 

[bluesteel81]

I dont think men are intimated by strong women as long as there is that level of RESPECT between them. When she starts using her success as leverage in the relationship then thats a problem.

 

[transformer_99]

I tend to disagree with the myth that a woman gets called a bitch for something for which a man gets called assertive.

I have worked with women who were bitches... and for men who acted the same way--- we called men who acted that way assholes.

And there lies the contradiction, because some where, there is someone that would maintain that whatever it was the the woman was called bitch for and the man an asshole, that the perpetrator of said behavior was merely being assertive ? So why would the female be singled out as a bitch, when her male counterpart is an asshole ? They are both either assholes or bitches, but in this context the terms are gender specific. Why delineate by gender ? Guess it's the difference between calling a woman a bitch vs calling them a cunt ? One trumps the other and is intended to be more derogatory ?

 

[Principessa]

Men are fine with strong women. Boys (and boys in men's clothing) are intimidated by strong women.

I agree, unfortunately these 'boys' and 'boys' in mens clothing seem to be multiplying like bunnies. Sadly, the real men who are fine with strong, intelligent women are in very short supply.

I think this is generalizing a bit too much.

Confident men aren't intimidated by strong women. Men with insecurities likely are. An intelligent, strong, confident man will be able to appreciate the stimulation a strong woman can offer him and even feel that much better about himself that he is the one to capture her attention

. This is true.

I can certainly see this holding true for those men seeking sport sex and adding notches to their belt. For these men the only thing a woman needs to do to be labeled a bitch is to correctly pronounce the word,"NO".

Fortunately strong women already know that these men aren't worth a second thought. Mind you, if we are in the mood for easy meaningless sex, we know we can bat our eyelashes as vacantly as the next bimbo.

Who me? I have no idea what you mean :flirt: (njqt466 bats her eyelashes innocently)

All in all, I want a women who is willing to call me out if I am being an ass, but doesn't feel the need to finish my sentences for me.

:tongue: Sheesh, you sure a re picky! :wink:

If she was perfect then why is she getting her ass handed to her by Obama lately? Just because she's a woman?

I know you disagree, which is fine; but I think the reason Obama is ahead right now is two-fold. He is very popular on college campuses which is a segment of the populace not known for having a huge voter turnout in the past. Secondly, no one expected white males especially in the southeast United States to vote for a black man. Yes, that's right I am saying that just enough independent and disenfranchised, republican, white males have taken up for Obama to give him what now appears to be a landside.

ridiculous assertion if you ask me.. some people are in a deep state of denial. I can't believe Hillary's campaign even made it as far as it did.

also, re: Bonds and Bush being womanizers.

Since when was Bush a womanizer? Isn't he, literally, the only U.S. president in history to not have any mistresses?

No that is incorrect. Jimmy Carter admitted to having lusted in his heart, he never acted on those feelings. I can't believe anbody other than their wives wanted to fuck Richard M. Nixon or Ronald Reagan!
Also, I'd give Hillary arrogant but I wouldn't call her a womanizer, either.

I love strong women..........I like when they change my tires....

hahaha :tongue:

The passage of time isn't magical. People change. There are plenty of fair criticisms of Bush that can be made but I don't think he's a drug user, an alcoholic, or a womanizer at this point in his life.

That's too bad about the first two if he were dunk or high that would at least explain some of his less logical actions. Such as WMD's and moving Day Light Saving Time

As for the womanizer, it is common knowledge that allegedly GW Bush has been having an affair with Condoleeza Rice since early in his first term.

 

[D_smack ash]

nope dont mind them.i have a friend whose a semi pro body builder.she could kick my butt.hmmmmm that mite be fun heheheheh

 

[deleted15807]

As for the womanizer, it is common knowledge that allegedly GW Bush has been having an affair with Condoleeza Rice since early in his first term.

I wouldn't be surprised. The King of Error fired Colin Powell and gave the job to Condi...she can't help lovin dat man. Hasn't everyone seen that picture of Bush kissing her?

Bush's kisses for fairer sex raise eyebrows

 

[transformer_99]

I wouldn't be surprised. The King of Error fired Colin Powell and gave the job to Condi...she can't help lovin dat man. Hasn't everyone seen that picture of Bush kissing her?

Bush's kisses for fairer sex raise eyebrows

Thank God they still had their clothes on. That thing about imagining your parents, well those visuals were worse.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

"common knowledge that allegedly"?

I don't buy it. and have never heard that before.

I did see it being circulated that Condi had something going on with Canadian foreign affairs minister MacKay, though.

I forgot about Carter. I think he's the one other exception.

and NJQT, why would I disagree that Obama was doing well among those demographic groups? I don't disagree. but who cares? Unexpected success is still success.

 

[transformer_99]

I'm turned off by needlessly bitchy women, extremely high-maintenance women, arbitrary nitpicky women, judgmental snobbish women, strongly opinionated women who aren't half as smart as they believe themselves to be, egomaniacal women who think they are God's gift because they haven't figured out that any decent looking woman can get attention from guys if they want to.

but strong women? no. Women in positions of authority, educated women, professional women, intelligent women, assertive women, confident women, women comfortable with their own sexuality, women willing to take the initiative, emotionally stable and independent women... those are all big turn-ons for me.

So it depends on what you mean exactly. In my experience a lot of women who think of themselves as "strong women" are really just the egotistical God's gift or the not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are variety I described above.

Excellent points of clarification, a most recent encounter, the woman looked like the Grinch, the hairstyle, facial structure, you name it. Thought she was all that too !

 

[B_josiah852]

I love women who are sure of themselves. Women that know what they want and women that are successful. But if they became successful by being a pushy bitch then I am not intimidated but I am not attracted to them. Show me a woman that is successful with a positive attitude then that's my kind of woman.

 

[transformer_99]

"No that is incorrect. Jimmy Carter admitted to having lusted in his heart, he never acted on those feelings. I can't believe anbody other than their wives wanted to fuck Richard M. Nixon or Ronald Reagan!"

Ewwwwwwwwww, Nixon, Carter and Reagan, maybe when they were in their primes, but during their Presidencies ? No, if they got a piece of @ss, it was because they were paying for it with either cold hard cash or it was some woman's dysfunctional, misguided idea of a career move. As it pertains to Bush, I don't watch the SOTU Address and wonder how many of those old bags want to f*ck George Bush, it was hard enough looking at Cheney and Pelosi that close to each other with their clothes on, without having to imagine them going at each other like a couple of wild animals naked. Damn Viagra !

That's too bad about the first two if he were drunk or high that would at least explain some of his less logical actions. Such as WMD's and moving Day Light Saving Time

So true !

 

[uncut1234]

no, because im stronger

 

[Principessa]

]"common knowledge that allegedly"?

If I hadn't put in disclaimers you would have said these were obviously not facts. Sheesh, you are impossible to please. :tongue:[/font]

I don't buy it. and have never heard that before.

That's your prerogative. However, I can't believe you never heard the rumors as close as you are to the DC Metro area.
George & Laura headed for divorce
http://www.moxiegrrrl.com/2005/01/sex-scandal-rocks-white-house.html
http://www.nndb.com/people/205/000024133/
Bush and Condi Rice in Love

I did see it being circulated that Condi had something going on with Canadian foreign affairs minister MacKay, though.

I never heard that rumor, when would she have the time? Boinking the president seems much more likely if only because of the easy access. Afterall it's not uncommon for people who work together to hook-up.

I forgot about Carter. I think he's the one other exception.

and NJQT, why would I disagree that Obama was doing well among those demographic groups? I don't disagree. but who cares? Unexpected success is still success.

 

[Supersized]

Only an abusive control freak has a problem with a strong woman. I prefer strong women as opposed to gold digging, manipulative free loaders.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

NJ, I read the articles you linked to. They all seem to be either completely tongue-in-cheek... or else from HIGHLY questionable sources. Or both. I HAVE seen stories of the tongue-in-cheek variety. I would take them about as seriously as the allegations that he's getting gay with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah:

Gorgeous Flowers | The Daily Show | Comedy Central

I'd also seen an allegation that Bush wanted to be in a threeway with Condi and Laura. That story was scooped by Robot Chicken:

YouTube - Bush as a jedi

but no, I've never (including up to today) seen any serious journalism piece indicating a relationship between Bush and Rice above and beyond a professional one.

 

[D_Kaye Throttlebottom]

I'd also seen an allegation that Bush wanted to be in a threeway with Condi and Laura. That story was scooped by Robot Chicken:

YouTube - Bush as a jedi

The was some funny shit.

 

[10.5andproudofit]

I don't know- I like an intelligent woman who is assertive- they are usually a lot funnier too.

relationships should be 50/50 for taking the lead. women who aren't assertive or men for that matter, cannot usually contribute that.

thats just how i like my relationships by the way- there's nothing wrong if other people prefer a different mix.

 

[Kallisti]

I'm not intimidated by strong women. In fact, i'm utterly turned off by weak women. In fact, i'm pretty much put off by weak, non-assertive people in general. I just don't understand how someone would let someone else get over on them in any way without putting up a fight.