are men too feminized?

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no, im not back tracking at all, my answer is "kind of" because i believe that is the case in some situations

yeah if i walk up to a chick with $100 asking her to give me a blow job, i'd probably get slapped in the face (or getting my penis sucked depending on outside factors)

but if i am a multi million dollar musician, i bet the kind of effort i would need to put in to get laid for the average woman would be a lot less because of my fame, i hope you're not THAT naive to think the world doesn't work this way

how do you think someone like flavor flav or donald trump get any kind of ass? they're obnoxious as hell and probably annoying... but they have fat pockets (flavor flav isn't even that rich) so its something that counter acts the negative for them

and idk where you're going with the rest of your little tirade, why are you so obsessed with trying to cause some drama dude? ... did you have a bad day or something lol

lol Didn't have a bad day or anything. I just hate it when people single others out to bolster their own pride or when they make blanketed...stupid comments. I don't care how rich a guy is, there are women out there that still won't sleep with them. Something you know for a fact which is why you put the kind of.

I kind of feel like i'm talking to a brick wall though.
 

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I don't mind the role reversal in the example 8barblues has given but in my surroundings there are just lots of I guess confused boys.

They identify as straight but wear skinny jeans pulled down below their cracks with a pink/purple boxer sticking out. And to compliment it even more they have to wear uggs on a hot summer day or wear designer flipflops.
They wear the latest glitter tshirts because girls say that's hot.

Friends who have been whipped by the gf and does whatever she says because it might mean he won't get laid that night.

So the only complaint I have is that a lot of men/boys these days betray their pride and personality to feel accepted by women.
They're just letting people control their lives.

i tend to see this a lot with the guys in my generation
 

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I don't mind the role reversal in the example 8barblues has given but in my surroundings there are just lots of I guess confused boys.

They identify as straight but wear skinny jeans pulled down below their cracks with a pink/purple boxer sticking out. And to compliment it even more they have to wear uggs on a hot summer day or wear designer flipflops.
They wear the latest glitter tshirts because girls say that's hot.

Friends who have been whipped by the gf and does whatever she says because it might mean he won't get laid that night.

So the only complaint I have is that a lot of men/boys these days betray their pride and personality to feel accepted by women.
They're just letting people control their lives.

I have to ask. If you see this happening and you feel it is the incorrect way to go about it. As others have stated. Why not be a mentor and teach them the right way to be? Why not take your large amount of knowledge and skill. Put it to good use and fix the problem that you and others see as growing?

After all isn't that what a masculine man does? Teaches. Looks out for the next generation. And is able to impart wisdom on the lost?

If "boys" in your everyday life have no clue how to act. Why won't you teach them? Why are you only stating your opinion on a website? What are you afraid of? (not only directed at you)
 

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lol Didn't have a bad day or anything. I just hate it when people single others out to bolster their own pride or when they make blanketed...stupid comments. I don't care how rich a guy is, there are women out there that still won't sleep with them. Something you know for a fact which is why you put the kind of.

I kind of feel like i'm talking to a brick wall though.

you're right, of course there are women who won't, but you're acting like people don't sleep with people simply for money. that's just foolish

and again, i didn't say anything to you negatively until YOU tried starting stuff with me, i am trying to end your little fight thing so we can get on topic, but you refuse to stop flaming for whatever personal ill feelings you have toward me... which is lame as hell
 

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Why is that men with the maturity of 13 year olds (and world views to match) constantly ask these stupid questions?

Then they start calling everyone pussies and women sluts and it takes off

hmmm

the guy who asks a question to open a discussion

or the guy who posts on the thread for no reason other than to try to fuck with people and ignoring the original post and making false claims of me calling other people pussies and women sluts

who's the mature one?

and for the record, i didn't call everyone pussies and women sluts

i only call someone a pussy when they're acting like/being a pussy

and i only call someone a slut when they're acting like/being a slut

you, sir, are just a douche, if you want to start a thread where people are going around trying to start dumb flaming fights to make yourself feel better, you have every right to do so, can you please just take the dumb grade school style name calling and arguing for a different thread?

if you have something to actually contribute to the convo, by all means, post your opinions. if you don't can you do me a favor and kindly fuck off?

thanks
 

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you're right, of course there are women who won't, but you're acting like people don't sleep with people simply for money. that's just foolish

and again, i didn't say anything to you negatively until YOU tried starting stuff with me, i am trying to end your little fight thing so we can get on topic, but you refuse to stop flaming for whatever personal ill feelings you have toward me... which is lame as hell

Oh we're on topic alright. We are on the topic of masculinity vs femininity. We are on the topic of men being feminized. I'm asking simple questions now. If you think things aren't correct why haven't you done anything about it?

Its not personal, not one bit. The only things i know about you are what you type on this forum so how could it be personal. You implied women could be bought so i asked you how much your mom/sister/aunt costs. You said men are too feminized these days so i stated how i feel, man to man about what you were saying. Not my fault you can't handle it.

Because the idea of what a masculine man is these days are men who can handle anything thrown at them. So whats the problem? Not masculine enough?

See its all well and good when you don't have to back up anything you say.

Sorry, for all those still wanting to discuss this. Just ignore ma postsesess :D
 
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Oh we're on topic alright. We are on the topic of masculinity vs femininity. We are on the topic of men being feminized. I'm asking simple questions now. If you think things aren't correct why haven't you done anything about it?

Its not personal, not one bit. The only things i know about you are what you type on this forum so how could it be personal. You implied women could be bought so i asked you how much your mom/sister/aunt costs. You said men are too feminized these days so i stated how i feel, man to man about what you were saying. Not my fault you can't handle it.

Because the idea of what a masculine man is these days are men who can handle anything thrown at them. So whats the problem? Not masculine enough?

See its all well and good when you don't have to back up anything you say.

for one, i don't think anything is really "correct" we just have actions, decisions and consequences that go along with them

and i don't feel the need to "correct" any other human beings behavior, they can choose to do whatever whenever they want, as long as they're not hurting anyone, live and let live

and i have no idea what the cost of my mom, aunt, (i dont have a sister) costs, i would never put myself in a situation to find something like that out (just thinking of it makes my penis soft)

and I never said men are too feminized, i asked the board what they thought about the article and my question, i recommend you stop doing what others here do and actually read and think before you post

my personal opinion is that i don't care, if men want to act like women they can do that all they want, it will only be beneficial to myself (thats when you got all butt hurt for some reason and started your little shit throwing contest, and i can't handle it? a funny little man, you are)

and i am backing up everything i am saying mane, you just have an issue with comprehension and you get all upset when i say common sense things like "rich and famous people get more pussy than their former poor and insignificant self"
 

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I think gender role stereotypes have never really fitted well with most people but in the past both sexes have gone along with them and acted accordingly.

Nowadays, these stereotypes have less validity or usefulness and they are abandoned by more people.

I don't think men are becoming more feminine or women are becoming more masculine. The gender roles are culturally more blurred. Androgyny is being more widely accepted or even desired in society.

These roles and expectations are cultural constructs and not really rooted in men and women.

I think the process of men becoming feminized in American society has been going on since the 1960's at least. American society has been profoundly changed by the Women's Movement, the LGBT rights movement, the Civil Rights Movement, the many wars we have fought over the years and still ongoing, the globalized economy and the general loss of American jobs, unemployment among men these days, and so forth.

There have been articles recently in the news that most couples have domestic or civil unions. Fewer people (I am talking about heterosexual marriage, the slogan of marriage between one man and one woman, we hear so stridently proclaimed these days) are getting married these days. Most marriages are more like partnerships, rather than the man being the head of the household.

Personally I think a man who has qualities of androgyny in his persona and bearing to be extremely attractive, particularly if his physique is male or masculine.

About a year ago, I began noticing a man at the coffeehouse I frequent for breakfast. He has the characteristics of the paragraph I have written above. His physique is definitely masculine and male. Yet he drips an androgyny that makes him absolutely adorable. Last August I noticed that he was wearing a wedding ring. He gave off vibes which set off my Gaydar. They still do! I thought he might be in a committed relationship with another man. Some weeks later, the barista told me that he's married and his wife was about to give birth.

Some weeks ago earlier this spring I saw his wife for the first time. She like him is professional, but she has a severity about her, a woman of ambition!

Now many years ago I discovered an example of sacred androgyny at the Episcopal parish I used to attend.

In the reredos behind the high altar at church is the large cross of the Crucified Christ. On the right is the Virgin Mary and on the left is St John "The Beloved Disciple". The Virgin Mary is depicted as having a male physique and male face where St John has a woman's body and a female face. Go figure!
 
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for me it's not a bad thing, i don't consider myself "feminized" and the way i see it, i want more men to be feminized because that leaves more women for someone like me to get. men don't realize that being all feminine won't get them women. if women wanted to date women, they'd be lesbian.

even sports are becoming pussified, its damn near illegal to hit someone hard in football, if you look at a ref wrong in basketball you get a foul, it seems like everything is just getting softer in society and im not sure its a good thing

i remember when i was playing pee-wee sports and seeing the kids getting sportsmanship trophies, and kids would even get trophies for just trying. i think this is adding to it all

How have you not understood yet that these things called cummmpuuuutters record stuff. You can stop with the flip flopping, back tracking and all around aholeness now. No one's buying it.
 

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I agree yet disagree with the point that men are getting more feminized. As a young man i can definitely point out contradicting lessons on how a man was supposed to act and conduct themself. I feel as though instead of saying they are becoming more feminized we really should be saying more sensitive.

I actually think it's the other way around. I think women have become mentally more equal to men in the sense of dominance and aggression. I feel as though women have a dual thought process running through their minds where there is the princess mentality combating the independent woman assertiveness. in essence they want a man to be a man and take control yet they want to tell them man how to be a man and with the strides that women have made in this recent century they are more vocal about what they want and what they think they want.

Men can no longer just be one way and that's they truth they have to be both sides of the coin both Masculine and Feminine in order to satisfy today's woman who has become both masculine and feminine. He needs to be more sensitive to her moods because the family unit is no longer structured on the male as the driving force, like in the 50's. If mama isn't happy she isn't told to just suck it up while her husband screws his secretary. Those days are gone. Women will take half of your assets and won't think twice. women will play the field have have no regrets about leaving her virginity behind. They've moved on and we need to understand that and follow suit. This doesn't mean give up your balls it just means be aware. The man that understands his new balancing act is the man that will appeal to the most women.
 
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I have to ask. If you see this happening and you feel it is the incorrect way to go about it. As others have stated. Why not be a mentor and teach them the right way to be? Why not take your large amount of knowledge and skill. Put it to good use and fix the problem that you and others see as growing?

After all isn't that what a masculine man does? Teaches. Looks out for the next generation. And is able to impart wisdom on the lost?

If "boys" in your everyday life have no clue how to act. Why won't you teach them? Why are you only stating your opinion on a website? What are you afraid of? (not only directed at you)

I have told these men/boys in my environment, but mostly they choose the possibility of pussy over pride and dignity.

Also it wouldn't be right to tell these men how to act properly as the focus would shift from them pleasing women to be accepted by them, to pleasing me to be accepted by me, which has also happened and gets me furious at times.
Young men looking for me for approval like I'm their daddy or older brother and even trying to defy me at times because doing it with their own parents or gf would cause them problems.

I like that my opinion is valued among my friends but these boys need to find acceptance within themselves and not some external force like pussy or a friend.
 

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Why do people keep saying "act like women". Thats like black people saying another black person is acting "too white" (articulate, driven, socially conscious etc). I never understood being critical of achievement in the black community nor do I understand being critical of genders adopting eachother's traits. Is there anything wrong with a woman who wears jeans and works as a plumber? Is there anything wrong with a man who stays home to raise kids?

Characteristics should not have a gender. If you are sensitive that doesnt mean you're acting like a woman, its is what it is. Are men becoming more sensitive, showing their feelings more, taking on equal responsibility around the house and with children? God I hope so.
 

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As for Bjen, I do think all women can be bought, but men aren't excluded.
We all have our pricetags, yes even my mother sister and future children.

The price isn't always money but yes I do believe everyone can be bought not just women.
 

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Womens are as childish as men so why talking about mens only as the change was only around them? I never saw womens so masculine like you see nowadays, you see them doing "mens" work, you see them in charge of any matters that used to be manly,isn't that making woman quite masculine too? If you had read my previews post here instead of chatting like you were in a cafe you know whats all this about.
If you use the feminine side of men as taking care of themselves then you should go back to 17 century where they used heels wigs and make up....
 
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hmmm

the guy who asks a question to open a discussion

or the guy who posts on the thread for no reason other than to try to fuck with people and ignoring the original post and making false claims of me calling other people pussies and women sluts

who's the mature one?

and for the record, i didn't call everyone pussies and women sluts

i only call someone a pussy when they're acting like/being a pussy

and i only call someone a slut when they're acting like/being a slut

you, sir, are just a douche, if you want to start a thread where people are going around trying to start dumb flaming fights to make yourself feel better, you have every right to do so, can you please just take the dumb grade school style name calling and arguing for a different thread?

if you have something to actually contribute to the convo, by all means, post your opinions. if you don't can you do me a favor and kindly fuck off?

thanks

You are immature, not because you insult people, but because your worldview is tiny. Because you think people that act a certain way are "pussies". Have you not yet realized you aren't the sole decider of that which is a pussy. And that most people don't really care what you think.

I wouldn't want you to confuse the "debate" you see in this thread for any sort of idea that your opinions might be shared by many (or at least those that aren't small-minded fucks). Most people have gotten over trying to categorize others into small boxes in order to make you feel better about yourself. I know you are going to deny that is what you are doing, but it is.

The idea that society will crumble because of "feminization" of "men" is absurdly offensive to anyone with a brain. The mere fact that it is happening is a demonstration of how it won't destroy society, rather, only how you perceive it in your narrow narrow way.
 

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I recently read this Are Women Feminizing Men? - AskMen article & thought it would be a pretty good & interesting question to ask here

Do you all think todays male is too feminized in today's culture? Why? Why not? Do you think it is a problem?

Share your thoughs :)


UNDERSTOOD........this article is right on. Also, Have you ever noticed that in commercials today, the man is always the dumbo and the woman is the smart one? Always....the men can build a house, but in his own house, he is inept. I have told my wife often, that the advertising today sucks.....its making men out to be losers...and giving women an unrealistic view of men/women relationships. If she ever talked to me like these guys get talked to....she can leave anytime. I am NOT putting up with it.
 

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To the OP:

Men aren't getting feminized. It's just that a lot of men who feel entitled to dominate all aspects of society are getting butthurt that women and gays are becoming more equal and therefore more say in how society operates going forward. These same men don't want to have to be aware of any other groups preferences, and only want to see those people as objects instrumental to their own pleasure.

Men who are of this persuasion are portrayed quite honestly in the media - out of touch, woefully unaware, and self obsessed.
 
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I have told these men/boys in my environment, but mostly they choose the possibility of pussy over pride and dignity.

Also it wouldn't be right to tell these men how to act properly as the focus would shift from them pleasing women to be accepted by them, to pleasing me to be accepted by me, which has also happened and gets me furious at times.
Young men looking for me for approval like I'm their daddy or older brother and even trying to defy me at times because doing it with their own parents or gf would cause them problems.

I like that my opinion is valued among my friends but these boys need to find acceptance within themselves and not some external force like pussy or a friend.


See this is what i don't understand. The classic definition of a man is someone that will do their best to make sacrifices for the whole. Someone who not only has knowledge but is willing to use it toward the well being of all those concerned. I was also under the understanding that a masculine man is someone that can't be shaken or rattled. Someone that will help "the weak". Because as the saying goes "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." right? Now i'm not agreeing with femininity being evil but you guys sure do.

The fact that you haven't done any of what you said needs to be done makes you part of the very "problem" you say existesesessses doesn't it?

Also, i have bolded something. Please re-read it. You might come to understand why you haven't acted.

All of this is about making the world as equal as we can and actually letting people be who they are. Not shoving some idea we have down someone's throat who isn't hurting anyone. Problem is, everyone's so afraid of ending up on the bottom that they try to fight for what they think they have.


Anyway, for every "feminine" guy/woman out there, there is a masculine or feminine guy/woman. I think the larger problem is both sides of the sex war coming to grips with the fact that roles really don't mean squat. Anybody can be damn near anything they want. Just because a guy wears lipstick doesn't mean he can't dominate in the bedroom and just because a woman loves flannel and can bench press a normal sized person doesn't mean she will.
 
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I dont understand what some "groups" preference has to do with anything. I could argue the point that some men of certain racial and ethnic strata have had the world by the bails for years and now they are on the decline because of better educated minorities or women, or gays...or whatever. That's also true, BUT from another point of view, it was their original opinion that these other groups were inferior to begin with, so they weren't allowed to participate in society on a more equal level. This had changed society...I think for the better. BTW, The Macho stuff is BS....I pattern MY life after Jesus....and NO i'm not preaching...just saying that there are all kinds of role models....choose yours wisely.

oh, and AZUL Jabali...thank you sir, for your eloquent dissertation!! Very well put! THATS what i'm saying about patterning myself after Jesus.....all of those traits were ones I both admire and try to emulate every day! I don't need to beat someone down to make myself feel better...I try to help others...all while being a man.
 
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