Are there any gay republicans?

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Please do tell where you are from that has been hurt so badly by the United States or Americans?
i replied with two valid examples... both within the United States and to Americans....

No. You didn't. You didn't reply, nor do so with anything even a remote resemblance of a "valid example".

I'm sorry to tell you, but I am of Cherokee descent (card carrying tribal member). A couple of my direct descendants were murdered by the government. Don't play that card. I'm fairly certain I have more justification to do so.

Slavery, while an embarrassment to this nation, is a fact we need to embrace, and learn from; Especially moving forward together as one people, AMERICANS.

I also have friends of direct Irish descent (you'd do well to research their plight in slavery, long after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed; which if any educated person reads carefully, didn't free one single person). Funny how none of them play that card.

Please stop your imbecilic comments.

You want to blame an entire country of people (Americans), with people from countless backgrounds, for something no person in current existence had one shred of control over.

You have the Native American "thing" correct. I am of Native American descent with a direct bloodline to murder by the government. Are you? I'll guess no.

Are you "African American"? I'm guessing not. Not all African Americans are descendants of slaves. LESS THAN 5% OF WHITE SOUTHERNERS OWNED SLAVES. Does this excuse it, NO, but it does go to direct rebuttal of your fucking lazy ass attempt to cry for something you were never a part of, nor ever suffered for in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

I AM a descendant of part of who you reference. The difference is I am educated and don't use it as a fucking crutch.

 

[deleted37010]

I AM a descendant of part of who you reference. The difference is I am educated and don't use it as a fucking crutch.

is it possible for me to have a different point of reference.... i believe you are both educated and a descendant.... doesn't change my view of civil rights abuses and human rights violations against two specific groups within the US who are Americans....by the US and Americans... which again... attempts to offer two examples that answer the question originally posed:
Please do tell where you are from that has been hurt so badly by the United States or Americans?

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

is it possible for me to have a different point of reference.... i believe you are both educated and a descendant.... doesn't change my view of civil rights abuses and human rights violations against two specific groups within the US who are Americans....by the US and Americans... which again... attempts to offer two examples that answer the question originally posed:
Please do tell where you are from that has been hurt so badly by the United States or Americans?

You are correct. Your views of "civil right abuses and human rights violations" cannot be discounted or disproved; or "argued away". They are a valid backbone of your argument.

What you fail to realize, is your specific forming of points of argument, while championing one "people" can just as easily and justifiably seen as blatant disregard/racism for another group. Your argument, has very valid argument, but you fail to realize those you leave in the dark. Irish (child and sex) slavery continued well into the 1900's (and socially accepted) long after African Americans were freed.

By your own reasoning and school of thought, you championing for causes you know nothing about aside from what you have read, makes you racist. (I don't mean that accusation, but by your own very logic, it technically fits.)

 

[deleted37010]

You are correct. Your views of "civil right abuses and human rights violations" cannot be discounted or disproved; or "argued away". They are a valid backbone of your argument.

What you fail to realize, is your specific forming of points of argument, while championing one "people" can just as easily and justifiably seen as blatant disregard/racism for another group. Your argument, has very valid argument, but you fail to realize those you leave in the dark. Irish (child and sex) slavery continued well into the 1900's (and socially accepted) long after African Americans were freed.

By your own reasoning and school of thought, you championing for causes you know nothing about aside from what you have read, makes you racist. (I don't mean that accusation, but by your own very logic, it technically fits.)

let's add Irish (child and sex) slavery into the charges against the US
you've added to my knowledge

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

let's add Irish (child and sex) slavery into the charges against the US
you've added to my knowledge

The most prevalent form was factories & sweat shops; with a close second (kind of one in the same) being child slave labor (as they were sent into mines as well). Not too far behind was sex trade. You may want to reach out to your "diverse" friends a little more to learn. It's sickening.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

let's add Irish (child and sex) slavery into the charges against the US
you've added to my knowledge

And I don't know why you'd "smile" about that. My Cherokee ancestors murdered many men (of many races, on many different occasions) simply of "something". I'm not proud of it by any means because it can easily be called self defense, but damned if we don't try to learn from mistakes.

 

[deleted37010]

And I don't know why you'd "smile" about that. My Cherokee ancestors murdered many men (of many races, on many different occasions) simply of "something". I'm not proud of it by any means because it can easily be called self defense, but damned if we don't try to learn from mistakes.

i support allowing tribes the authority to arrest and detain non tribal members.... one of those bad things we enacted a long time ago... that is still in effect... with real consequences for victims of domestic violence or rape.....and no consequences for the perpetrator
also... aren't native americans the racial group most often killed by police? that's another thing we're doing that's bad....
the US and its treatment of native americans... still has a long way to go...

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

i support allowing tribes the authority to arrest and detain non tribal members.... one of those bad things we enacted a long time ago... that is still in effect... with real consequences for victims of domestic violence or rape.....and no consequences for the perpetrator
also... aren't native americans the racial group most often killed by police? that's another thing we're doing that's bad....
the US and its treatment of native americans... still has a long way to go...

No sir. You are incorrect. No Native American has any more or less right to detain or arrest any individual than you do. Now, this varies from state to state, but generally speaking, any individual has the same legal authority to arrest another for the commission of a felony (the only difference is cops have equipment).

Please don't start quoting DM violence statistics. I've been in law enforcement since 2003, just recently leaving.

Natives can only be arrested (while on tribal land.... federal property), by a tribal officer with probable cause, or in the presence of another law enforcement official with a warrant. Off of tribal land, - all offenses are fair game, although tribal authorities must be made aware of the arrest at the earliest possible convenience.

I'm more than willing to engage in healthy debate on the matter, but please, at a minimum, have the slightest comprehension of the subject which you wish to debate.

 

[deleted37010]

No sir. You are incorrect. No Native American has any more or less right to detain or arrest any individual than you do. Now, this varies from state to state, but generally speaking, any individual has the same legal authority to arrest another for the commission of a felony (the only difference is cops have equipment).

Please don't start quoting DM violence statistics. I've been in law enforcement since 2003, just recently leaving.

Natives can only be arrested (while on tribal land.... federal property), by a tribal officer with probable cause, or in the presence of another law enforcement official with a warrant. Off of tribal land, - all offenses are fair game, although tribal authorities must be made aware of the arrest at the earliest possible convenience.

I'm more than willing to engage in healthy debate on the matter, but please, at a minimum, have the slightest comprehension of the subject which you wish to debate.

your post was so well constructed... i obviously don't have your degree of comprehension.... so i hate to point out that i said non-tribal members can't be arrested or detained by a tribal authorities...

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

White americans are fucking psychopaths

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

A comission of all countries sit down and vote to decide if the american invasion was against international law, and conclude that indeed it was not - it was an illegal war - but then an american who had too much fun killing "sand niggers" (as you people call them) tries to convince me that the whole world was begging for this genocide. Your own intelligence agency concludes there was no reason for the invasion, but you want to believe so much that you didn't act immorally that you decide that they were faking reports against their own best interest. People around the world protested loudly, american flags were burned in 9/11 for so much were our disgust over your invasion, but you keep telling yourself that you don't understand the reason and that we actually loved your aggression war. What can I tell you to foment second-thoughts on your cruelty?

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

your post was so well constructed... i obviously don't have your degree of comprehension.... so i hate to point out that i said non-tribal members can't be arrested or detained by a tribal authorities...

And I hate to point out that you are wrong. Nice try though! Yes, they most certainly can.

You see, tribal police officers are federal law enforcement officers with all arrest powers for anyone on tribal land, to include non-natives. In addition, any law enforcement officer outside of federal land (not including "Feds") has the authority to detain and arrest natives, but a federal agency must always be notified of the arrest.

You are awarded an "A for effort"!

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

A comission of all countries sit down and vote to decide if the american invasion was against international law, and conclude that indeed it was not - it was an illegal war - but then an american who had too much fun killing "sand niggers" (as you people call them) tries to convince me that the whole world was begging for this genocide. Your own intelligence agency concludes there was no reason for the invasion, but you want to believe so much that you didn't act immorally that you decide that they were faking reports against their own best interest. People around the world protested loudly, american flags were burned in 9/11 for so much were our disgust over your invasion, but you keep telling yourself that you don't understand the reason and that we actually loved your aggression war. What can I tell you to foment second-thoughts on your cruelty?

You're funny. It's almost sad. Bless your little heart. Where are you from? Where do you live? What is your lineage?
Or are you embarrassed to say?

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

A comission of all countries sit down and vote to decide if the american invasion was against international law, and conclude that indeed it was not - it was an illegal war - but then an american who had too much fun killing "sand niggers" (as you people call them) tries to convince me that the whole world was begging for this genocide. Your own intelligence agency concludes there was no reason for the invasion, but you want to believe so much that you didn't act immorally that you decide that they were faking reports against their own best interest. People around the world protested loudly, american flags were burned in 9/11 for so much were our disgust over your invasion, but you keep telling yourself that you don't understand the reason and that we actually loved your aggression war. What can I tell you to foment second-thoughts on your cruelty?

However, your racist rant is rather unattractive. Please relax and try to be more accepting.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

You're funny. It's almost sad. Bless your little heart. Where are you from? Where do you live? What is your lineage?
Or are you embarrassed to say?

I'm a brazilian, live in Brazil and descended from palatine germans. I have never murdered anyone for living, and so no matter what I do, where I'm from and who I descended from, I will never have as much reasons to be embarrassed as you should.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

However, your racist rant is rather unattractive. Please relax and try to be more accepting.

I will never be accepting of the mercenaries of an illegal war. Being intolerant of imperialism is not bigotry.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

I'm a brazilian, live in Brazil and descended from palatine germans. I have never murdered anyone for living, and so no matter what I do, where I'm from and who I descended from, I will never have as much reasons to be embarrassed as you should.

I'm Native American and Welsh, actually. So, calling me racist simply because I'm a military combat veteran who decided to serve the country in which I was born is rather..... racist. Bless your heart. It's ok sweetie. I understand.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

I will never be accepting of the mercenaries of an illegal war. Being intolerant of imperialism is not bigotry.

I will never be accepting of idiocy. I'll pray for you.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

I'm a brazilian, live in Brazil and descended from palatine germans. I have never murdered anyone for living, and so no matter what I do, where I'm from and who I descended from, I will never have as much reasons to be embarrassed as you should.

So..... you descend from Palatine Germans. And I'm a racist imperialist warmonger. Now THAT is funny.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

So..... you descend from Palatine Germans. And I'm a racist imperialist warmonger. Now THAT is funny.

I guess than we should take back the tens (possibly hundreds) of millions we gave Brazil in foreign aid. You may want to tell your government not to have over $193 billion in U.S. Treasury bonds. Silly you!