Are we nearing a new American Revolution?

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  1. MercyfulFate

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    I personally don't think it will go that far, but it's pretty entertaining that the dumb-dumb's of the nation who loved Bush (Worst president ever) are basically calling for death and destruction, bringing guns to Obama's speeches, spreading lies and doing the SAME THINGS they lambasted the liberals for doing during Bush's years!

    Now you've got all these militias basically ready to do something. This video is from Faux News, but interesting nonetheless.

    YouTube - Gerald Celente on Fox Business The Second American Revolution has Begun

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvPG0jLIOao&NR=1


    Could it happen? I forsee major riots coming, between unemployment, corruption, wall street, birthers, deathers, etc. something will snap.
     
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    Get the fuck out of here with these regurgitated stereotypes.

    A person exercising their rights by carrying a firearm does not constitute a "gun nut." Every single one of them I've seen on the news the past few days has been better educated regarding both the rudiments of our nation's laws and history and the currently debated issues than the vast majority of the peanut gallery here and elsewhere. Not loud, not abrasive, not menacing...and certainly not braying idiotically amorphous fears like these goddamned Astroturf protesters.

    You'd do well to take a long, hard look at your own thoughts on firearms ownership and usage...because if it does devolve into an armed revolution, you might find yourself up shit creek without any paddle.
     
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    Funny that you just put words in my mouth creating a straw man and utterly dismantling your argument from the getgo.

    1. Never said gun nut, I own guns. I support the 2nd amendment, HOWEVER bringing firearms to town-hall rallies with politicians is incredibly idiotic.

    2. I know my thoughts on firearms, and that was a tiny portion of what I was saying. You went off your rocker on this one and missed the point completely.

    Here's some more on our nation's dumb-dumbs:

    Texas public schools now required to teach the Bible

    "As of the 2009-2010 school year public schools in Texas are now required to offer a high school elective course on the literature of the Bible and history of that era. House Bill No. 1287 explains that the course “must be taught in an objective and non-devotional manner that does not attempt to indoctrinate students as to either the truth or falsity of the Judeo-Christian biblical materials”. It goes on to say that schools can add courses on other religious texts if they would like, but only the one on the Bible is required.
    Regardless of the guidelines the bill attempts to place on schools/teachers (such as mentioned above), this decision is bias in favor of one particular religious text. A philosophy class would be acceptable and is something much more important to teach than just one religious text. This shows favor to one religion and indirectly promotes Christianity."

    Add another stick to the raging inferno that's coming our way.
     
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    I always love the double-standards from the left.

    It is ok to sterotype a white man (in this case "gun nuts") but your the scum of the earth if you sterotype a minority race or woman.

    And then they protest Bush talking about the evilness of torture and how many innocent people he killed yet hold Che Guevera in high regard after what he did...
     
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    Read again dillweed, I never said gun nut. Jesus fucking christ, have you people passed goddamn motherfucking elementary school?

    This left versus right crap needs to go. For the record, I'm not even a liberal. It just so happens the right-wing are the ones up in arms over propaganda and stupidity at the moment. If all their arguments had intelligent reasons, I might agree as I disagree with a bunch of things Obama has done.

    Once again: READ FIRST. Not have a knee-jerk reaction.
     
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    I'll say it: Someone toting an AR-15 to a political rally is a gun nut. It's damned creepy.
     
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    It's incredibly stupid is what it is, regardless of legality. There are people making threats on Obama's life, is taking your gun to a rally to fight against non-existent Obama designed gun control really worth it?
     
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    I'm sorry, but even with the right to bear arms there's still no real reason why anyone would bring an armed weapon to a Town Hall Debate regarding Health Care, or to a Presidential rally.

    Growing up in the 'hood where there was always a fear of someone getting shot, I can tell you from experience that it brings an extra level of unnecessary drama and stress to everyone. I don't care how articulate a gun owner is when explaining the Second Amendment. There's a level of simple, everyday common sense that should be used here. There is no life threatening problem at the Town Hall Debates. And there should be no life threatening issues when our President speaks.

    And look at the majority of people who came strapped? YOUNG PEOPLE. Gee, you worried that grandma is going to take you out at the knee-caps over Health Care? Are we REALLY becoming this paranoid in this country? Damn... maybe you all could learn something from people who grew up in the ghetto. :rolleyes:
     
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    sorry Mercy. The left hypocrisy and sterotyping lately was building to that explosion.
     
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    I guess it makes sense that I grew up and went to school in a fairly downtrodden city with a huge gang problem. I own my firearms because I like going to the range, and in the possible case of a break in/assault (hopefully it never happens).

    But see how they lashed out and automatically said "gun nut" and "left" with there being no reason for either? Because you disagree with the Republicans doesn't make you a liberal, and vice versa.

    This whole Left v. Right thing propagated by the media and the ignorant masses is destroying this country. I'm seriously ashamed to be American lately.

    Fair enough. I guess I lumped you in with Hazel, I was just surprised he threw gun nut in there when I didn't say it.

    I agree, the Democrats and Liberals are hypocritical as hell too. Goldman Sachs destroys the economy with others, and Obama hires them to his cabinet? Or when he wanted to remove troops from Iraq ASAP and then changed it a few times? Changes his stance on Guantanamo? etc. etc.
     
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    I love laughing at the sensationalism of the right.
    Keep on fabricating. :smile:



     
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    I grew up in a rather rough neighborhood in Boston that had its share of gun & gang violence, and not once ever had to own a gun. Perhaps I'm lucky. Then again, I don't walk around in public looking or acting like I have a pair of indestructible balls, wearing a month's mortgage payment around my neck alone or around disgruntled, poor people who don't have and will do anything to get. And I don't walk around paranoid, desperately trying to avoid a confrontation that will probably never happen.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with owning a gun. However, I think you and I agree that the people who are "exercising their rights" to be strapped at Town Hall Meetings are just not using their brains wisely.

    I know... and it's really getting played out.

    Agreed.

    There's only one thing that would truly make me ashamed of being an American. I won't go into detail about it, but given the discussion over guns I think you might know what it is.
     
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    Boston huh? I'm from Western Mass. Springfield, MA is....to be a nice a rather horrific city. People waiting to get into bars get shot by gang members who've never practiced their aim.

    Yeah bringing a gun to a town hall meeting is incredibly stupid. I mean between JFK, RFK, MLK Jr. and the attempt on Reagan...it's insensitive at the least, incredibly dangerous at the worst. What if someone accidentally fires?

    These people claim they're exercising their rights, do that some other time. Of course they'll say then that we're limiting when they can do it....but come on.

    I can't believe the police didn't have an issue with this. They tear gas and beat protesters for singing kumbaya and being peaceful!
     
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    While Obama has certainly done wonders for sales of guns and ammunition, the past week's mini-hysteria over the supposed growth of right-wing militias is due almost entirely to propaganda issued by the Southern Poverty Law Center, and has no clear basis in fact.

    The SPLC is basically an anti-First Amendment group, which simply classifies anyone saying anything its directors don't like as a member of a "hate group" - a very convenient and flexible concept, and one which has made its directors a boodle of money. This latest development shows a growing alliance between anti-First Amendment and anti-Second Amendment activists, though it's not yet clear who's driving that unholy union. It might have a central origin, or perhaps it's more distributed, and originates with the usual anti-2nd A. suspects. The fact that the Brady campaign and the Violence Policy Center are ever-ready to wade in with their prepared factoid sheets is not by itself evidence that those organizations are the prime movers in this case.

    In short, I don't think there's anything in it. It's all part of the recent primacy of the Politics of Stampede - "Oh shit! Another crisis! Won't somebody do something!" Mere noise and fury, signifying nothing.
     
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    Yeah that's entirely possible, however it's not even just about the militias. It's about the mobs of crazies who believe death panels exist, Obama was born in Kenya, or screaming at Town Halls "OBAMA IS SCARY! GLEN BECK IS RIGHT!" "GIVE ME BACK MY AMERICA!" when the very people and policies THEY supported (Bush, Big Business, etc.) are the ones who CAUSED THIS MESS.

    Now they all blame Obama who inherited the whole problem. They're losing their minds and it started with the hilariously ironic tea party stuff.
     
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    No, you never said "gun nut"...but if you want to be really pedantic about this, I never claimed you did, now did I?

    You seem perfectly content to toss together a handful of pejoratives (many of which aptly apply to the extremists on the right) along with the fact that some participants chose to exercise their right to bear arms...are you seriously going to have us believe your intent was not to conflate them all as a single bogeyman? Since you don't have any problem ascribing words and behaviors to those not actually responsible for them, I'm a bit surprised at your umbrage in my succinct condensation of your adjective phrasing.

    You're entitled to your opinion that their choice to be armed was idiotic, but that doesn't make it so. What I have a problem with are all those other behaviors you implied were theirs by association.



    As much as my largely atheistic/agnostic and libertarian viewpoints would love to join your denigration of my state legislators as "dumb-dumbs," perhaps you should have researched the text of the final measure that was actually passed and signed into law before you started any stone throwing:


    Were you saying something about strawmen? :rolleyes:

    Cheap shots aside, I think you and I probably see eye-to-eye on a lot of the issues. I'd just really prefer that people operate on the facts and leave the reactionary emotional rabble-rousing out of the picture.
     
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    That was a lot of wording for "I was wrong and I apologize", yeesh.

    I mean everything you just said changes nothing. So sorry.
     
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    I sincerely hope you're being funny...because if that was the meaning you gleaned from my post...wow. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ahem...
     
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