Are we nearing a new American Revolution?

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Firearm enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. My mother is a firearms enthusiast, so is my stepdad, and I have two stepbrothers that are "gun nuts". My mother's first husband was a firearms enthusiast (gunsmith) and my father's best friend is one (gunsmith) as well.

I have also known many other firearms enthusiasts in my life outside of my family and have spent many hours at ranges hanging out with other firearm enthusiasts that I did not know personally.

I have known a LOT of "gun nuts" in my life. As a child, I was fascinated by firearms and nobody in the neighborhood had a larger toy gun collection than I did (I grew up in the Chicago area). I loved all things war and was obsessed with WWII and Vietnam as a lad.

I have a love of guns in my heart.

Now as an adult, I am much more in tune with the motivations of other people and what drives them to be who they are in life.

"Gun nuts" have a coldness in their heart... I don't know where it comes from, but it is there. I sense this coldness in my own mother who is supposed to be a "saint" in my mind right? She has a coldness and lack of empathy that I don't understand... I mean, she obviously loves her boy, but her lack of empathy is startling. I moved to live with my Dad at age 15, so I guess I never really knew her completely...

She is cold and will put a bullet in your heart, but she is only five feet tall, so I gather that her coldness stems from the fear that she has felt all of her life from being small... closed case.

Now my stepdad can be fairly racist... not in overt way, but just a mistrust and misunderstanding of black folk and no desire to get to know them. I wouldn't call him a racist, but I wouldn't refer to him as "post racial" either.

Does his gun enthusiasm stem from a mistrust of brown and black people? It sure might.

The "Death Wish" movies were HUGELY successful in the 70's and audiences cheered wildly whenever Bronson would snuff a criminal's life. The backdrop of rising crime rates and decay in urban cities served as a welcome mat for future vigilantes like Bernhard Goetz. An almost hysterical fear of inner cities and street gangs gripped the country in the 80's and into the 90's. Racial tensions were again high as fuck in the early nineties with the L.A. riots taking place on everyone's televisions and pivotal movies like "Do The Right Thing" gracing the silver screen.

Fuck, my own grandfather sits by the door late at night with a rifle so that he can get a good shot at any possible intruders!

My Mom's former husband and my Dad's best friend are both gunsmiths and share a love for weapons that was born out of stints in the military and hunting as teenagers.

Have I heard them both use racial slurs from time to time? Yes.

My two stepbrothers are "gun nuts". They are also Glen Beck fans and Hannity freaks... Limbaugh is their God. They are racists plain and simple.

I have never met a black gun enthusiast... I know that they are out there, but I have just never met one. The gun range in Georgia where my Mom goes is chock FULL OF RACISTS and people who would GLADLY put bullets in the heads of liberals... they have anti-Obama propaganda plastered all over their shop.

All I am trying to say is that firearms enthusiasts by and large are not a bunch of sweet and loving people. MANY of them have a deep seated hatred of brown and black people and MANY of them have a serious hatred of liberals as well.

I don't trust many gun enthusiasts to be "good" people. Now that doesn't mean that all gun enthusiasts are the enemy of liberals and progressives, it just means that like around 65% (VERY unscientific figure) of them are the enemies of the left.

Many gun enthusiasts simply have a baseless fear that the government is evil and own guns to protect themselves and their family from the inevitable "New World Order".

I am afraid that those people are now the enemies of the Obama administration and of liberals and progressives everywhere.

I am scared, but not too scared... me thinks that one of these right wing gun enthusiasts needs to go too far and actually shoot some people in order for the rest of the country to wake the fuck up to this growing menace.

Americans don't seem to do shit about anything until people start to die.
 

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Firearm enthusiasts are an interesting bunch.

Americans don't seem to do shit about anything until people start to die.

That was interesting. really.

The enthusiasts I know are like this:
I know quite a few punk enthusiasts. Very well armed, and a couple are really good shots. Ahh.. beer, firearms, and the woods. Good times.

I know some Northern Idaho non-racists. They really despise their neighbors now, but moved up there like 15 years ago when they were conservatives. I guess 15 years of reading can change people substantially.

Ahh... assault weapons, and junk pits with busted dryers, dead cars and 1500 rounds of cheap Chinese Ammo. Good times.

I don't know any racist gun nuts... but I know they probably are a large majority.

I also know quite a few Libertarian gun nuts, but i have never fired with any of them, although I have seen their collections.

I am scared, but not too scared... me thinks that one of these right wing gun enthusiasts needs to go too far and actually shoot some people in order for the rest of the country to wake the fuck up to this growing menace.

Or someone will assassinate Obama, and reich wingers will says stupid shit on TV and youtube, and we'll get a race war.

and Ive never met a black gun nut either, but I am damn sure they exist in large numbers.
 

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Your bias'm is shining brightly.

I personally don't think it will go that far, but it's pretty entertaining that the dumb-dumb's of the nation who loved Bush (Worst president ever) are basically calling for death and destruction, bringing guns to Obama's speeches, spreading lies and doing the SAME THINGS they lambasted the liberals for doing during Bush's years!

Now you've got all these militias basically ready to do something. This video is from Faux News, but interesting nonetheless.

YouTube - Gerald Celente on Fox Business The Second American Revolution has Begun

YouTube - Obama Declares Prolonged Nazi Detention, WTF? American Militias the NRA & Youtubers are pansies.


Could it happen? I forsee major riots coming, between unemployment, corruption, wall street, birthers, deathers, etc. something will snap.
 

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Yeah that's entirely possible, however it's not even just about the militias. It's about the mobs of crazies who believe death panels exist, Obama was born in Kenya, or screaming at Town Halls "OBAMA IS SCARY! GLEN BECK IS RIGHT!" "GIVE ME BACK MY AMERICA!" when the very people and policies THEY supported (Bush, Big Business, etc.) are the ones who CAUSED THIS MESS.

Now they all blame Obama who inherited the whole problem. They're losing their minds and it started with the hilariously ironic tea party stuff.

So, is it going to be 4 years of "it's not my/our fault"??? Last I checked, there's a Democrat led House for the past 3 years. The economic downturn is mostly due to the housing bubble, just like the tech bubble in 2001... it happens, Bush didn't cause it, and Obama and big gov't can't save it. It's the 'circle of economic life'. To think a president has that much to do with an economy is folly, much less naive.
 

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the repbs are to much fun to watch now that bush is gone....................strap on yer .45 we's a going to a townhall meet'n.
 

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What's new? When the Republicans can't win on issues (which is rarely, if ever), they resort to fear-mongering, hatred, and in this case, the threat of violence.

We're seeing history in the making. The disintegration of the Republican party from a national power to a Southern regional power.

Just look at the poll numbers...the only people left supporting the Repubs are the uber rich and undecuated Southerners.
 

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An interesting take on the rise of Militias:
Troubled History

08.18.09 -- 12:15PM
By Josh Marshall
As we track the escalating number of incidents of right-wing fringers bringing guns to Obama events or other health create town hall events, we are, unsurprisingly, seeing various conservative websites mocking the public concern. "Oh, those Dems, they go all wobbly just because a few upstanding citizens show up with legal firearms." Call it the new girly-manism, it's a sign that Democrats are so many political panty-waists because they've never seen the gun culture up close or just get easily rattled......

Troubled History | TPM
 

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Texas public schools now required to teach the Bible

"As of the 2009-2010 school year public schools in Texas are now required to offer a high school elective course on the literature of the Bible and history of that era. House Bill No. 1287 explains that the course “must be taught in an objective and non-devotional manner that does not attempt to indoctrinate students as to either the truth or falsity of the Judeo-Christian biblical materials”. It goes on to say that schools can add courses on other religious texts if they would like, but only the one on the Bible is required.
Regardless of the guidelines the bill attempts to place on schools/teachers (such as mentioned above), this decision is bias in favor of one particular religious text. A philosophy class would be acceptable and is something much more important to teach than just one religious text. This shows favor to one religion and indirectly promotes Christianity."
I am very much surprised that such a thing would ever pass into law. It was my impression that the people who want to get Christianity into public education strongly oppose teaching the Bible in a secular fashion: doing that might get students thinking about it as a historical document subject to critical interpretation rather than as the inerrant revealed word of God.

The writer's argument that the decision "shows favor to one religion and indirectly promotes Christianity" because it is "bias [sic] in favor of one particular religious text" is idiotic. That would be analogous to objecting to the inclusion of Shakespeare in the English curriculum because it is biased in favor of one particular literary author. Shakespeare gets special attention in the English curriculum not only because of the widely acknowledged merit of his work but because its influence in literary culture has been greater than that of any other author in the language. The Bible, whatever you think of its (highly uneven) literary merits, is the single most influential text in the culture of the United States and of the Western world. That is sufficient reason to include an elective course on it in the curriculum, provided that it is taught in the fashion specified.

Now there could, for all I know, be some devious gimmick behind this law that would make it something different in effect from what it looks like on paper. But I can't see any legitimate objection to the letter of it.
 
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I live in Virginia. You can legally strap a gun (unconcealed) to your side and walk down the street without a permit as long as the gun is legal and you are not a felon. what's funny is, most people who live here don't know the law. The local thugs like to stick the gun down their pants...concealed. That's against the law. These knuckleheads loose their right to carry a gun before they even knew they had it.

As far as carrying a gun to a presidential meeting....that's more than dumb, because sooner or later, somebody from the secret service is going to get nervous and start shooting. These guys are highly trained, and they don't miss.
 

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As far as carrying a gun to a presidential meeting....that's more than dumb, because sooner or later, somebody from the secret service is going to get nervous and start shooting. These guys are highly trained, and they don't miss.
I saw an interview with a dumbfuck who had a gun strapped to his leg at a Presidental event. I'm totally surprised that the SS didn't bust his ass. It was on video, totally out in the open.
 

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What we're asking then, all militias aside...

Is it possible that the United States will enter into civil war?

If so would it be a velvet revolution?

or

Would the armed forces of the federal government willfully attack the people of the United States if so ordered?

If you're going to have a revolution then everything comes down to the loyalty of the military forces and the leader charged with ordering them into combat. Remember that the Buchanan allowed seven states to seceed, taking their federal forces and material with them, and Buchanan did nothing to prevent it.

Texas claims a right to secede, but that right was not recognized by Lincoln nor by the Constitution, which is silent on the right of secession.

Hawaii has good claim to right of secession as does Vermont.

Military might is not everything. Get enough pissed people and maintaining control is next to impossible no matter how good your army is IF you can keep that army intact and if you can fight international opposition.

It wouldn't surprise me if this country does break-up at some point in the relatively near future. I'm not betting on that, but it would not surprise me. My guess is we'd see a secessionist party gain control in the south and midwest, displacing weak Republican and Blue Dog Dem parties. As the bloc gained power the very opposition to such an idea by the remaining states would actually help their cause by solidifying the secessionist-minded into one bloc. At that point, deals would brokered and we'd likely have a velvet divorce put in place and monitored by an international diplomatic alliance.

If we talk of revolution, let's talk about it seriously.
 

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I saw an interview with a dumbfuck who had a gun strapped to his leg at a Presidental event. I'm totally surprised that the SS didn't bust his ass. It was on video, totally out in the open.

Let me be sure I'm understanding you correctly: you're totally surprised that in the United States of America, a citizen did not have his "ass busted" by the secret police for behaving in a manner that is guaranteed to be legal by the highest law of the land?

Wow...eight years of Bush's draconian fearmongering has really fucked up the civic mindset of this country. :no:

And are you asserting that the person was a dumbfuck simply because he was armed? Or was there some actual statement he made that leads you to this conclusion?
 

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I always love the double-standards from the left.

It is ok to sterotype a white man (in this case "gun nuts") but your the scum of the earth if you sterotype a minority race or woman.

And then they protest Bush talking about the evilness of torture and how many innocent people he killed yet hold Che Guevera in high regard after what he did...

Hold on there, cowboy. There are many sides to the life and accomplishments of Che Guevera. Most 'Mericuhns only know the 'Mericuhn revisionist history of Che's life. Here's a suggestion: 1 Learn Spanish; 2 Read several biographies in Spanish not published in the USA; 3 Go to Argentina; 3 Pay a visit to the town where he was killed in Bolivia by "white men"; 4 Don't believe everything you read written and printed in USA-produced history books.

All history is subject to suspicion, but learn to think, reason, and understand the world outside your spoon-fed current view. You'll be a better person for the effort.
 

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Let me be sure I'm understanding you correctly: you're totally surprised that in the United States of America, a citizen did not have his "ass busted" by the secret police for behaving in a manner that is guaranteed to be legal by the highest law of the land?

Wow...eight years of Bush's draconian fearmongering has really fucked up the civic mindset of this country. :no:

And are you asserting that the person was a dumbfuck simply because he was armed? Or was there some actual statement he made that leads you to this conclusion?

Hazelgod, oddly I don't remember the Secret Service allowing anyone near El Presidente Arbusto (George W. Bush) in a public gathering legally carrying a gun within his rights. Also I vividly remember that folks who showed up to hear Bush disseminate his Opie-like wisdom at public events were, by and large, invited and screened so there was no chance he would be distracted by citizens legally gathering and asking questions he didn't like.

My favorite Bushism: (paraphrasing, of course) "The reason the French aren't as successful as the USA is because they haven't got a word like entrepreneur`"

One hopes those days are over.
 

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It is ok to sterotype a white man (in this case "gun nuts") but your the scum of the earth if you sterotype a minority race or woman.

Yes, we've already taken local news to task for only showing minorities in a negative light for decades. How soon do we forget? Better yet, how nice that we can conveniently forget so that you can hold onto your own stereotypes about "the left"?

You make this WAY too easy. :rolleyes:
 

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He's a n_ _ _ _ _not from America taking away our liberties!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] :yikes: I hope to God you aren't serious.
I personally don't think it will go that far, but it's pretty entertaining that the dumb-dumb's of the nation who loved Bush (Worst president ever) are basically calling for death and destruction, bringing guns to Obama's speeches, spreading lies and doing the SAME THINGS they lambasted the liberals for doing during Bush's years!
Now you've got all these militias basically ready to do something. This video is from Faux News, but interesting nonetheless.

YouTube - Gerald Celente on Fox Business The Second American Revolution has Begun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvPG0jLIOao&NR=1


Could it happen? I forsee major riots coming, between unemployment, corruption, wall street, birthers, deathers, etc. something will snap.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately I expect the same. :frown1: I'm not sure when, but the fear and hate mongering is growing exponentionally.
I always love the double-standards from the left.
It is ok to sterotype a white man (in this case "gun nuts") but your the scum of the earth if you sterotype a minority race or woman.

And then they protest Bush talking about the evilness of torture and how many innocent people he killed yet hold Che Guevera in high regard after what he did...[/QUOTE] :eek:fftopic:

I'll say it: Someone toting an AR-15 to a political rally is a gun nut. It's damned creepy.
I agree. :yup:


It's incredibly stupid is what it is, regardless of legality. There are people making threats on Obama's life, is taking your gun to a rally to fight against non-existent Obama designed gun control really worth it?[/QUOTE] No, it is not.
 

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Military might is not everything. Get enough pissed people and maintaining control is next to impossible no matter how good your army is IF you can keep that army intact and if you can fight international opposition.

It wouldn't surprise me if this country does break-up at some point in the relatively near future. I'm not betting on that, but it would not surprise me. My guess is we'd see a secessionist party gain control in the south and midwest, displacing weak Republican and Blue Dog Dem parties. As the bloc gained power the very opposition to such an idea by the remaining states would actually help their cause by solidifying the secessionist-minded into one bloc. At that point, deals would brokered and we'd likely have a velvet divorce put in place and monitored by an international diplomatic alliance.

If we talk of revolution, let's talk about it seriously.

The revolution will come from the right. And... most of the military is right wing. It will be a looong time before there is actual revolution. It first will manifest itself as mass killings/shootings. The government will try to crack down on guns, which will only further inflame the right. The military, many times, will refuse to confiscate. Any kind of compulsory vaccinations can also be the tipping point.

And I hate to say it, but faceking, for all his stupidity, is right about one thing: The United States is by and large center-right. This is a sad, sad political reality, but true. It has always been that way, and probably always will be. And the far right wing, I would guess, outnumbers the far left by a margin of 2:1. It's majority racist, homophobic, and pro-war... any war is good enough for them.