Are we nearing a new American Revolution?

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AllHazardi, the Scots are NOT a race of people. Are you kidding me?

Plus, I am not talking about the goddamnm SCOTS, I am talking about the Scots-Irish and if you don't know the flipping difference between them, then why the heck are you interjecting?

By your standards there is a race of Italian people and a race of Polish people, am I supposed to take you seriously?

As I said, even if you don't consider it a race or racism, the exact same behavior goes on regardless; exclusion, stereotyping, unfairly good or ill treatment, unfairly good or ill selection for positions. Just because we don't flag it as the same thing, doesn't mean it's not just as bad.


EG, Everybody hates the French. Everyone treats the French, on average, with a regard of a certain stereotype in which the French are happy to oblige and represent. Even the French(especially those descended of those tossed out), hate the French.

In the end, none of it matters fuck all because the French hate everyone.

We say racism and segregation are bad, but in truth, the world could work perfectly fine in a segregated way; So long as treatment is fair and equally available between them- All segregated areas are equally maintained, presentable, clean, and receive completely equal service at completely equal cost. In truth, the world could've worked out just fine without anyone trying to take in and accept other viewpoints; so long as the treatment and interaction is not unfair based on the segregation. So, in truth, the segregation itself is only bad in the sense that less people in less diversity groups are interacting overall; less sharing of ideas, so overall slower advancement. In the long term, removing segregation was the overall more beneficial solution; segregation was effectively outlawed in the 1960's, although technically Jefferson already declared that in the Declaration of Independence 184 years prior, "All men are created equal" - men being the plural of man. The same result came about with women's suffrage, "men" in previous statement reinterpreted to include women, and moving us a little bit closer to the same interpretation and spirit it was written in. A time prior, the same result came about with the slaves, and so on.

So in the long run, eventually the phrase "All men are created equal" will mutate into "All humans are created equal". Interaction with other sentient species would inevitably lead to "All beings are created equal". Then inevitably out of respect for non-sentient life(After all, it's possible it could eventually evolve into sentience, and be considered a being), it will become "creatures", and when we understand more about our reality, probably change to "things".

The bad just happens to force the system to change for the better or die off such that it may be cannibalized and a better system may thrive. Inevitably, no matter which way you choose to act, either aiding in oppression, or aiding those seeking freedom and equality, eventually after a certain point, the system is forced to change or die off by the hand of the echoes of its own decisions. The longer oppression is continued, the greater the pressure becomes, and the more violent and bloody the revolution which breaks it. Given the technological might encompassed by the current world powers and criminal organizations, the next time the pressures come to bear, we will have a simple choice on our collective plate. That choice is either to respect equality, and CHOOSE to make a truly EQUAL society work such that we reap the massive benefits it presents WITHOUT losing INDIVIDUALITY in the process, or it is to disrespect equality, and take our chances with whatever may come to pass.

Whether or not they are even genetically tied, a group of individuals which live in the same region, have similar beliefs, states of mind, culture, and reproduce amongst each other is a society. Given sufficient time and cause for physical evolution(mutation, nutrition-based, or otherwise), these individuals would eventually be either selected into their own race based on their environment(isolation whether intentional or unintentional), or selected into another society and intermingled.

So what I'm saying is that treatment should be equal regardless of race, likewise as should judgment. By considering every individual of unique geneology a "race", unfair treatment to ANY individual is covered by the stigma of "racism".

What this means is that tests should not use information or examples which are of culturally-specific knowledge. Officers should treat individuals as individuals without regard to color. If you must use diversity-identifying variables(eg skin color, descent, name, class, age, gender, nationality, affiliations, fame), those variables must be eliminated from consideration in any action taken by an equal and impartial society.

Don't hate the scots-irish gun nut who is causing problems, hate the individual who is choosing to cause problems. Don't hate the young black mugger in New York, hate the individual who is choosing to physically harm and steal from people within territory governed by the principles of equality. Don't hate the greedy white pig who's destroying lives to line his pockets with the labor of others, hate the individual who's choosing to deny the right to happiness, health, or freedom to others.

On that note, overall, rather than hate, we can say that they are individuals too, so instead of hate, how about we build an outlet for the so-called "problem". If there are people who want to harm, maim, and possibly kill other people, put them in an environment where there is voluntary participation. If there are people who want to use wit to slash at another person's emotional fortitude, put them in an environment where there is voluntary participation. The former would be Colliseum-style arena, the latter would be a rap/insult stage fight.

Even if there are people who want to seek out, stalk, and kill others, if the environment created for it is VOLUNTARY and contained, it is covered by the rights of freedom of the individuals in question. In a tribal culture, the same individuals who would be serial killers in civilzation are considered dangerous, but valuable soldiers. So long as they don't turn on their own, they're valuable.



So in the end, we get a choice, and that choice determines which way we go. It's like a Karma version of Judgment Day, just without the exterior influence(It's all us, baby).
 

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AliHazzard: But the only reason segregation & racism are even used by people is so they can assume some level of superiority over the other. Even in a system where every race is separated from each other and are forced to live without any kind of racial integration, there will still be a struggle over whom will govern or assume the role of authority. That in itself is a form of segregation.

On paper, it may seem that there's an extraneous scenario where this may work. But in reality, there's no way it could. There will never be a society where everyone is treated as absolute equals. However, we could make the differences between the classes so miniscule that it's very close.
 

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AliHazzard: But the only reason segregation & racism are even used by people is so they can assume some level of superiority over the other. Even in a system where every race is separated from each other and are forced to live without any kind of racial integration, there will still be a struggle over whom will govern or assume the role of authority. That in itself is a form of segregation.

On paper, it may seem that there's an extraneous scenario where this may work. But in reality, there's no way it could. There will never be a society where everyone is treated as absolute equals. However, we could make the differences between the classes so miniscule that it's very close.

The point was that like many things, it's not inherently bad, it's how it's used. After all, you don't see anyone fighting for removing the segregation of bathrooms. A segregated but equal system can work so long as the government(the hand of equality) is in fact equal and acting in a neutral non-biased way. Likewise, authority is enacted by equal representation of all segregated groups.

The only thing that prevents a society where everyone is treated as equal is saying there will never be a society where everyone is treated as equal. The inception of the United States is rooted in the ideal of a society of equals, without class deviation, and the principles of equality are forged into every aspect of its "living documents" as originally written by the founders. In truth, to return to those ideals, we wouldn't need to change anything in the documents; just follow their word a little bit better.
 

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The point was that like many things, it's not inherently bad, it's how it's used. After all, you don't see anyone fighting for removing the segregation of bathrooms. A segregated but equal system can work so long as the government(the hand of equality) is in fact equal and acting in a neutral non-biased way. Likewise, authority is enacted by equal representation of all segregated groups.

The only thing that prevents a society where everyone is treated as equal is saying there will never be a society where everyone is treated as equal. The inception of the United States is rooted in the ideal of a society of equals, without class deviation, and the principles of equality are forged into every aspect of its "living documents" as originally written by the founders. In truth, to return to those ideals, we wouldn't need to change anything in the documents; just follow their word a little bit better.

I disagree to some level...
IMO, our Founding Fathers did not devise the Constitution with the concept of treating everyone in America (at that time) as equals. As the "Birther Debate" inadvertently eludes to, certain provisions were created in order to establish who were protected under these rights and who weren't. A number of subsequent Naturalization Acts helped redefine rights as basic as citizenship to "free white persons", ignoring slaves, and even the Native Indian who was there before they (or their ancestors) sailed over from the East. Many other rights were never granted to women until much later.

In theory (and imagery), the Constitution is a great document to establish the concept of equality. It needed several amendments and some touch-ups along the way but I think most people understand its importance. Sadly, the one thing the Constitution cannot fix is the concept of wealth. And since our country is divided harshly along those lines, where the few wealthy people maintain it and the majority of the poor never obtain even a reasonable fraction of it, that makes it even harder for us as a nation to come together. It's hard to preach equality when someone who is born in the strife & struggle that is poverty has to compete and survive against someone who was raised in a culture surrounded by prosperity... as our current Health Care debate (and even the issue of Education) "inadvertently eludes" to.
 
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I disagree to some level...
IMO, our Founding Fathers did not devise the Constitution with the concept of treating everyone in America (at that time) as equals. As the "Birther Debate" inadvertently eludes to, certain provisions were created in order to establish who were protected under these rights and who weren't. A number of subsequent Naturalization Acts helped redefine rights as basic as citizenship to "free white persons", ignoring slaves, and even the Native Indian who was there before they (or their ancestors) sailed over from the East. Many other rights were never granted to women until much later.

In theory (and imagery), the Constitution is a great document to establish the concept of equality. It needed several amendments and some touch-ups along the way but I think most people understand its importance. Sadly, the one thing the Constitution cannot fix is the concept of wealth. And since our country is divided harshly along those lines, where the few wealthy people maintain it and the majority of the poor never obtain even a reasonable fraction of it, that makes it even harder for us as a nation to come together. It's hard to preach equality when someone who is born in the strife & struggle that is poverty has to compete and survive against someone who was raised in a culture surrounded by prosperity... as our current Health Care debate (and even the issue of Education) "inadvertently eludes" to.

Actually, every law enacted since the baselines of "Equality" were written down is essentially redundant given that consideration according to violation of equality of "Life", "Freedom", and "Pursuit of Happiness" covers everything you can possible do to harm or interfere with other people. Every amendment made was written because someone thought they needed to make a change; but in truth, every change made has only changed the interpretation of the basic inalienable rights; what they are, who gets them, and what punishment is proportional to what level of breach. We've gone from "Free men are created equal" to "Men are created equal" to "People are created equal" and it will keep developing as it needs to in order to encompass more individuals. Just because "man" in COMMON speak of the time meant "free male", doesn't mean the founding fathers in their masonic basis meant that specific definition. "Man" is also used to describe "Mankind".

It's the spirits and ideals of the documents we've wandered from, and it's the spirits and ideals of the documents which can solve many of our problems. How far you choose to champion Equality is exactly how far it goes, because in nature, equality does not easily happen of its own accord.
 

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In fairness to the rich white guys who founded the country, some were adamantly for the abolition of slavery as part of the independence movement while others were not. It appalled John Adams no end that blacks would not be emancipated by the independence. Ben Franklin admonished Adams that the abolitionists were men, not Gods, and could only do what they were capable of doing. The vote for independence was moved to be a unanimous vote. Either all colonies voted for independence or there would be no independence. Just one dissenting southern colony could sink the entire ship and eventually Adams and his faction realized that abolition simply could not happen no matter how much they wanted it.
 

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Actually, every law enacted since the baselines of "Equality" were written down is essentially redundant given that consideration according to violation of equality of "Life", "Freedom", and "Pursuit of Happiness" covers everything you can possible do to harm or interfere with other people. Every amendment made was written because someone thought they needed to make a change; but in truth, every change made has only changed the interpretation of the basic inalienable rights; what they are, who gets them, and what punishment is proportional to what level of breach. We've gone from "Free men are created equal" to "Men are created equal" to "People are created equal" and it will keep developing as it needs to in order to encompass more individuals. Just because "man" in COMMON speak of the time meant "free male", doesn't mean the founding fathers in their masonic basis meant that specific definition. "Man" is also used to describe "Mankind".

It's the spirits and ideals of the documents we've wandered from, and it's the spirits and ideals of the documents which can solve many of our problems. How far you choose to champion Equality is exactly how far it goes, because in nature, equality does not easily happen of its own accord.

This is exactly the foundation of common law and part of its indelible brilliance. It is, I think, the greatest contribution to western civilization that Britain has ever made.
 

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We may be getting close to the second american revolution. Even the Declaration of Independence states that when a government is perpetrating various usurpations (of the non-trifling kind), we are not only empowered to over-throw said government it is our solemn duty! The last 3 presidents, current being 3rd, have turned our government into a behemoth. We have federalized 2 trillion in debt, just by firing up the presses in the mints. The current is spending like a drunken sailor, and creating more czars than we have ever had, one of them is a self-avowed communist.
True freedom means you are free to live and die, prosper and fail. ie. there are no safety nets with true freedom. Thomas Jefferson said,"Any government big enough to give you all that you want, is strong enough to take all that you have." We need to get shut of this attitude that governemnt should be covering your life.
 
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We may be getting close to the second american revolution. Even the Declaration of Independence states that when a government is perpetrating various usurpations (of the non-trifling kind), we are not only empowered to over-throw said government it is our solemn duty! The last 3 presidents, current being 3rd, have turned our government into a behemoth. We have federalized 2 trillion in debt, just by firing up the presses in the mints. The current is spending like a drunken sailor, and creating more czars than we have ever had, one of them is a self-avowed communist.
True freedom means you are free to live and die, prosper and fail. ie. there are no safety nets with true freedom. Thomas Jefferson said,"Any government big enough to give you all that you want, is strong enough to take all that you have." We need to get shut of this attitude that governemnt should be covering your life.

Spending, in itself, is not the problem. It's what we're spending it on that makes the difference. Saying that we shouldn't invest in our own country's welfare will not fix anything. It'll just lead to million of regular people (not just failed corporations) to rot.
 

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Nope, there's no radical revolution going to happen in the US of A. Chomsky's fun read Manufacturing Consent explains in great detail how "the revolution" was and continues to be in it's last stages, as well as gives a handy blueprint for even keeping Sarah Palin in line.

The Revolution happened four decades ago when the truly intelligent American scholars who didn't dedicate part of their lives working for the Trilateral Commission to develop a professional network were all marginalized and publicized as "kooks." Chomsky being a good example.

The "official" current 'Mericuhn way of life is to be as undereducated as possible so the biggest problem the voting masses have to worry about is when Miley Sirus's next album will come out and why Paula Abdul will or will not walk from her job on some TV show. Need more proof? Faux Not News Network. Hasn't anyone noticed that Sean Hannity uses comely, ultra-thin fresh-from-their-sorority-girl-types as "expert pundits" to squeal in high pitch tones about how everything Obama is working on is bad and that those who disagree are either more misinformed than the skinny just minutes out of political science or broadcast journalism school pundits-in-training are?

No, once the tit jiggle faux news became accepted as "real" in the homes of those over 65, it became quite clear "The Revolution" was finally over.
 
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True freedom means you are free to live and die, prosper and fail. ie. there are no safety nets with true freedom. Thomas Jefferson said,"Any government big enough to give you all that you want, is strong enough to take all that you have." We need to get shut of this attitude that governemnt should be covering your life.

Yes, however the function of our government is to Protect those freedoms, so whether a person Lives, Dies, Prospers, or Fails is NOT by the hand of any other individual but the individual in question. Likewise, our government is there to protect individual equality of Life (not dead or dying; in good health) and Happiness (Locke used property, which gives a better idea how to deal with it; Property is essentially a means by which a prospective happiness is obtained by an individual through possession of any entity or object not covered by the basic rights of Equality).
 

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FACT: RUPERT Murdoch an unelected Australian Who practically owns The American Media...VOICED his opposition to OBAMA prior to His Election.

The republicans if you noticed seems to be the ones responsible for the

1.Vietnam WAR
2.Both GOLF WARS
3.Supplying WITH ARMS TRUCKS etc..and some of its party members suchs as henry Ford OPENLY SUPPORTED ADOLF HITLER EGENICS programs
4.SPONSORING THE HILTER YOUTH IN THE 1930'S

5.Befriending SADAM HUSSEIN, GADAFFI and via the Bushes The BINLADIN family. not to mention dozens of other corrupt regimes Having made their Money Turning on them and as a consequence THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT AMERICANS DYING IN POINTLESS WARS.

6 DRUG DEALING WITH THE CONTRAS and other S. american Facists

7.Bankrupting The UNITED STATES ..twice !!

ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE FACTS.

SO TELL ME ..... WHO ARE THE NATIONAL SOCIALISTS? THAT BELIEVE IN IDEOLOGIES.


Obama is dangerous becuase HE WANTS DEMOCRACY. NOT THE "FREINDLY"FASCISM OF THE REPUBLICANS.
 

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Well, what WOULD happen if THIS American revolution were to happen? Race wars? Overthrown government? What are the outcomes? Does acting out on immense anger actually solve anything?

There is a reason for all of the hype. Maybe people should rethink WHY are they hating? Hating hasn't done the nation any good. Hate is unfair.

Think about it. Let's say an all-out race war happens. Usually happens with a catalyst...or a series of events. There is a race war. Segregation by government force. Segregated schools. Curfews. More loss of Constitution rights. Maybe severe legislation with regard to the right to bear arms.

Think about it. What if there were a severe overthrow of the government? (Think that would be impossible to do. VERY IMPOSSIBLE.) And the creepy factor would be-- WHO would want to rule and to control Americans? How could you control and manipulate Americans? The possible answers are staggering if you really thought about the whole thing.

And I think that the more anger people have...the more it blinds peeps towards seeing the true scheme of things. Yeah, we have a problematic economy. What are signs of a healthy economy? We want every American working. We want to be healthy. We want to have a future again. Then we have to honestly look at our situations as they are and face the problems instead of arguing over a lot of nothing.



 

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RACE WAR!..sOME PEOPLE ARE so nieve, which is why American is 12 Trillion dollars in debt!.

You seem to forget the majority of the worlds population is not WHITE or of European origin.. Any nazi types in the states who fancy such an Adventure

Would result Americas Debts being called in in an instant..Why is it that most of white America seem to thinks it runs the world!??? its hilarious.:biggrin1:


In short the world would be a much better place if America was truly up holding of the values it professes too..instead constantly electing idiots who take those values and do their utmost to destroy them. The only people who get rich are thease Idiots you elect for president and there friends. its the old trick . and it still works.

BECAUSE THEY SELL THE MAJORITY of White Americans some "myth"
about entitlement.

FACT is the more Democracy spreads throughout the Globe..The more competiton there will be and as a consequence the more even the spread of what wealth will be distributed among more people..since that weath has value becuase its limited..,the effect will be your average person will be poorer regardless of all the wars...or other bs politicans spin.

So the choice my friends is simple... CHOoSE some sort of neo-democracy and the possibilities there in.
in the medium to long term of solving some serious global issues.

OR CHOOSE Neo-Facism wHICH WILL SIMPLY mean poverty, war,genocide..more war ..destruction of the global economy for centuries

to come...possible global nuclear war.

Its TIME WE ALL GREW UP FAST!
 

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Who knows what comes after... I doubt people will even care. All that I know is that when things get really ugly, when America, the most depressed nation in the world finds itself poorer than it has ever been... when they find out their government has been lying about the entire economy, as crooks at wall street beg for more money.... When a nation full of sexually frustrated young men finds out the American dream is definitely nto even close to ever becoming a reality for them.

...and the Mexicans who are third world, and don't give a fuck, black people can either starve or resort to crime, because the elite certainly don't care about them....

It's really going to be an amazing time. I guess I should be glad I am going to be alive to witness it... but I wish I could have just got a career and shit.

Oh well... I am prepared for whatever fate brings.

No amount of pleading online will help, no amount of pleading with anyone will help. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a set up. They set up 9-11. They set up everything. Rockefeller has admitted he wants a one world government, and Bill Clinton admitted he went to a Bilderberg group meeting in 2006. Even if everyone suddenly believed all the zany conspiracy theories, they would only be in the torture of being helpless. Hell, crazy Alex Jones said they would use a terrorist attack in June of 2001, as did Bill Cooper, who was killed less than a month after 9-11 by plainclothes officers at his home.

And the H1N1 stockpiles. Ever since 9-11... man, it was obvious, soemthing wasn't right. Then we got afghanistan, adn Iraq, and all that PATRIOT Act shit

then the bailouts... And I know there are millions upon millions who feel very much at ill ease right now. And there is the government and media completely sugar coating the real economic numbers. And it is so crazy, I am not even sure if they are simply doing it for political points, or if they are doing it to make the shock even that more terrifying to the American peopel when the market crashes hard. I don't know.

Spending, in itself, is not the problem. It's what we're spending it on that makes the difference. Saying that we shouldn't invest in our own country's welfare will not fix anything. It'll just lead to million of regular people (not just failed corporations) to rot.

really, if they would spend it on something worthwhile. I mean, where is the solar and wind power apollo project? Why is he tackling healthcare first? The stimulus had hardly any real infrastructure... it was just a bunch of pork slapped with the label stimulus. We could have got out of this. we could haev even spent our way out of this.... but not by giving it to the banks.
 
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We may be getting close to the second american revolution. Even the Declaration of Independence states that when a government is perpetrating various usurpations (of the non-trifling kind), we are not only empowered to over-throw said government it is our solemn duty! The last 3 presidents, current being 3rd, have turned our government into a behemoth. We have federalized 2 trillion in debt, just by firing up the presses in the mints. The current is spending like a drunken sailor, and creating more czars than we have ever had, one of them is a self-avowed communist.
True freedom means you are free to live and die, prosper and fail. ie. there are no safety nets with true freedom. Thomas Jefferson said,"Any government big enough to give you all that you want, is strong enough to take all that you have." We need to get shut of this attitude that governemnt should be covering your life.


the gov has been able to take everything you have since 1969, 40 years later they still can only now they can do it with out people noticing or suspecting

in that FOOLISH thread about militias i pointed out several times and will again, any one with ordenance in the ammouts to threaten the government is observed, and in many cases supplied by surplus as a modern day minute men type thing. a predator unmanned spy plane can drop a missle from 1 mile in the sky that is as quiet as a car engine and can enter a building through a door with out touching the frame. an infared bug can hear by vibrations against glass 20 feet away and can monitor from the same plane a mile up. and what ever the FCC controled network president tell bill o'reily OR the kids on MSNBC to say, they say, and the public believes

buddy..... its good you have your heart in the right place, but if the gov you're so afraid of wants to take back the everything they gave you, you're nothing but another story of a "tragic house fire" on the news man.