Oncamale28
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..probably, and probably will only get worse. Our current "leadership" apparently belives that repeatedly poking a stick in the beehive is the best way to "flush them out" ....
..probably, and probably will only get worse. Our current "leadership" apparently belives that repeatedly poking a stick in the beehive is the best way to "flush them out" ....
Update here on Glasgow...
BBC NEWS | Scotland | Blazing car crashes into airport
Comical thing is seeing the stereotypical Glaswegien take matters into their own hands & give the driver a pasting
This is just a guess, but I'm guessing that the attacks (implemented and successful), attempted attacks (implemented but thwarted), and planned (but not yet implemented) attacks will continue in western countries, as long as those western countries are trying to occupy and rule the middle-eastern countries. If we leave 'em alone, maybe just maybe, they'll leave us alone.
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
Although some Western foreign policy probably doesn't help the situation, it isn't the cause of the problem.
The problem is a bunch of retarded morons with their fucked-up superstitions. Don't try to rationalise it, because these people are not rational - anyone who tries to kill innocent people for the sake of their beliefs doesn't deserve any respect or attempt at rationalisation.
What we need to do is attack their beliefs directly, to show how completely moronic they are.
Yes, that's going to work, tell irrational people they're moronic.
Aha, you spotted the flaw in my argument! Damn!
Well what do you suggest?
:biggrin1: If I had the answer.....
Ultimately, in terms of Christianity vs Islam; short of one side totally eliminating (or converting) the other - and in fairness over the last 1500 or so years that's certainly been attempted by both sides without success, that seems unlikely.
Failing that, tolerance, on all sides would seem to offer the only long term solution. How that's acheived is of course the $64 question.
Whoa! Who mentioned Christianity vs Islam?
I was talking about the stupid ideas of a death cult who want to wipe out everyone who disagrees with them.
Yes, sorry, I was momentarily back in another thread. :redface:
In the context of this thread what I meant was 'western culture' which to be fair is broadly Christian. I don't think it's as entirely simple as they want to destroy us because we disagree with them, after all, hardly anyone agrees with them.
Either way though, the basic problem still stands, they eliminate us, or we eliminate them. Given our attempts so far all we're seemingly able to do is make them more irrational and militant so that strategy seems flawed.
In the end Humans need to grow up in order to achieve solutions to our problems. If we're unable, or unwilling to do that then the result will likely be unpleasant, for all of us.
I'm not so sure. I think that anyone would recognise that suicide bombing is complete unacceptable and treat it as the disgusting crime that it is.
I think what I'm trying to get at is people who try to excuse it or explain it by saying Western foreign policy is to blame. Not that I think Western foreign policy is perfect, but I think this is a not the main cause, and it is a distraction from the main issue, which is that this death cult should be stopped by attacking its ideology directly, not through appeasement.
Where did I say it was acceptable, or is it because I didn't explicity say it was unnacceptable you assume I thought otherwise? If I did think that, do you seriously think I would bother to debate the issue here?
Well, I didn't say that Western foreign policy was the cause. While I do think it's a major factor, I don't believe it's the only cause by any means. Whatever people's views on the horror of indiscriminate violence the current strategy of 'tit for tat' violence is unlikely to end in a permanent solution any time soon. The last 50 years should tell us that.
But, the strategy of attacking the ideology is already being followed - isn't that obvious? The other obvious thing should be that this strategy isn't, based on the evidence, achieving much beyond causing the sort of incidents that lead to this thread.
To change that cycle of causality it would appear a new strategy is needed. That strategy may necessitate doing things deemed unnacceptable to many on both sides. I'm not sure either, but I can't help but think that risking that is preferable to more decades of such atrocities.
The only way to end trench warfare is to abandon the trenches.
You didn't say it was acceptable, but a previous poster said "If we leave 'em alone, maybe just maybe, they'll leave us alone." which I believe is the wrong attitude.
Actually I agree with most of what you say. A couple of points I'd make are:
(A) the ideology is not being attacked strongly, at least it is not obvious to someone like me in the UK. Of course whenever there is an attack the government attacks it, but how are these ideologies being spread in the first place?
(B) You say Western foreign policy is a major factor. Well who defines major? And do you believe that if the West disengaged completely in the Middle East there would be peace? Also how does Israel fit into that?
Ok that's a lot of questions, but I think that current Western foreign policy is certainly not the main cause of the problem (historical Western policy is a different matter entirely but that is not within anyone's control any more).
OK, as you cited my comments when saying so I inferred what you said was directed at me.
How did you find out about them....?
See below for the first.
No, I don't though I believe it may help. Israel has big boots, one could argue that maybe it's time to see if it can fill them? Of course it's hard to be sure how much restraint the US truly enforces on Israel's behaviour and were it to adopt such a 'hands off' strategy what the result would be. I suspect it may leap one way or another rather than carry on as it is now as that clearly isn't working either.
Never mind what the response of Iran et al may be to an truly independent Israel. Personally, I think Iran may be more hot air than real intent but naturally it's hard to be sure of that.
The likelihood of any of this happening any time soon is negligible of course, so the cycle continues. Historical extremism and hatred and ignorance on all sides lies at the root of many of these issues, contemporary western foreign policy now largely just fans the flames it ignited decades ago.
Well, as you say it's a factor but not the main one, so you clearly have an idea how much of one it is, so who defined how much of one it was for you?