Are women as VISUAL as men???

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  1. yongdo

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    I'm doing research for a film going into production later this year which deals with male/female sexuality and I thought I'd ask this question here (where I feel LPSG members are quite in touch with their own sexualities).

    So how do you feel (men and women): Are women as VISUAL as men when looking at someone?
     
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    The women here at lpsg are not normal in any way. We fit no normal female stereotype about sex. Our demographic here is a small slice of the normal average female population.

    I am very visual, always have been. But all of my senses are incredibly heightened, from taste to smell, sounds, etc. So i think thats why. I'm definitely sexually visually stimulated. Sometimes from the most simplest of things after all the hardcore things i've seen, nothing typically porn turns me on. But maybe a flash of my husband walking naked through the room or watching him take off his shorts. Yummmmm
     
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    I am very visually stimulated. MademoiselleRouge is correct that the women here will be more open minded regarding sex, and more vocal about their likes and dislikes, but there is research that has shown that women are aroused by visual stimulation, even when they self-report that they aren't responding to it:

    Why Don't Women Watch More Porn? - Women and pornography - Jezebel

    I always thought that people have gotten the idea that women aren't visually stimulated because it used to be so unacceptable for women to look at or buy porn that they just didn't do it. I don't think it was lack of desire necessarily, but social pressure that kept women from it, so polls were falsely skewed to suggest that women didn't enjoy or need visual stimulation, when it was just that women weren't socially allowed to enjoy visual stimulation.

    Regarding my own personal preferences. I do enjoy porn and especially gay men's porn. The men tend to be hotter than in straight porn. Plus, two guys are better than one. Aside from the visuals, the actors really seem to enjoy themselves more realistically in gay men's porn than in straight porn. I hate unconvincing acting in my porn.

    I also love the galleries because I am also aroused by photos. I don't masturbate while looking at the photos, but I do think about them when I masturbate. I think I've mentioned only 9,999 times that I particularly love Ryan_8's gallery. His photos are like little snapshots of a cocksucker's fantasy. I do love sucking cock. It's my favorite gallery on LPSG.
     
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    Count me in for a bit of visual stimulation. I think the majority of women are visually. But as Petite says, in the past women have been programmed not to admit to being turned on by it.
     
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    Indeed, good caveat MR, because we are the sort of women who come here to look... I am a visual artist as well, so the visual might perhaps signify more to me than the average female. This may not be the place to get the answer to a question about men versus women in general.

    I do however deal in the written word, erotic romance. There the writers who are most successful are those who are able to evoke a vivid sense of setting which includes easy visualization of as many details as possible. OTW the erotic romance differs from mere erotica by the evocation of emotions, which is better achieved by detailed visual description.

    Romance in general is replete with much more detail for place setting and evocation of mood, and is considered a 'woman's' genre.... perhaps if visual pornography were more concerned with overall setting and less with gymnastic extremes, women would resort to it more.
     
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    Wow. Thank you guys for the start of a great discussion!

    What about other than porn? For example what about in real life situations. Do you women feel you check out other people (guys or girls) as much as males would?
     
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    This is a subject of great interest to me, so here are some more articles that may help you more than polling the women of LPSG. We are not an accurate representation of the general female population. That's because we're so awesome. :wink:

    Are more women OK with watching porn? - CNN.com

    Women Have A Complex Relationship With Porn - Porn ultimatums - Jezebel

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html_r=3&pagewanted=all

    This is a long article on the relationship between desire and visual stimulation and the research on this subject.

    I'm most interested in Dr. Chiver's research into male and female arousal by visual stimulation. Very fascinating. She discovered that women do physically respond to a variety of images of sex and violence, as well as images of animals mating, but often do not experience desire at the same time. Her studies include measuring women's responses to violent scenes, and descriptions of rape, and she has found that women do become physically aroused but do not experience desire. She theorises that this is an evolutionary response to our more violent past, the protective necessity for women to be physically ready for sex in case of rape in order to prevent oneself from becoming injured, and how certain imagery generates that unconscious physical response. In other articles I've read about Dr. Chiver, she makes the important distinction between consent, desire, and physical arousal.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/fashion/12bisex.html?ref=fashion&pagewanted=all

    This article discusses Dr. Chiver's research that found that while women are visually stimulated, straight women are affected more by images of sensuality regardless if it contains any actual men in them, than they are of men in non-sensual images. Sensual imagery of landscapes for example aroused the women in the study more than non-sensual imagery of hunky men, as measured by a device that measures blood flow to the genitals.
     
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    My God this is so close to the theme of the project. Thank you Petite for the articles. You (and the other women on this board) ARE awesome!
     
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    Are you talking sexually? Or just in general?

    I do think women check out men and women as much as guys do. I just don't think we do it in the same way. I mean, if I see an attractive guy on the street, I will take notice. I may even talk to my friends about him. What I don't do is stare at the guy for too long. (Unless I'm wearing my sunglasses, then I can pretend that I'm looking past him. :tongue:)

    I do the same for attractive women.
     
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    I find that so arousing when a straight women admits to liking gay male porn, even though I'm not real into gay porn in general (sometimes, though).

    So many straight men keep their women from truly enjoying watching what turns them on (not saying all straight women are into gay porn). But it's ok if a man watches lesbian porn. Go figure!
     
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    I think im a very visually stimulated person. I will perv at men and women searching for something about them which is sexually appealing. It could be something as obvious as great boobs on a woman or something as mundane as watching a mans Adam's apple move as he speaks.
     
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    That is NOT what the article was inferring. The interesting thing here is that women get turned on by SENSUAL images. NOT that women are basically gay or bi.

    So a ballet dancer in tights doing graceful jumps across the stage while showing bulge, his strong body, his butt, his power, his grace on and on are bound to get many women excited whereas a nude male just lumbering across the beach like a Neanderthal or a guy pm'ing a dick-pick will NOT get the intended reaction.
     
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    Hi. I'm not referring to any article.:rolleyes::biggrin1:
     
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    AS much as we like to assume male and female brains are the same, they arent. And when given imagery or sexual experience and brain scans at the same time, different parts of our brain light up, it's not conscious its a subconscious reaction based on which part of the brain is lighting up.

    The brain that is responsible for conscious thought is a different section than the primitive, subsconscious brain where our thoughts can run wild and play a role in odd things we can imagine, for example, in our dreamstate we can't quite explain when awake.

    There is much still left to be understood, but we do know the male and female brain have distinctly different neurotransmitting when it comes to certain subject matter. I'd be looking into frontal lobe and sexuality.
     
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    Sometimes, if I watch porn to masturbate too many times in a row, I cannot climax without the same level of visual stimulation. It takes me days to re-sensitize myself. I have a syndrome which causes me to have more testosterone than I need, which is probably why I'm so horny. I wonder if it's the same reason that I have those brief jags of porn addiction.
     
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    I think the general answer is probably "No". But it remains to be seen how accurate it is, and how honest the women surveyed are.
     
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    You are correct about this. Research has shown that there is a huge difference between physical arousal and lust. One is cognitive, the other is physiological. Arousal is not consent.

    That's part of what is interesting about Dr. Chivers research on women's desire. Her method of measuring conscious desire and physical arousal to visual stimulation simulataneously differentiates between conscious and purely physiological responses. Visual imagery wherein women reported both desire and showed physical arousal vs. physical arousal with the absence of desire demonstrate which imagery cause women to respond with actual desire and which images cause that primal protective response.

    Both straight and gay men responded only to the expected imagery, and neither responded to the images that generated physical arousal without desire in women, which strengthens the theory that such a physiological response is a evolutionary protective need to prevent injury in case of rape. The higher the sex drive in men, the more polarized their responses, the less likely a gay man would respond to videos of heterosexual sex, or a straight man would respond to images of homosexual sex, but sex drive in women had no affect on arousal in women. Both gay and straight women with high sex drives still physically responded to straight and gay porn.

    The same study done with trans women found that they responded like men. This implies that these responses are hard-wired into women's and men's brains from birth and are not the result of cultural influences.

    Dr. Michael Bailey has done MRI scans of gay and straight men and women while they veiw a variety of pornographic photos. He looked for whether areas of the brain that are responsible for inhibition are triggered by any of these groups during the experiment. He found none in any of the groups. This suggests that culture doesn't actually affect an individual's enjoyment or lack of enjoyment of porn, just whether they view it.

    The neurotransmitters I think you are talking about are called oxytocin and vasopressin. They both work in male and female brains, but it is believed that oxytocin, the neurotransmitter responsible for loyalty and faithfulness, operates much more strongly in women's brains than in men's brains because of its relationship with estrogen. Our first weekend in bed together, in post-coital bliss while we lay sweating and grinning like fools at each other, I told TheBoyfriend about the research on oxytocin and vasopressin, the interesting results from the prairie vole experiments, and their roles in bonding and relationship forming and how they're released during sex. Months later, he told me that was the moment he was sure that I was "the one."
     
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    I can't speak for everyone else but i know i am VERY visual.The only thing that comes with that though is that i seem to scrutinise everything and it sometimes isnt a good thing.

    I don't 'get off' watching porn,infact i find it incredibly boring as i always think to myself things like....Oh that sofa is nice though i think it would look better is a different colour....instead of gawping at the guys wanger i look at his shoes and think 'nope they don't suit him'.....'oh her lipstick is a nice shade'.....


    BUT on the plus side i do becomes transfixed when i get on here by 2 torso's that make my heart positively race,one has a tremendously beautiful face as well.Why the heck do i look at their pic over and again when i have them imprinted into my memory?

    I don't masturbate whilst looking at these two people but i admit to having some pretty racey dreams about the both of them....i'm just hoping that one of these dreams involve the pair of them at the same time.

    Last night i went out with my 4 of my daughters and i looked around the place and thought 'No,all these are mingers,none match up in any shape or form to MY lpsg guys **sob sob**

    ...but as much as it drives me insane i am loving what i see:biggrin1:
     
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    I think that because men think about sex more, they notice and check out women much more without even trying. While admittedly, I am one of those visual women, if a woman, in general, is not looking for men, she can tune out many things and people. For instance, if I go to a bar with a friend after work to have a drink and we are having a conversation, I am likely to miss some hot guy walking by because I am listening to the conversation. If 2 men were having a conversation at a bar, chances are they would not miss one woman walking by. Sex is on their brains 99% of the time. This may be a stereotype, but without reading the research, I'm placing my bet on the fact that men take much more notice.
    Having said that, if 2 women went to a bar looking to meet men, they would notice, comment about, and get excited by the men walking by, because that's why they came there.
     
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    So another aspect is safety. Perhaps it is just not safe in our society for women to take a protracted look.

    What if it were? What if a look from a female didnt mean "she wants me" in every guy's mind? Do you think you would stare instead of being covert?

    Is it safer to look at other women?

    When you look -- why? What are you looking or for? A pretty face? To chexk out their outfit? A possible life mate? A possible fling?
     
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