are you "uncircumcised" male??!! why??!! it is NOW your chance!!!

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the jews maintained the practise following the israelite tribes' enslavement by the egyptian empire (c.1400-1300 BC). the ancient egyptians and abyssinians routinely circumcized slaves, both as dehumanizing procedure and as a means of ready identification. for some peculiar reason, probably simple tribal identity, the israelites continued to perform circumcisions on their children even after leaving egypt. the "god told us to do it" nonsense is - as it always is - a fallacious justification by religious authorities, invented long after the fact.
 

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C'mon guys, let's stop all this nonsense about "mutilation, damaged goods, chopped dicks, smelly cock, tight foreskin, etc. etc.". Uncut or cut, our cocks are wonderful working organs, and both types are satisfying, sensitive, succulent, sources of pleasure. Circumcision has been going on for millenia, and will continue to be done, for different reasons in different cultures. Take what you have and enjoy it, and let's hope nothing comes along whereby our cock has to be modified. We are fortunate for the sake of variety that we can exhange with one another. Uncut gets to explore cut, and vice versa, finding what the form and feel of each one is. I think we should stop speaking of superiority with what we've got, and just love having it. Besides, with our size cocks, "we've got it in spades!"
 

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Although i have nothing against guys who are uncircumcised i just personally perfer guys who are circumcised. To me it's just more appealing when a guy is "cut". I guess it's just a personal preference choice.
 

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Alecia19 said:
Although i have nothing against guys who are uncircumcised i just personally perfer guys who are circumcised. To me it's just more appealing when a guy is "cut". I guess it's just a personal preference choice.
Or perhaps what you are accustomed to.

Hornaplenty, it has nothing to do with "superiority with what we've got." It has everything to do with consent. As soon as a newborn signs an informed consent statement before the doctor starts to cut, I'll stop saying the practice should stop.
 

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Dr Rock said:
the jews maintained the practise following the israelite tribes' enslavement by the egyptian empire (c.1400-1300 BC). the ancient egyptians and abyssinians routinely circumcized slaves, both as dehumanizing procedure and as a means of ready identification. for some peculiar reason, probably simple tribal identity, the israelites continued to perform circumcisions on their children even after leaving egypt. the "god told us to do it" nonsense is - as it always is - a fallacious justification by religious authorities, invented long after the fact.
Although you think it is peculiar here is the explanation:

The Reason for Circumcision

The practice of circumcision shows that the cult of Yahweh/ Baal Peor was a Phallic cult Dr. Rock. It represented a sacrifice of part of the male's most prized possession to the deity. Abraham and his dynasty added the spurious tale that God had told them that the land of Canaan belonged to them, although it was already occupied by their kin and other tribes. See Genesis 17 v 10-14. Other examples of the importance of the phallus to Yahweh as follows:
(a)Zipporah cast at the feet of the angry Yahweh the bloody foreskin of her son as an appeasement in Exodus 4 v 24-25.
(b)"No man who has been castrated or whose penis has been cut off may be included among the Lord's people." Deuteronomy 23 v 1.

All Ancient Egyptians did not practice circumcision. If they were members of the aforementioned phallic cults they would. The Hebrew culture formed from the elder Egyptian civilization which existed 2,000 years before these later peoples. The Hebrews adopted this practice and many other Egyptian customs long before the time of Exodus' enslavement period.
 

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I'm uncut and I think everyone should be left that way. Then when they grow up INTACT and not MISSING any part of their reproductive organs, they can elect themselves to have the operation done.

I would probably hate my parents if I'd been circumcised!

If female circumcision is banned...why not male circumcision? Probably because its one of those 'only in America' things... (I know it happens in other places too but mainly is for religious purposes). In America its fashion and not a religious rite.I'm glad here 90% or so of the males are uncut.

What worries me though is the mix ups where boys who were supposed to be left natural were circumcised...that's terrible.
 

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I like being cut. Tribes before me 10,000 years ago did it, the classical civilizations that influenced modern civiliziation did it, and so do I.


It connects me with the past. Rebelling just for the sake of "omg I'm afraid to have about an inch of skin cut off when I won't ever know the difference"

it just seems a bit silly.
 

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There is a difference. Just as there's a different feeling to having ten digits on your hand and having only nine.

There are nerves inside the foreskin.

It's not about rebelling, its about wanting to be natural. How God, or Bob, or Mother Nature 'created' us. IF men are meant to be circmumcised why are they not born that way?

Was God drunk when he made men? Probably. but I prefer my natural penis. It looks damn sexy. Whereas in my eyes, cut ones do not.
 

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sunsetapisto said:
the classical civilizations that influenced modern civiliziation did it
what? :confused: most of them - the ancient greeks and romans especially - prohibited it by law for much of their history. not sure what "civilization" you're referring to there.

It connects me with the past.
try again. it "connects" you with 19th century quack physicians who were trying to eradicate masturbation. an illustrious tradition indeed :rolleyes:

dreamer20 said:
Although you think it is peculiar here is the explanation:
peculiar is the word. your theory is even weirder than the conventional academic one (top tip: the bible is not considered a valid historical reference work :rolleyes:). but then, let's face it: something's gotta be pretty fucking weird for people to deliberately start cutting off bits of their male offspring's genitals in the first place.

All Ancient Egyptians did not practice circumcision.
it's unlikely that they even inflicted it on slaves after the new kingdom supplanted the old. the snake cult / phallic religion theory isn't much favored these days owing to the increasing archeological data resources that apparently contradict it.
 

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greece and rome weren't the only classical civilizations. Besides, that website that has the history said so. The point is that people before me did it, people after me will, so I will too.

You can word things how you want to prove a point, calling it mutilation and whatnot, but the fact is that those of us who are cut didnt have a choice and we have grown to live with and see advantages in the decision. It's easy for those who have no affiliation with the practice to sit around and critisize it and call doctors barbarians.

I don't know wether that made sense or not, but I'm trying to get at nobody is going to win this debate ever, so if you want to waste more time head on over to the president bush thread in the other forum.
 

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sunsetapisto said:
I like being cut. Tribes before me 10,000 years ago did it, the classical civilizations that influenced modern civiliziation did it, and so do I.


It connects me with the past. Rebelling just for the sake of "omg I'm afraid to have about an inch of skin cut off when I won't ever know the difference"

it just seems a bit silly.

"Classical" implies Greek and Roman, and neither of those cultures practiced circumcision. An exposed glans was vulgar to them.

10,000 years ago we were barely out of the last ice age and only just learning the rudiments of agriculture.
 

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Wonderboy said:
It's not about rebelling, its about wanting to be natural. How God, or Bob, or Mother Nature 'created' us. IF men are meant to be circmumcised why are they not born that way?

Was God drunk when he made men? Probably. but I prefer my natural penis. It looks damn sexy. Whereas in my eyes, cut ones do not.

A foreskin is not a birth defect in need of corrective surgery.
 

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Mr._dB said:
"Classical" implies Greek and Roman, and neither of those cultures practiced circumcision. An exposed glans was vulgar to them.

ummm large cocks where also considered vulgar to the romans and greeks. just look at there art work. dose that mean we should like kill all people with big cocks?
Personaly im cut and i like it. i kinda wish that i wasnt cut at birth so that i could get it cut when i got older and it finished growing.

anyways i always heard that the egyptians only had there priests circumcised.
 

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No, I'm not "un" anything. I'm complete, whole, intact. People with two arms aren't unamputated, and women with two breasts aren't unmastectomised.

The foreskin is always the vector for the disease of the decade. I call it the Pony Express approach. Ride one horse until it drops, then get on another horse.
I like it. Intersting how many of the articles promoting circumcision for HIV (today) start by saying how old cirucmcision is, as though that had anything to do with anything. Trepanning (drilling a hole in the skull) is about as old or older, yet you don't see articles about brain surgery begin by praising that ancient rite of exorcism. This may have a bearing: http://www.circumstitions.com/meme.html
especially the diagram 1/4 way down the page.

As for those who say "ask women, or circumcised men" whether babies should be circumcised, whose penis is it?
 

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I think if I were a circumcised man on this board I would feel rather picked on.
It seems like those who favor NOT circumcising at birth are against circumcision completely and, there is something wrong with anyone who is.
That's not the case.

I can only speak for myself and my husband, but I do not think there is anything wrong with a guy who is circumcised. If my husband said he wanted to do that, then I'm fine with it. I want what is best for him and what he wants.

The issue is that the male gets no choice. With the Internet I can connect with people from all over the world and listen to their opinions and problems.
We know much more now, the average person can get information that would have taken years before the net.
When I was in nursing school I was so young and such a sponge. I wanted to be a nurse, I admired my instructors, and I allowed myself to be spoon fed the information without question.
I believed with all my heart that anyone who didn't circumcise was hurting the child.
I believed all the tales of tight foreskins (as moms were told to retract and clean beneath the foreskin) well no wonder the babies cried. Then the diaper rashes and infections ....they ended up in the ER with mom and baby crying.
But I don't think the mothers were given proper instructions.

I was one of those people who would have told a new parent that the child should be circumcised. I believed it with every cell of my body.
Then I met my husband. I remembered when he told me he was not circumcised. My first thought was 'how sad'. What must that little boy have gone through. I was also told in nursing school of the UNcleanliness of the natural penis. Hmmm. My husband could see how shocked I was and it took a lot of explaining for me to even begin to see how wrong I was.

Think of any issue that is or has been controversial. This issue falls in that category. But up until now it was not talked about, and only one side was acceptable. In the US anyway.
It's only fair that a male gets to choose this decision for himself.
It does not matter,nor is it anyones business what he chooses, but let HIM choose.
One might wonder ...why all the posts, why discuss it over and over. Nothing changes until it is brought out into the day light for all the world to see.
It is like a ball of twine that begins small and soon grows; but if you add no more twine, it just stops and will never grow any further.
This and forums like this are the foundation of change. It is in places like this that many small discussions happen and eventually they leak out into the major media.

The practice of RIC has to change. It is not right, it is not fair and there is no medical reason for it. Aside from that, any man who gets to adult hood and decides he would be happier without his foreskin should have that right.
It's his body, why not. But at least HE made the decision.
 

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Thank you, Mumzi. I haven't seen your posts in a while, I had forgotten what a voice of reason (and experience) you are.

As I referenced in my above post, I agree with you: it's a consent thing. I have never "picked on" anyone who is circumcised, whether at birth or later in life. If done at birth, he had no choice. If done in adulthood, it was his choice. The ones I take issue with are the ones who insist on inflicting this surgery on an infant. Since you are in the healthcare field, correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but isn't RIC the only elective surgery which does not require the patient to sign informed consent?