Arizona Republican=Holocaust Denier

[HazelGod]

While I respect the concepts of trying to do something, what is wrong is that this law is so badly written as to make Court Challenges a guarantee.

What about this law is badly written? I found the language to be rather carefully constructed both to its specific purposes and to avoid running afoul of constitutional entanglements.

A badly-written law that deals with this problem improperly will prove a major problem for innocent United States Citizens and it will do nothing to stem the tide of illegal aliens.

What about this law will prove to be a major problem for innocent citizens? The law was created to make the entire state of Arizona a "no safe harbor" zone...how can you substantiate a position that mandatory enforcement of federal immigration law will do nothing to curb the influx of illegals?

Under this new law, we will create a far larger problem. We don't issue driver's licenses, they cannot get insurance. They don't transfer vehicle titles now

Please cite the sections of the statue that codify these new policies your claiming here.

I would not mind seeing a good law. The law needs to focus not on the illegal immigrants, it needs to focus on those who provide employment for them which is the attraction to come here to begin with.

I partially agree with you here...overall immigration law needs to be reformed to penalize those who hire (read: exploit) illegal immigrant labor. However, attempting to approach the matter as an either/or proposition is foolish, as supply and demand are inextricably intertwined concepts...comprehensive immigration policy must address both aspects.

 

[HazelGod]

I believe this state to be a clusterfuck of racist conservativism where the state tries to maintain power by use of force and fear, which is plainly evident in both the kind of legislation that is regularly passed and in the way that the police force is run.

Nothing of the sort is "plainly evident." The facts contravene your contention, actually, as the specific legislation at the focus of this thread is rather carefully worded to avoid confusion regarding its intent. The only clusterfuck I've witnessed has been the irrational reactions of the ignorant fools who haven't even bothered to read it...and I include some of the highest federal officials in the nation in that group. You've made a ridiculously broad assertion regarding the entire state of Arizona's government without any substantiation whatsoever.

If you have a state government which implies forced racial-profiling into law, I think that sounds a tad racist, don't you think?

I'm going to assume you meant to say "...forces implied racial-profiling..." in the above, and I'll rebut with the observation that it's hysterical nonsense. The language of the statue specifically forbids the consideration of race as the sole factor determining reasonable suspicion. While the various individuals charged with implementing the law are subject to the vagaries of human frailty, the law itself was constructed carefully to address a problem that bears an overwhelmingly racial bias without being racist. I consider it more than a tad stupid to believe you can tackle a problem wherein 99% of the criminals share a common racial profile without considering race a factor at all.

Or, in another example, the arrests that Joe Arpaio makes periodically of innocent people purely on the grounds that they are of Hispanic ethnicity. He once stormed city hall and arrested several workers (all of whom were here legally) just based on the color of their skin and the nature of their work and clerks and janitors. That strikes me as a political force maintaining power through abuse and fear. Sounds fairly Machiavellian to me.

It sounds like one asshole sheriff who arguably might need to be reined in...but last I checked, sheriff is an elected office, with a single county jurisdiction. Unlike Machiavelli's subjects, it's easy enough for the people to get rid of this guy. Furthermore, it's hardly sound reasoning to tar the entire state of Arizona with the same brush this joker uses for his neck of the woods. So, unless you're prepared to provide examples of frequent and similarly egregious official behavior on a statewide basis, I'm inclined to believe you're being more than a little hyperbolic and unfairly prejudicial yourself.

My comment about the south was intended as a joke and nothing more. In fact, my post in its totality was just me remarking about my own feelings about the political environment in this state. Given that I live in Arizona, I get the pleasure of reading reports about the ineffective government and the corrupt police force that make a mocker of this state on an almost daily basis. That's really all I was saying.

Some might disagree, but your one-day and two-post tenure don't provide you the presence here to make that sort of joke with any expectation of implicit understanding. You might want to make clear your intent at levity from the outset next time you're speaking in unfairly extrapolated and loosely-related generalities when you decide to weigh in on a specifically focused discussion.

 

[aetherael]

Boy, I wish I were as infallible as you. I'm not arguing with you past this point. I'm done.

 

[HazelGod]

Boy, I wish I were as infallible as you. I'm not arguing with you past this point. I'm done.

Infallible is an absolute state of being, without degree...using the comparative modifier as alongside it is utterly nonsensical.

 

[B_Mister Buildington]

rebulicans are hitler

 

[B_OtterJoq]

Infallible is an absolute state of being, without degree...using the comparative modifier as alongside it is utterly nonsensical.

Wow.

Just wow.

 

[HazelGod]

Imitation truly being the sincerest form of flattery, you have my thanks for your admiration.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^Wow... Now you're asserting that people who say "wow" are imitating you, as if you're the one who coined the phrase, or first introduced its use here?

lololol... God complex indeed!

 

[HazelGod]

You guys crack me up.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You have to admit, HG... it's not like that response was only used on this board as of 3 weeks ago.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

You guys crack me up.

And you likewise bud... I'm just clowning with you.

(Unlike some others, I generally like hearing what you have to say, even if I don't always agree)

 

[HazelGod]

You have to admit, HG... it's not like that response was only used on this board as of 3 weeks ago.

Sure, but one of those links goes back to the summer of '07, so... :wink:

And you likewise bud... I'm just clowning with you.

You being one of the sharper tools in the shed, I thought you might. :biggrin1:

 

[rundry]

no should die if they get sick, no one should go hungry if they don't food, should not go without shelter if they have no house. then may I suggest that they not be born. sounds stupid doesn't it. well so does all that liberal-progressive crap. read the Arizona law
. It's mirrors after the Federal law, passed by congress, it's even more restrictive in it's appilcation. I think gnats are born with more brains than................

 

[B_OtterJoq]

Imitation truly being the sincerest form of flattery, you have my thanks for your admiration.

You thought I was imitating you?

Damn...and I thought I had ego issues.

I was using that expression way back when you had a soul, HG.

Yes...That long ago.

 

[B_OtterJoq]

You guys crack me up.

I think the cracks were there prior to our arrival.