Armie hammer!

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Maybe because he branded a woman and licked her blood without her consent?
The woman in question posted a picture of an "A" the size of a pea and she claimed that Armie Hammer carved his initial into her and licked the blood.

Innocent until proven guilty. Plain and simple
I've said this before in an earlier post: the turning point for me was a) when it leaked that Hammer's estranged wife, who he was still married to when these affairs were happening, was connected with the stories that were being leaked to the press and b) when Gloria Allred, who loves being in front of a camera and who loves leaking to the press, dropped these women as clients.

Anytime the press asks Allred about the statements made by these women, she refuses to comment citing attorney-client privilege. I don't think I've ever known Allred to use privilege to avoid answering a question from the press.

Allred did give a formal statement to the Los Angeles Times:
'Statements that I have made on behalf of clients have been made because the statements were consistent with our representation, were authorized either explicitly or implicitly, and were made because I believed that the statements were in the client's best interests.'

Allred figured out that these clients were colluding with Hammer's wife, Elizabeth Chambers, and Allred wasn't able to verify enough of the claims made by these women. Allred doesn't like to lose cases, so once she figures out that she's not being told the truth, she will drop the client to avoid damage to her own reputation as a feminist attorney.

I wouldn't dismiss this as Armie Hammer being "innocent"- it appears that both Chambers and Hammer had an open marriage and were both involved in affairs outside their marriage. This looks more and more like two people involved in an ugly divorce and ugly custody battle and they're trying their case in the press. All of these people were adults and it appears all of them were consenting adults doing what consenting adults do. Why it's anyone else's business is a mystery to me.
 

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Innocent until proven guilty. Plain and simple
Your point is clear and well made, and to a degree, I believe it as well. While the law and adage "innocent until proven guilty" (aka the presumption of innocence) is well intentioned and can save the truly innocent from prosecution, it can also allow truly guilty parties to walk free due to lack of evidence. So, I'll reiterate, that to say he is not truly guilty is a farce, and to say he is truly guilty, is equally inadequate.
Hiding behind a misappropriated legal principle, or using it as an excuse for his alleged actions, is in it's own way, inadequate.
 

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Your point is clear and well made, and to a degree, I believe it as well. While the law and adage "innocent until proven guilty" (aka the presumption of innocence) is well intentioned and can save the truly innocent from prosecution, it can also allow truly guilty parties to walk free due to lack of evidence. So, I'll reiterate, that to say he is not truly guilty is a farce, and to say he is truly guilty, is equally inadequate.
Hiding behind a misappropriated legal principle, or using it as an excuse for his alleged actions, is in it's own way, inadequate.
I wasn't there with him or the ladies accusing him of his actions nor were you. All we can is to sit back and watch how it plays out. If he is proven guilty then charge him and send him off to prison but if he is proven innocent then let him live his life.
 

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I wasn't there with him or the ladies accusing him of his actions nor were you. All we can is to sit back and watch how it plays out. If he is proven guilty then charge him and send him off to prison but if he is proven innocent then let him live his life.
If it doesn't go to trial it cannot be proven one way or another. It's very common for sexual assault cases to never make it to trial or if they do, they get dismissed for lack of evidence.
None of this means the accusations aren't true, its just a difficult thing to prove and the deck is stacked in the perpetrators favour.
 

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If it doesn't go to trial it cannot be proven one way or another. It's very common for sexual assault cases to never make it to trial or if they do, they get dismissed for lack of evidence.
None of this means the accusations aren't true, its just a difficult thing to prove and the deck is stacked in the perpetrators favour.
There was never going to be "assault" charges.

The primary accuser claimed to have been in a four year relationship with Hammer. The other women acknowledged that they were in consensual relationships with Hammer and their claim was that the kinky sex made them feel uncomfortable.
 
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There was never going to be "assault" charges.

The primary accuser claimed to have been in a four year relationship with Hammer. The other women acknowledged that they were in consensual relationships with Hammer and their claim was that the kinky sex made them feel uncomfortable.
The primary accuser said he violently raped her.
 

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The primary accuser said he violently raped her.
And her attorney dumped her after it became apparent that she was not telling the truth and she colluding with Hammer's wife. Allred also realized that a client claiming a violent rape in year 2 of a 4 year relationship was not a credible witness, especially when there were no police reports and the internet claims by "Effie" started around the time that Elizabeth Chambers filed for divorce from Hammer.

The thing that is puzzling about these trials-by-social-media is that there are some terrible and verifiable stories about men and women being sexually abuse. The Bill Cosby story had over 60 women- most of them casual acquaintances of Cosby that were drugged and sexually assaulted. Weinstein had over 80 women that came forward with stories. The Playboy mansion has all sorts of stories about women being abused.

Yet, we're wasting post after post in this thread discussing the sexual peccadilloes of a celebrity who was involved in consensual extramarital relationships. At what point will we get back to posting the pictures and entertainment-related gossip that most people are here to see?
 

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And her attorney dumped her after it became apparent that she was not telling the truth and she colluding with Hammer's wife. Allred also realized that a client claiming a violent rape in year 2 of a 4 year relationship was not a credible witness, especially when there were no police reports and the internet claims by "Effie" started around the time that Elizabeth Chambers filed for divorce from Hammer.

The thing that is puzzling about these trials-by-social-media is that there are some terrible and verifiable stories about men and women being sexually abuse. The Bill Cosby story had over 60 women- most of them casual acquaintances of Cosby that were drugged and sexually assaulted. Weinstein had over 80 women that came forward with stories. The Playboy mansion has all sorts of stories about women being abused.

Yet, we're wasting post after post in this thread discussing the sexual peccadilloes of a celebrity who was involved in consensual extramarital relationships. At what point will we get back to posting the pictures and entertainment-related gossip that most people are here to see?
Amen to that!Thank you en thanks for these pics!
 
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And her attorney dumped her after it became apparent that she was not telling the truth and she colluding with Hammer's wife. Allred also realized that a client claiming a violent rape in year 2 of a 4 year relationship was not a credible witness, especially when there were no police reports and the internet claims by "Effie" started around the time that Elizabeth Chambers filed for divorce from Hammer.

The thing that is puzzling about these trials-by-social-media is that there are some terrible and verifiable stories about men and women being sexually abuse. The Bill Cosby story had over 60 women- most of them casual acquaintances of Cosby that were drugged and sexually assaulted. Weinstein had over 80 women that came forward with stories. The Playboy mansion has all sorts of stories about women being abused.

Yet, we're wasting post after post in this thread discussing the sexual peccadilloes of a celebrity who was involved in consensual extramarital relationships. At what point will we get back to posting the pictures and entertainment-related gossip that most people are here to see?
It's simple, stop making such vile, disgusting posts and I stop calling you out on it.
 
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And still not one dick pic leaked.
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It's simple, stop making such vile, disgusting posts and I stop calling you out on it.
Bless your heart.