Arrested Duke Lacrosse Player

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The second dancer also just got a very favorable ruling from the DA which looks a deal to this lawyer.
 

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ushah said:
So now it looks like she really is just another ho' looking for a payday. Seems she'd made a false rape allegatioon 10 years ago.

The "2nd Dancer" has reportedly sought to be represented by the public relations firm currently working with Lil Kim. I don't think it odd, or entirely atypical for a secondary figure in a scandal to try to cash in on the primary figures misfortune. The "2nd Dancer" is not only demonstrating her media savvy in playing the well established "Kato Kaelin" role, but also showing that she intends to reap any and all financial benefits through reverse manipulation of the media.
 

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ushah said:
So now it looks like she really is just another ho' looking for a payday. Seems she'd made a false rape allegatioon 10 years ago.

It was an unsubstantiated, but criminally reported event. Bear in mind that the current reports on this incident, indicate that she was 14 when it happened, but went to police three years after the suppossed sexual assault took place.

I think that the defense goal in publishing this is two-fold. First they want to establish a pattern whereby the victim makes possibly false claims of sexual assault by multiple partners, law enforcement investigates those claims and find that the complaining witness may be less than credible for a multitude of reasons. Second the defense may claim that this woman is of unsound mind, and may suffer from a condition where consensual sex is later viewed as forced sexual assault.
 

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ushah said:
Racial divide is always so apparent. I suppose some are going to jump on me for this.

Hurricane Katrina:
  • White people stealing bread from grocery stores "found the bread because of their intense hunger and struggle for survival"
  • Black people (I'm not talking about the asses that were stealing big-screen TVs; I'm referencing the picture of a black mother and child with a package of bread and a can of tuna) were "looting the neighborhood grocery stores".
Duke Lacrosse Story:
  • While unrelated, when White girls strip and whore themselves out for the better good of getting an education and doing well in life, they're doing a great service to become a productive part of society. I've seen and heard so many people say these girls might be doing immoral things, but they're doing it to get an education and they shouldn't be looked down upon.
  • Black college students strip to help themselves get through school and they're just dirty, fucking, disgusting, whorish nig___s. This is how people are portraying these girls.
And for the record, the girl's friend, who said at first nothing happened, is still saying she didn't see anything, but changed her story to say that she didn't witness anything but something must have happened after she was shown pictures of the victim.

Now, of course, this may be just some ho' that wants a payday, but what if she isn't?

Along with straight whitey... you forgot to mention that it's athletes and fraterinities that are the cause for 95% of the injustices that occur in American universities..., student newspapers are deathly frightened to post news blotters of a black fraternity rape... but if it's some cakebread princess who gets too drunk at a fraternity party and gets date raped... it's front page. The liberal guilt abound....
 

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Frankly, I don't give a damn how many six-figures the Duke kids are sitting on. Rich or poor, stupid behavior is stupid behavior, and the criminal justice system shouldn't go easy on someone just because they're attractive or well-connected.
I don't take kindly to the idea of rape, but I am willing to applaud the (first) dancer for wanting to defend her rights and the sanctity of her body. Villifying her for her profession isn't going to downgrade the grade of evidence in existence, and any good lawyer worth his salt would gather as conclusive and substantial a set of data as possible. Money can buy you flashy suits for the courtroom or a high-profile attorney, but money can't buy off fact or probable cause.

In any case, you'd think dumbass would be smart enough to use the cookie-destroying, history-eradicating, and hardcore-deletion features on his super spiff PC. Fuckin' email. :cool:
 

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ushah said:
So now it looks like she really is just another ho' looking for a payday. Seems she'd made a false rape allegatioon 10 years ago.
is that an accurate characterization and description of the events from earlier or not?
it seems that charges were dropped. she was 14. was she lying at that time?
there's also a side to the story that fear and intimidation may have silenced testimony back then. that's plausible.

it's not quite clear that this "history" is relevant or not, but it certainly appears to be a valuable tool for the defence to use to cast her credibility into doubt
 

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I don't think its about wether he's black or white or pink with yellow spots, what I find completely stunning is that American journalist are allowed to publish stories about an accused person before a trial has even begun.In this country several newspaper editiors have been convicted of contempt of court and sent to prison because they wrote about someone who was standing trial for some alleged offence.I know that the American legal system is fucked beyond belief but how the fuck is the guy even going to get a fair trial if everyone has read about it over thier cornflakes?
 

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DeeBlackthorne said:
Frankly, I don't give a damn how many six-figures the Duke kids are sitting on. Rich or poor, stupid behavior is stupid behavior, and the criminal justice system shouldn't go easy on someone just because they're attractive or well-connected.
I don't take kindly to the idea of rape, but I am willing to applaud the (first) dancer for wanting to defend her rights and the sanctity of her body. Villifying her for her profession isn't going to downgrade the grade of evidence in existence, and any good lawyer worth his salt would gather as conclusive and substantial a set of data as possible. Money can buy you flashy suits for the courtroom or a high-profile attorney, but money can't buy off fact or probable cause.

In any case, you'd think dumbass would be smart enough to use the cookie-destroying, history-eradicating, and hardcore-deletion features on his super spiff PC. Fuckin' email. :cool:


Which Lacrosse player failed to use the features that you describe? I seem to remember one guy writing some type of poetry where he says he want to skin bitches, and eat them alive.
 

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Many interesting points and theories offered in this thread. The fact that most have foundation in emotion, not fact, is typical of public reaction to such crimes. We are all going to inject our own experiences with college athletes, individuals of various race, rich white kids, strippers, etc. - not to mention unfounded perceptions thereof - into our beliefs about the merits of this case. Or for that matter, the character of those involved.

Though not surprised, I have been disappointed in the number of unsubstantiated judgments of the Duke players, and their moral fiber simply because they are athletes. As a former college athlete at a large university (which has had its own troubles with ill mannered athletes lately), I understand that it’s easier (and politically correct) for people to assume we are all hulking, misogynists, readily willing to break the law and take down anyone standing in our way - either by physical, sexual, or psychological violence. It's just not true. Does it happen? Sure. Are we all to blame? No. Simply put, we are an easy target. Someone posted on here that we, along with fraternities are “…the cause of 95% of the injustices that occur in American universities.” Abhorrently incorrect. But this inflammatory statement is an excellent example of popular opinion. Athletes are the stars of campus, and like any stars, people like to see them fall. We would know nothing of this alleged crime if the Duke Spanish Club had paid for the stripper and she alleged a rape. It’s sport for people to go after high profile individuals in this country, and for some reason we have become complacent in accepting unsubstantiated rhetoric. It’s ok to call an affluent football player a drunken, violent rapist. But if I made the same unfounded allegation against a black student, I would be a racist. Jesse Jackson would show up to give him a scholarship. And the New Black Panthers would march though the streets proclaiming my guilt. All before anyone stepped foot in a courtroom.

And that’s really what it comes down to. Let it play out in court. For God’s sake, stop the prejudgment. She’s a whore, he’s a bigot, she’s lied before, he hit a gay guy, and on and on. None of it matters outside the courtroom. Sadly, it may never get there.

My opinion on this case is simple. It will either burn itself out without going to trial (a convenient way for the DA to back out of the case without prosecuting a losing battle; but after the media has lost interest), or there will be no convictions. Not because the accused are affluent and white as many will claim, but because the case has been bungled from the beginning by a media hungry DA up for election. A few specifics…

1. He overplayed his hand on the DNA evidence. He claimed it would prove his case outright. Instead it became exculpatory.

2. The police lineup will be thrown out as evidence because the police (with the DA’s consent) did not follow standard procedure of including non suspects. Anyone she pointed to was a Duke player.

3. The DA refused to hear exculpatory evidence from defense council when proffered.

4. He used a Grand Jury (with no members of the defense present to counter) to get indictments that would never have passed a probable cause hearing. Now he’s scrambling to make a case around the suspects he has, rather than the other way around.

5. The 70 interviews he gave pronouncing the guilt of the players, and the airtight evidence. People forget this when they rail on the defense for talking about their case, and the victim’s history.

6. One of the defendants has a nearly airtight alibi, with video and electronic records as backup. This will cast considerable doubt on the other defendant’s guilt

No matter how you cut it, The DA screwed the pooch, and there will never be a conviction. But along the way the personal lives of those involved have become sport for the uninformed; their character vilified and changed forever.
 

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"now these 2 guys lives are ruined"

Being from NJ and near Delbarton, these kids lives arent ruined by any stretch of the imagination. Kids from Delby and surrounding schools get hooked up with great jobs on Wall Street no matter how bad of people they are. A kid I knew from my town who went there and then to some second rate college pulls down $150,000/year (he's 22) despite arrests for coke and DUi, the families of the kids in this area will hook their family friends up big time, no matter what they've done. My guess is none of these Duke players will feel any real consequence from this incident.
 

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It was nearly two years ago that white woman accused a famous athlete of raping her while she was on the job at a hotel where he was staying. Before the woman could get her story straight an arrest warrant was issued for the accused.

The accused man’s version of events was taken only after he turned himself in for booking. He claimed the sex was consensual.
Despite holes in her story and no corroborating evidence to support it, charges were filed and a court date was set. For the record, the “victim” was white and the accused was black. Due to the accuser’s later reluctance to cooperate and testify, the matter was eventually settled out of court.
Contrast that to the case with present rape scandal involving Duke University Lacrosse players.
A Black exotic dancer hired to perform at a team party, accused three team members of raping her. This was after a hospital examination concluded her condition and injuries were consistent with her having been raped.
Despite this, the local police chief refused to make an arrest. In fact, he held off on doing a preliminary investigation allowing key evidence to be lost or destroyed. His excuse was investigators did not have enough evidence and were waiting DNA test results.
Almost immediately, the media started attacking the woman’s character and story as if to give benefit of doubt to the party going lacrosse player’s. Pundits, talk shows, and so called legal analysts started waging a campaign to sway public opinion against the woman, questioning her story and totally disregarding her claim that she was a crime victim.
Since the accused are white students attending a prestigious university, the suggestion is she is not entitled to due process.


Let’s not kid ourselves. We know if a white woman accused a black man of raping her, there would be an all out effort to apprehend the perpetrator. With or without DNA evidence. No matter how weak her story was.