"Artists" who do Commercials and Ads

[B_Nick8]

I'm on west coast time, so still anxiously waiting for "Dancing with the Stars" to come on...

Enjoy! Little Aaron is pushing some dick in that first number and that skateboarder kid is adorable.

And Tom DeLay can actually dance. Sort of. :biggrin1:

 

[Bbucko]

Bbucko & Nick8, my friends:

I'm on west coast time, so still anxiously waiting for "Dancing with the Stars" to come on...

Does a "political artist" like Tom DeLay qualify as selling out by dancing in a commercial mainstream entertainment? Does Flashy hope that DeLay doesn't make a Pepsi or an El Pollo Loco commercial?


Actually, I just wanted to inject politics again in the "ETC" forum, because it drives Flashy wild.

(p.s. I can't believe Trinity is still pushing her "Obama / not a valid birth certificate" agenda after this idea being completely debunked for months by just about everybody. Oh, well... plus ça change, plus c'est pareil)

I actually think that the deadly combo of Dancing with the Stars and Tom DeLay together sets just about everybody's hathos-alert sense on kill, Flashy included.

As to Trinity: is there anyone left who doesn't that s/he wasn't part of some creepy Operation Chaos troll eruption from the last election? But what else would one expect from a self-admitted white supremacist?

 

[jason_els]

yes, Nick, very true...because it "cheapens" a movie star.

which is why it is really lame...when Brad Pitt did a heineken commercial here...and Clooney does budweiser voiceovers here, and Morgan freeman does voiceovers here.

apparently they do not mind being ad whores overseas...it is just here at home where they get embarassed about it

The Japanese have no concept of "selling out" as we do. Stars aren't tainted by doing ads as they are here. I think we're beginning to accept big stars doing ads, slowly but surely.

A lot of top Hollywood people work in advertising. Big name directors direct ads as do cinematographers, editors, and composers. Having an Oscar on your shelf just means you can charge more. These are just people out to earn a living, taking jobs when they want (or need) to and I don't care what they do myself. We all need to make a living and who am I to judge if a big name wants to do an ad? I'd do the same thing if I could and didn't think it would otherwise hurt my career. A job's a job. Plenty of people work multiple crap jobs at once to make ends meet and if these folks feel the need or have an artistic itch to scratch by doing an ad, then fine by me.

Here's David Lynch directing an ad for the Nissan Micra. I think it's cool.

And Ridley Scott's brilliant Apple commercial.

 

[jason_els]

Enjoy! Little Aaron is pushing some dick in that first number and that skateboarder kid is adorable.

And Tom DeLay can actually dance. Sort of. :biggrin1:

The problem is DeLay only dances to the right...

Cool, Cool, Considerate Men...

 

[B_Nick8]

The problem is DeLay only dances to the right...

And most of that was spin.

 

[Flashy]

Bbucko & Nick8, my friends:

I'm on west coast time, so still anxiously waiting for "Dancing with the Stars" to come on...

Does a "political artist" like Tom DeLay qualify as selling out by dancing in a commercial mainstream entertainment? Does Flashy hope that DeLay doesn't make a Pepsi or an El Pollo Loco commercial?


Actually, I just wanted to inject politics again in the "ETC" forum, because it drives Flashy wild.

very amusing....as if i give a shit what a scumbag like Tom DeLay does with his time.

you could recruit Dan Rostenkowski and have him do it for all i care.

as for what "flashy hopes for", he hopes that willtom sees the hypocrisy of his whining about people discussing actors making commercials in lieu of focusing on the important political events of the current day, all the while waiting breathlessly for an idiotic show to come on TV so he can invest what, 45 minutes multiplied by a full season of about 20 episodes, watching washed up athletes and pseudo-celebrities desperately attempt to dig their claws in to their fleeting fame and hang on for dear life by doing the mambo?

yeah...thank goodness you dropped in to the thread to remind us to focus on what is important in life, and by extension, the political theater.

 

[B_Nick8]

Now, now, Flash. I've been with you up till this point.

And the DWTS season opener is two hours. For the first three nights. That's six hours this week alone. :biggrin1:

 

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

Jason,

I'm sure you know this "selling out" debate has been going on a long time & has taken many forms. College students who fancy themselves artists love to engage in it. Ernest Hemmingway or F. Scott Fitzgerald "selling out" by abandoning their true literary art and going Hollywood. Gore Vidal writing the screen adaptation of "Ben Hur" and writing tv dramas (Paddy Chayefsky and William Faulkner, too) instead of creating the next Great American Novel. Jessica Tandy temporarily leaving the stage -- for the so-called baser arts of film and television. Orson Welles' renowned "Mercury Player" favorite Agnes Moorehead doing "Bewitched". George Gershwin composing a series of TV jingles. Bette Davis selling soap. Bob Dylan going electric at the Newport Folk Festival with "Like a Rolling Stone".


Hard to believe a gifted artist doing a silly commercial is still considered selling out. What matters is the quality of the work done, commercials aside.


Flashy: please breathe and stop feeling ambushed. You type type type furiously in a vacuum. Nobody's out to get you. --- And, by the way, Flash. The new Michael Moore doc is opening soon. We'll get to see how the financial institutions thoroughly collapsed at the mid-to-end of Bush's watch. And Cheney is not winning the torture debate. And I love how you pretend to be "balanced" and sagacious and middle-of-the-road-pragmatic when, in most cases, you simply do not want to leave yourself politically vulnerable by honorably taking a side on a debate. You stay neutral and then take potshots at others from the sidelines.

 

[Flashy]

Now, now, Flash. I've been with you up till this point.

And the DWTS season opener is two hours. For the first three nights. That's six hours this week alone. :biggrin1:

lol

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Wow this is tough, as an artist myself ( I'm a painter and a Goldsmith ) I've been asked to sell product for companies. I was once asked to produce a range of jewellery for a medium sized diamond dealers from London. The diamonds would of course have been courtesy of the dealers and they wanted a range of pieces which would effectively modernise their brand. They offered a lot of money, and it would have been good PR for me and my work, but I turned them down because they were too specific about aesthetics. I didn't mind that they wanted their new logo on the pieces, but they basically wanted me to copy the designs of another successful Jeweller, and I wasn't interested in doing that.

But artists have always sold out, and not just economically, but morally and intellectually too, it's just a part of the Artist-Patron dynamic.

 

[Flashy]

Jason,



Flashy: please breathe and stop feeling ambushed. You type type type furiously in a vacuum. Nobody's out to get you. --- And, by the way, Flash. The new Michael Moore doc is opening soon. We'll get to see how the financial institutions thoroughly collapsed at the mid-to-end of Bush's watch. And Cheney is not winning the torture debate. And I love how you pretend to be "balanced" and sagacious and middle-of-the-road-pragmatic when, in most cases, you simply do not want to leave yourself politically vulnerable by honorably taking a side on a debate. You stay neutral and then take potshots at others from the sidelines.

amusing...i am not feeling ambushed...i am simply pointing out the arrival in the thread of a self righteous hypocrite...you.

as for the new Michael Moore film, i do not care. i think he and glen beck and rush limbaugh should all have a heart attack and die at the same time.

as for how the financial institutions collapsed, i do not need to see a 300 pound auteur attempt to describe what happened to someone, Me, and my hundreds of friends and relatives who actually work throughout the wall street world, what happened in "his view".

maybe for someone like you that is appealing.

and i am perfectly balanced, i find you and your far right equivalents equally vile.

i do not stay neutral on anything.

i am on record as being

- pro choice
- pro gay marriage
- pro legalization of marijuana and industrial hemp
- pro increases sin taxes
- pro universal health care
- pro nuclear power
- pro conservation/environment/punishing polluters severely
- anti religion in school and government
- pro progressive taxation
- pro assisted suicide/right to die
- pro stem cell research
- pro campaign finance reform
- pro massive decrease in dependence on foreign oil
- pro massive government investment in wind, solar and hydro power
- anti censorship
- pro open competition with other nations companies for prescription drugs
- pro israel
- anti censorship



just because that does not fit into your attempted narrative of me, does not mean you have to lie to try to prove it.

 

[nudeyorker]

amusing...i am not feeling ambushed...i am simply pointing out the arrival in the thread of a self righteous hypocrite...you.

as for the new Michael Moore film, i do not care. i think he and glen beck and rush limbaugh should all have a heart attack and die at the same time.

as for how the financial institutions collapsed, i do not need to see a 300 pound auteur attempt to describe what happened to someone, Me, and my hundreds of friends and relatives who actually work throughout the wall street world, what happened in "his view".

maybe for someone like you that is appealing.

and i am perfectly balanced, i find you and your far right equivalents equally vile.

i do not stay neutral on anything.

i am on record as being

- pro choice
- pro gay marriage
- pro legalization of marijuana and industrial hemp
- pro increases sin taxes
- pro universal health care
- pro nuclear power
- pro conservation/environment/punishing polluters severely
- anti religion in school and government
- pro progressive taxation
- pro assisted suicide/right to die
- pro stem cell research
- pro campaign finance reform
- pro massive decrease in dependence on foreign oil
- pro massive government investment in wind, solar and hydro power
- anti censorship
- pro open competition with other nations companies for prescription drugs
- pro israel
- anti censorship



just because that does not fit into your attempted narrative of me, does not mean you have to lie to try to prove it.

Very interesting that I agree with one person on so many issues. BTW I have a new Cola commercial coming out for the holidays!

 

[Flashy]

Very interesting that I agree with one person on so many issues. BTW I have a new Cola commercial coming out for the holidays!

sellout :tongue::wink:

 

[Trinity]

As to Trinity: is there anyone left who doesn't that s/he wasn't part of some creepy Operation Chaos troll eruption from the last election? But what else would one expect from a self-admitted white supremacist?

Let me be clear you sad pathetic little man:

Talk about yourself. Call yourself a self-admitted white supremacist and a racist because you can't call me one. You only make yourself look like a complete idiot.

I'm not apart of any operation chaos or whatever else you made up in your whacked out mind.

 

[B_Nick8]

Very interesting that I agree with one person on so many issues. BTW I have a new Cola commercial coming out for the holidays!

Agreed.

sellout :tongue::wink:

Agreed. :biggrin1: :wink:

 

[Flashy]

Agreed.



Agreed. :biggrin1: :wink:

lol

Agreed

:biggrin1:

 

[Bbucko]

Wow this is tough, as an artist myself ( I'm a painter and a Goldsmith ) I've been asked to sell product for companies. I was once asked to produce a range of jewellery for a medium sized diamond dealers from London. The diamonds would of course have been courtesy of the dealers and they wanted a range of pieces which would effectively modernise their brand. They offered a lot of money, and it would have been good PR for me and my work, but I turned them down because they were too specific about aesthetics. I didn't mind that they wanted their new logo on the pieces, but they basically wanted me to copy the designs of another successful Jeweller, and I wasn't interested in doing that.

But artists have always sold out, and not just economically, but morally and intellectually too, it's just a part of the Artist-Patron dynamic.

My background as an artist helped prepare me for much more lucrative work as a specifier and designer of custom furniture, which I did for most of the 90s and the first part of this decade. But they were two completely different skill sets.

I never considered my work in the furniture industry as selling out; I saw it as applying a combination of my creative drive and my marketing/sales experience in a way that enhanced them both. I wasn't bastardizing previous work for money because there was no correlation between what I drew and/or painted and a dining table or bedroom set. But my extensive background selling furniture prepared me not only in sales but also in understanding why someone would go to the added bother, time and expense to order custom-designed product.

Although not all of our competitors had the same scruples, none of my employers had any interest in copying someone else's design. We offered a unique (though limited) vision of what constituted good design and construction and stuck with that. If someone came to me with a photo of somthing they'd seen, I'd adapt it to our look(s) and methods. If someone came with another designer's specifications (drawings, etc), we'd pass on bidding for the project.

 

[Flashy]

Wow this is tough, as an artist myself ( I'm a painter and a Goldsmith ) I've been asked to sell product for companies. I was once asked to produce a range of jewellery for a medium sized diamond dealers from London. The diamonds would of course have been courtesy of the dealers and they wanted a range of pieces which would effectively modernise their brand. They offered a lot of money, and it would have been good PR for me and my work, but I turned them down because they were too specific about aesthetics. I didn't mind that they wanted their new logo on the pieces, but they basically wanted me to copy the designs of another successful Jeweller, and I wasn't interested in doing that.

But artists have always sold out, and not just economically, but morally and intellectually too, it's just a part of the Artist-Patron dynamic.

well, i think you are misconstruing it...there was nothing really "sell out" about what you were doing...you were using your talent at producing jewelry, to design and sell jewelry.

there is nothing wrong with that at all, if you were not comfortable with what they demanded that you do, i admire your making a choice.

but you received the same type of legitimate artistic offer, same as if somebody commissions you to paint a picture for them or their art gallery etc.

you are using your art, for art. i think it is perfectly fine for an artist to sell their own art, obviously. or be paid for their design expertise, etc..
your are selling your art...you are not using your art to sell a cellular phone plan, or beer.

if you are a goldsmith, and a company would like you to design a range of jewelry, i say that is great! that is a pure form of artistic commerce...the artist, provides something of his/her design, to people who choose to buy that design.

my main problem is not with an artist making money...artists have been ripped off since the beginning of time...painters, poets, writers, musicians...they were all ripped off for ages...i am glad that they are making a deserved fortune nowadays when they succeed...

my problem lies with those who are already wildly successful commercial artists (Actors, Musicians, primarily) who choose to use their skill or art to sell something totally unrelated, and often totally hypocritcal.

i wish you well with your designs, and i hope you make a fortune selling them. :smile:

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

well, i think you are misconstruing it...there was nothing really "sell out" about what you were doing...you were using your talent at producing jewelry, to design and sell jewelry.

there is nothing wrong with that at all, if you were not comfortable with what they demanded that you do, i admire your making a choice.

but you received the same type of legitimate artistic offer, same as if somebody commissions you to paint a picture for them or their art gallery etc.

you are using your art, for art. i think it is perfectly fine for an artist to sell their own art, obviously. or be paid for their design expertise, etc..
your are selling your art...you are not using your art to sell a cellular phone plan, or beer.

if you are a goldsmith, and a company would like you to design a range of jewelry, i say that is great! that is a pure form of artistic commerce...the artist, provides something of his/her design, to people who choose to buy that design.

my main problem is not with an artist making money...artists have been ripped off since the beginning of time...painters, poets, writers, musicians...they were all ripped off for ages...i am glad that they are making a deserved fortune nowadays when they succeed...

my problem lies with those who are already wildly successful commercial artists (Actors, Musicians, primarily) who choose to use their skill or art to sell something totally unrelated, and often totally hypocritcal.

i wish you well with your designs, and i hope you make a fortune selling them. :smile:

Thank you :smile: I suppose the point I was making was that, even though I was being employed for my artistry, it was entirely for the purposes of selling this particular companies diamonds, my own work would have been secondary. The reason I didn't take the commission wasn't because it would have been more about the diamond dealer's wears but because they didn't want to give me enough creative input.

If I were ever asked to use my skills to sell someone else's product in the future I would have to assess the brief closely and have creative control, but I have no moral objection to whatever work I do being specifically created to sell someone else's product or concept.

Being a Goldsmith, I often work with materials whose origins are controversial, gems from corrupt or dodgy countries, precious metals mined at the expense of the environment e.t.c. and because these materials are rare and costly I can't always be too picky about where they come from and who I have to deal with in order to obtain them. Of course I try as hard as possible to be as ethical as possible but this isn't always practical.

Lets say I got a deal at some point in the future to do some publicity pieces with De Beers, they're a dubious bunch at best, but I couldn't afford to turn that kind of commission down, and I don't think I would. If that makes me a sell out then I'm comfortable ( not happy ) with that.

 

[HazelGod]

There's a reason why it's called "selling out".

QFT.

The Mrs. did a case study on Tiger Woods during her MBA years as the prime example of brand dilution via celebrity overexposure.