There's books on atheism? What do they say other than don't drink the Jesus Juice? :lmao: Seriously, it's not like you need to go to CCD or confirmation class to learn how to be a good atheist. :tongue:What books about atheism are the best reading ? Besides God Delusion and God isn't great ?
I'm interested in learning more about the new "militant atheism " movement just for curiosity . The book The God Delusion by Richard Dawkings is well written but the material in the book isn't enough for me . I would like to read more books on the subject.There's books on atheism? What do they say other than don't drink the Jesus Juice? :lmao: Seriously, it's not like you need to go to CCD or confirmation class to learn how to be a good atheist. :tongue:
There's books on atheism? What do they say other than don't drink the Jesus Juice? :lmao: Seriously, it's not like you need to go to CCD or confirmation class to learn how to be a good atheist. :tongue:
Wow, NJ, you obviously don't browse the same book stores as I do! There has been an explosion of (to use your apt expression) "don't drink the Jesus Juice" books. The movement has been called "the new atheism," though there is nothing new about it as far as I can tell (nor, I think, do the authors lumped under this label pretend that there is): atheism or "freethinking" was far more widely held and more publicly acceptable in the United States in the 18th and 19th centuries than it is today. Read up on Robert Green Ingersoll to get an idea of what I am talking about: in the later 19th century, he lived off the income from his books and lectures on the follies of religion.
The main aim of the so-called new atheists, as I understand them, is to end the special protection against criticism to which religious beliefs have been subject -- the widely held attitude that it is wrong to subject religious beliefs to the same kind of public critical examination to which other beliefs are subjected just because religious beliefs are so "deeply held" and so "meaningful" to people. To the new atheists, this is tosh: if you are deeply attached to some piece of abject superstition then so much the worse for you if you are offended by having its folly publicly exposed. The most prominent authors and books associated with this movement are:
I have read Dawkins's and Dennett's books. Dawkins's I found uneven but quite worthwhile overall. The inclusion of Dennet's book in this company has always seemed odd to me. It doesn't argue against religious belief, but simply looks at it, as the title says, as a natural phenomenon, and tries to explain how it has occurred in human beings by using Dawkins's conception of "memes." I think it is a very shallow book and shows little insight into the phenomenon that it is concerned with. But, for that matter, the only one of these writers who, to my knowledge, has shown any serious understanding of what he is talking about is Hitchens -- though I say that on the basis of hearing him speak in interviews rather than reading his book.
- Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
- Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Spoils Everything
- Sam Harris, The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation
- Daniel Dennett, Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon.
There is a round table conversation among these four authors in two one-hour videos under the title "The Four Horsemen." I can recommend it.
The physicist Victor Stenger, though he has not attracted as much journalistic attention as the four aforementioned authors, has been at least as industrious and as substantial a writer as they. His most recent atheistic titles are: The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Science and Reason (2009) and God: The Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows that God Does Not Exist (2007). He has written several other books about modern physics and cosmology, debunking, among other things, the fashionable horseshit that quacks like Deepak Chopra have spun out of quantum mechanics.
I myself am very much discontented with these writings. As I have said, the authors, with a limited exception in the case of Hitchens, seem to me to show very little understanding of religion and very little interest in understanding it. But on the whole, given the prevalence of religion-based idiocy in the United States, I think that they do far more good than ill.
Edited to add: Axcess, if your interest in atheism is connected with an interest in science and in the debunking of popular delusions, you may also want to have a look at some skeptical discussion boards:
Freethought and Rationalism Discussion Board
James Randi Educational Foundation Discussion Board
Skeptic Society Forum
No, but some do need the support of texts or groups to cement their new found outlook.Seriously, it's not like you need to go to CCD or confirmation class to learn how to be a good atheist. :tongue:
No, but some do need the support of texts or groups to cement their new found outlook.
Giving up the notion of God, a guiding hand, or order in the world creates significant life change. In macro, it alters your worldview, that's easy. The micro changes are what gets you, specifically how friends or family view your godlessness.
Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead... ahem.
I would like to know more about why or in what way the topic interests you. It seems to me that atheism is not much of a subject in its own right (which I think is the nub of NJ's post, too). This is reflected in the fact thats some people have posted to recommend writings of Ayn Rand puke, Camus, and Nietzsche. These writers are all atheistic, but I don't think of them mainly as writers about atheism. One would recommend different books to, say, the person who has been a religious believer but now is having doubts, the person who was once a believer but now rejects religion, and the person who never was a believer but is alarmed or distressed by the effects of religion and the extent of its hold on the minds of human beings -- to describe just a few possible cases.I'm interested in learning more about the new "militant atheism " movement just for curiosity . The book The God Delusion by Richard Dawkings is well written but the material in the book isn't enough for me . I would like to read more books on the subject.
The God Delusion is well written in my opinion but isn't enough to convert most believers to atheists . I don't believe in a personal god but I'm agnostic about the existence of any gods . Because I never see a deity it doesn't mean that it doesn't exists. In another hand we can believe sometimes in things that doesn't exist . I'm also agnostic about what happen when we die . To me is reasonable to think that humans ( as we are animals ) are absolute absolutely terminated at death . Then again what about near death experiences ? Most scientists dismissed those as brain alusinationsI love Dawkin's science writings, but if you think The God Delusion turned you into an atheist then you were almost there to begin with. I was as disappointed with that book as I was with Bill Maher's movie.
As a theist I find Dawkins challenge to religion as naive as a Creationist's challenge to science. All straw men and ignorance about the subject matter.
You can't beat his science writing, though.
On that note, though, I don't see The Blind Watchmaker or The Ancestor's Tale as a challenge to theism. It is not surprising to find either of those books on any mainstream Christian's shelf. The Ancestor's Tale has no agenda but to illuminate the phylogeny of the great tree of life from the point of view of evolution.
The Blind Watchmaker might be seen to have more of an anti-Creationist agenda where it develops a case for the sufficience of chance and necessity in evolution for creating the diversity of lilfe on the planet. But only a fundamentalist would see that as any kind of challenge to religion. The doctrines of most mainstream Christian denominations embrace those notions readily.
Actually, let me recommend The Blind Watchmaker anyway for both its good science writing and for making a convincing argument against the theodicy of fundamentalism. I would rather you be an atheist than believe in a religion that depends on a literal interpretation of Genesis, especially if your beliefs prevent you from seeing the miracle of a universe that exploits chance and necessity as a major creative force.
Along that line, then, let me also recommend Daniel Dennett's book, Darwin's Dangerous Idea. This book was the one that drove out of me the last bit of need for my religious beliefs to have any empirical basis. I was still relying on personal incredulity to support my religious beliefs before this book cured me of that. After this book, you will be convinced that even the creation of the universe could be easily explained by processes involving chance and necessity.
Along that line, then, let me also recommend Daniel Dennett's book, Darwin's Dangerous Idea. This book was the one that drove out of me the last bit of need for my religious beliefs to have any empirical basis. I was still relying on personal incredulity to support my religious beliefs before this book cured me of that. After this book, you will be convinced that even the creation of the universe could be easily explained by processes involving chance and necessity.
The topic interest me because as agnostic the arguments of god by theists don't convince me a bit . I want to study more about the arguments of god inexistence by atheists to compare . I don't buy any religious dogma since I was like 13 . I was raised by a Catholic family and I started to see the theology of that religion as unlikely . Later in my life I started to study other world religions and my conclusion is that all religions are man made .I would like to know more about why or in what way the topic interests you. It seems to me that atheism is not much of a subject in its own right (which I think is the nub of NJ's post, too). This is reflected in the fact thats some people have posted to recommend writings of Ayn Rand puke, Camus, and Nietzsche. These writers are all atheistic, but I don't think of them mainly as writers about atheism. One would recommend different books to, say, the person who has been a religious believer but now is having doubts, the person who was once a believer but now rejects religion, and the person who never was a believer but is alarmed or distressed by the effects of religion and the extent of its hold on the minds of human beings -- to describe just a few possible cases.
I hope it's more satisfying than Breaking the Spell, since I've got it on my shelf (one part of a large collection of as yet unread books)...
The topic interest me because as agnostic the arguments of god by theists don't convince me a bit . I want to study more about the arguments of god inexistence by atheists to compare . I don't buy any religious dogma since I was like 13 . I was raised by a Catholic family and I started to see the theology of that religion as unlikely . Later in my life I started to study other world religions and my conclusion is that all religions are man made .
Atheists and old-school theists were united in casting scorn on her for this and similar statements, which both parties derided as amounting to atheism in the verbal clothing of theism. I am not sure if that is fair or not. It seems to me that it is only along the lines of such abstraction that religious belief can be made out to be something other than the "patently infantile" affair that Freud held it to be. ("The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life." --Civilization and Its Discontents.) What I don't know is whether there is really anything left in theism besides a kind of verbal gesticulation once the superstitious elements are removed.In the past, many of the most influential Jewish, Christian and Muslim thinkers understood that what we call "God" is merely a symbol that points beyond itself to an indescribable transcendence, whose existence cannot be proved but is only intuited by means of spiritual exercises and a compassionate lifestyle that enable us to cultivate new capacities of mind and heart.
Cheesus. The Bible does it for me.