Atheism = Farce!

[NC_BBC]

I give up. Cause somehow the word GOD just turns people into idiots.

I know that Sir Issac didn't discover gravity. Which is why I put quotes around the word DISCOVERED. I was simply stating that there are things in this world which exist that human beings CAN'T comprehend....that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The true fact of the matter is....NONE of us KNOW.... and anything hinting at the "beginning" of existence still can't be proven true. Just because a large group of people accept something as true.

I believe that SOMETHING brought all of us into existence .... call it god or whatever you want.... makes me no difference. What I call arrogant is the idea that "I don't understand so it must not be real" That type of thinking makes it seem as though human beings are super intelligent beings capable of understanding everything in this universe. We don't. If we did we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I just CHOOSE to believe in god. You can CHOOSE to believe whatever you want... neither one of us is more right than the other on a Technical level...

 

[Incocknito]

Bro....your "logic" is so functionally flawed its worth attempting to understand.

So... the "gods" were around before "god"? Says who? Especially if you follow the belief most "atheist" follow...which is "people created god to explain the unexplainable"....

Sooooooo if the "gods" were here before people AND "god" then please explain how the "gods" you speak of are any more real than my "god"... Because you say so? Who's here to say who was here first... if gods created god...before people were here. Who's here to make that call if it all happened before the people who now debate over it...weren't even here yet...

Unless you truly believe people created god... and in that case...who created people? Some unexplained and unexplainable chain of events? I guess I'm just a fool for choosing to believe in something I can't explain.....

Bro, its called history. You should check it out sometime. And I am not the one saying these gods exist.

You were the one who said, "I'm...not ignorant enough to say that anything I can't prove or understand doesn't exist." I was just following YOUR OWN 'LOGIC'.

There are thousands if not millions of gods that have been worshiped throughout history. Many of which predate whatever God you choose to believe in.

Either they are all real or they are all made up. Or you can be a hypocrite and choose one god out of all the others...when essentially they are all as (un)believable as each other.

If there were only one God that had been written about or worshiped throughout history then I would believe in it too. But the fact that there have been so many just leads me to conclude that they are all inventions of man.

 

[NC_BBC]

Bro, its called history. You should check it out sometime. And I am not the one saying these gods exist.

You were the one who said, "I'm...not ignorant enough to say that anything I can't prove or understand doesn't exist." I was just following YOUR OWN 'LOGIC'.

There are thousands if not millions of gods that have been worshiped throughout history. Many of which predate whatever God you choose to believe in.

Either they are all real or they are all made up. Or you can be a hypocrite and choose one god out of all the others...when essentially they are all as (un)believable as each other.

If there were only one God that had been written about or worshiped throughout history then I would believe in it too. But the fact that there have been so many just leads me to conclude that they are all inventions of man.

I honestly don't even know what you're talking about anymore. I know what history is...so cut the failed attempt at facetiousness.

MY point is....there was a begging. Call it god, bob, or Dr. Sues...I don't care. EVERYONE has to admit there was a beginning... What you choose to call the beginning is up to you. I call it God. You call it whatever you call it. Neither one of us is any closer to proving or disproving either instance.

What I don't get is how salty you all get when someone mentions GOD. For something that "doesn't exist" or "was created by humans" it sure can stir up a bunch of salty, over sensitive people who claim to be soooooooooooo strong in their total disbelief of it's existence.

 

[NC_BBC]

Bro, its called history. You should check it out sometime. And I am not the one saying these gods exist.

You were the one who said, "I'm...not ignorant enough to say that anything I can't prove or understand doesn't exist." I was just following YOUR OWN 'LOGIC'.

There are thousands if not millions of gods that have been worshiped throughout history. Many of which predate whatever God you choose to believe in.

Either they are all real or they are all made up. Or you can be a hypocrite and choose one god out of all the others...when essentially they are all as (un)believable as each other.

If there were only one God that had been written about or worshiped throughout history then I would believe in it too. But the fact that there have been so many just leads me to conclude that they are all inventions of man.

I'm not arguing or trying to convince you that god exists....so give up on trying to convince me that he doesn't. My life and experiences have shown me something greater than myself. If you haven't had such an experience, or if you have and chose to ignore it, so be it. That's between you and who ever you answer to at the end of your life. You're free to believe whatever you want.

I can't disprove your beliefs anymore than you can disprove mine. So pull your panties out of your snatch and calm down. Cause I really don't care what you think...

 

[kennethmarkzamora]

And so the MORAL of the story is:

"To each his own."

 

[Drifterwood]

I understand what you're saying about the creationists paradox ...but even in instances where that quantum energy appears out of nowhere... people who put all their faith in science have to ignore one of the most profound rules of science... the law of causality. NOTHING cannot produce SOMETHING. Its impossible in the physical realm we inhabit. Just because human technology has yet to advance to a point where we can determine the origin of said quantum anomaly...doesn't mean we can or should say it just happened out of nowhere.

You are wrong. Lots of things, perhaps everything happens by chance. It only looks like order because so many millions of random permutations have been tried and so the ones that work look like they have been created.

In a way they have been created but only out of natural chance.

Please stop saying things like faith in science, it shows that you don't understand science and that you cannot project to understand where other people are coming from. This is a very common fault in fundamentalists.

 

[NC_BBC]

You are wrong. Lots of things, perhaps everything happens by chance. It only looks like order because so many millions of random permutations have been tried and so the ones that work look like they have been created.

In a way they have been created but only out of natural chance.

Please stop saying things like faith in science, it shows that you don't understand science and that you cannot project to understand where other people are coming from. This is a very common fault in fundamentalists.

Smh...Jesus....


Dude.... I know that nature is random. I never once said it wasn't. I also didn't say that faith in science meant you believed in god or whatever. When I say people put their faith in science I meant people look to science for all the answers. Which is fine...if that's how they choose to live their lives. I personally DON'T CARE. But I love the way people bash Christianity for being soooooooo "intolerant" to other views and beliefs ....but here I am...not telling anyone they're views are stupid, ignorant, or wrong.....but everyone here feels fine telling me my views and beliefs are all the above....when neither of us is any closer to proving or disproving our own beliefs ....

 

[NC_BBC]

And so the MORAL of the story is:

"To each his own."

SOMEBODY get's it!!!!

 

[ConanTheBarber]

There are thousands if not millions of gods that have been worshiped throughout history. Many of which predate whatever God you choose to believe in.

Either they are all real or they are all made up. Or you can be a hypocrite and choose one god out of all the others...when essentially they are all as (un)believable as each other.

Either they are all real or they are all made up? That doesn't follow from anything.
I am Spartacus. No, I am Spartacus. No, I am Spartacus. Etc.
Doesn't mean that there is no Spartacus.
All this said, I am agnostic myself.

If there were only one God that had been written about or worshipped throughout history then I would believe in it too.

An equally foolish statement.
That 'god' could be as bogus as anything.

 

[NC_BBC]

either they are all real or they are all made up? That doesn't follow from anything.
I am spartacus. No, i am spartacus. No, i am spartacus. Etc.
Doesn't mean that there is no spartacus.
All this said, i am agnostic myself.


An equally foolish statement.
That 'god' could be as bogus as anything.

thank you!!!!!!!!

 

[ManofThunder]

People should follow my lead and worship breasts; my life has improved considerably since joining the Church of Divine Bosom. I hear the Church of Holy Phallus is also quite popular.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

People should follow my lead and worship breasts; my life has improved considerably since joining the Church of Divine Bosom. I hear the Church of Holy Phallus is also quite popular.

Makes fine sense.
Churches both with shrines everywhere.

 

[ManofThunder]

Makes fine sense.
Churches both with shrines everywhere.

Exactly. You can join one or both! Their version of communion isn't something you'll forget in a hurry.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Exactly. You can join one or both! Their version of communion isn't something you'll forget in a hurry.

And isn't communion what it's all about?

 

[bigred0818]

Does this explanation help?

God (G) created the Universe (O) (imagine that this letter O is a mini universe with billions of galaxies in it).

If O is a subset and = all of existence, what does this imply?

Note that God is not in this subset, because god must have been outside of it in order to create it in the first place. But if this subset = everything that exists, anything, therefore, outside of this subset doesn't.

Simple, logical mathematics.

Bible: "God lives in the sky, which is called Heaven"
Modern science: "Yeh, we went there but couldn't see anything"
Bible: "Yeh, obviously. Because he's invisible."
Modern science: "oh, right. That's why."

 

[PhoenixInvictus]

I give up. Cause somehow the word GOD just turns people into idiots.

I know that Sir Issac didn't discover gravity. Which is why I put quotes around the word DISCOVERED. I was simply stating that there are things in this world which exist that human beings CAN'T comprehend....that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The true fact of the matter is....NONE of us KNOW.... and anything hinting at the "beginning" of existence still can't be proven true. Just because a large group of people accept something as true.

I believe that SOMETHING brought all of us into existence .... call it god or whatever you want.... makes me no difference. What I call arrogant is the idea that "I don't understand so it must not be real" That type of thinking makes it seem as though human beings are super intelligent beings capable of understanding everything in this universe. We don't. If we did we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I just CHOOSE to believe in god. You can CHOOSE to believe whatever you want... neither one of us is more right than the other on a Technical level...

I second that, but you are definitely more right than any Atheist, and most of if not ALL Bible thumpers, any day of the week, and don't doubt this for one second. There is a God and many other things beyond our comprehension. There are things on this Earth that many people can't even wrap their minds around, and won't come across. I love science as much as the next guy, it is very valuable, but our science isn't even that old, so for people to think that they can use their science/data, and their still evolving minds (that we don't even use 15% of ) to argue that there is no God, is somewhat arrogant, not to mention annoying. I'd have to see humanity get over prejudice, racism, sexism, homophobia, war mongering, greed for money, and ritual brain washing, before I even take any one seriously who tells me there isn't a God, or who tells me there is a God but he is a "Jealous God wrathful God" and then start to assign other baser human qualities to a power that is above all that. It's bullshit, and I'm not having it. This I will say specifically to people who worship God, there is far too much malevolence in this world, and if you know there is a God, and you actually RESPECT that there is a higher power, be as BENEVOLENT as possible when you are out there. Develop your mind, and as well as your spirit. You'll be better off for it, and better equipped to see and deal with all the insanity and strife that's happening today.

 

[bigred0818]

I second that, but you are definitely more right than any Atheist, and most of if not ALL Bible thumpers, any day of the week, and don't doubt this for one second. There is a God and many other things beyond our comprehension. There are things on this Earth that many people can't even wrap their minds around, and won't come across. I love science as much as the next guy, it is very valuable, but our science isn't even that old, so for people to think that they can use their science/data, and their still evolving minds (that we don't even use 15% of ) to argue that there is no God, is somewhat arrogant, not to mention annoying. I'd have to see humanity get over prejudice, racism, sexism, homophobia, war mongering, greed for money, and ritual brain washing, before I even take any one seriously who tells me there isn't a God, or who tells me there is a God but he is a "Jealous God wrathful God" and then start to assign other baser human qualities to a power that is above all that. It's bullshit, and I'm not having it. This I will say specifically to people who worship God, there is far too much malevolence in this world, and if you know there is a God, and you actually RESPECT that there is a higher power, be as BENEVOLENT as possible when you are out there. Develop your mind, and as well as your spirit. You'll be better off for it, and better equipped to see and deal with all the insanity and strife that's happening today.

LOL - your entire tirade is completely contradictive. But good try.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

But according to Aqua Eyes the stigma surrounding sexuality (which came from religious condemnation of sex and all things related to it) is what created the term or etymology of what people and society deem "pornagraphic". So no...the Bible didn't predate sex or the human body/figure... but it did predate "porn"...because it had to be there (1st) in order to create that "dirty" stigma. The human body, whether amply endowed or flat as a board, isn't pornagraphic....to me...a Christian. Neither is sex. Both being natural and having a place and function.

Well, that's a good point... cavemen, greeks and other ancients did not see images of sex or erections as sinful or wrong, ergo it wasn't pornography... it was just pictures of normal everyday stuff.

 

[KindlyJedi]

Makes fine sense.
Churches both with shrines everywhere.

Yup. Japan has Shinto shrines containing gigantic cocks. India has Lingam and Yoni shrines everywhere. In stone age europe, the Great Mother had huge breasts and was worshipped everywhere.

Personally, I'm firmly Taoist. I truly hate religions that discriminate or take away a person's rights and freedoms. So far, this includes ALL of them except Taoism. ALL of them.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Either they are all real or they are all made up? That doesn't follow from anything.
I am Spartacus. No, I am Spartacus. No, I am Spartacus. Etc.
Doesn't mean that there is no Spartacus.
All this said, I am agnostic myself.


An equally foolish statement.
That 'god' could be as bogus as anything.

Sorry... but the conclusion is entirely supported by the evidence.
Lots of different, mutually incompatible "beliefs" about Gods... not one of which has even a shred of actual evidence in support.

Each one claiming that it is the "real" truth about the "real" god or gods.

They can not possibly ALL be correct, since each claims exclusivity of truth.
Not even any TWO of them can be correct, again because of their own claims of exclusivity.

Ergo, Occam's razor suggests that, since ALL of them CAN easily be EQUALLY wrong... that is the most likely explanation... That each culture invents its own fantasy narrative to explain things that were, at their origin, unexplainable.

Each undergoes the same arc of struggling with the fact that things they originally explained as agencies of divine intervention are, in fact, perfectly understandable as normal causal events occurring under predictable circumstances. So each belief system reliant on supernatural forces experiences erosion of those events that they must rely on Divinity to explain.

A God who was sold to the Early Israelites as capable of fire and brimstone and earth encircling floods... is reduced to amateurish impressionist attempts at family portraiture in cheese sandwiches, water stains on walls, and scorched tortillas.

Since all human cultures have creation myths... as a consequence of wanting to understand and control the world around them and salve their fears of death, and we Can know that Not All of them Can possible be the one true story... the likelihood that any One of them could be the One True Story is so close to zero as to be indistinguishable from not possible.

In short... these stories arose in a time when human beings did not HAVE the tools to use science to understand the world around them.

They have all been proven entirely and utterly wrong on Every single aspect of their narrative that science has become able to test.

Ergo, given their rate of error ( 100% of all testable assertions proven false )
and given the state of human knowledge at the time these stories were first codified, the only rational conclusion is that they are ALL 100% wrong.

This by no means proves that there is NO GOD.

But it does prove that ALL human conceptions of any potential God are false.

Meaning... NO religious faith is even remotely close to the truth.

therefore, a true agnostic not only claims no faith in God... but acknowledges that all existing faiths are defacto false. They make claims they can not possibly know.

The term agnostic doesn't mean " i don't know if there's a god."
It means that any possible God can not even be known.

True Agnostics are not suspending judgement on faith. They absolutely Know that ALL faiths are equally full of shit.