AquaEyes, Thank you for your links regarding abiogenisis, it was an interesting read and as per the norm one link leads to another to another
Yet the words and phrases such as... suggests, might, depends on, however, concept... and many more kept popping up. I did not see at any time a suggestion that evidence produced gave a 100% iron clad gaurantee that this is how life evolved.
It depended always on the existence of the physical, which includes the presence of molecules, electons/protons, to produce a successful outcome set in a laboratory scene. Remember, there were no labs around when the Universe was created. Science assumes that there was or had to be always something there, to create something. It was interesting to read through the differing theories, albeit a bit speedily. To see lightning suggested as a precursor theory, to excite the elements to induce life was interesting, considering science still is not able to explain why lightning occurs and it's effects on the planet, yet able to explain the beginnings of the Universe and beginnings life is beyond me, well not totally. But for mine, I would go with the volcanic venting into the acidic oceans. Anyone who is a fisherperson would tell you the best fishing and oceanic life is where warm meets cool. Again, thank you for your links, but please, don't associate me with God botherers
I am still searching in my own little mind for answers, in my own little way. One of the best if not the most mportant inventions of recent times is the sillycunt chip, allows sillycunts like me who came through a time of parents not being able to afford expensive encyclopedia. Yet it in turn, allowed a little freedom of thinking I spose, not to be polluted by others ideas and theories.
Calboner, remember this thread?
http://www.lpsg.com/13988-ufos-8.html
In this thread I made a suggestion in which just maybe, we are not the only Universe. I think you treated my idea a little childishly by suggesting I did not know what I was on about and in no way was it possible. You posted a link. To my surprise, in that link I discovered it was an idea/theory that was previously suggested, going back to the 70's-80's so I posted the theory from the link you gave me of Quantum Fluctuations to support my idea that other Universes may exist, there was no reply post from you in that particular thread. Oh yes, and my crap drawing
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I had no idea at the time that Stephen Hawking had changed his mind on his early ideas to now be in support of Quantum Fluctuation ( I could be wrong, because I have not read his books) His latest ideas seem to be in support , where he says in a 2010 speech, "we are the product of Quantum Fluctuations"
The Origin of the Universe - Stephen Hawking. Seems minds are able to change when they whish, to suit a theory which best suits their ideas of beginnings. Even though I like the ideas of quantum fluctuation I have a problem with it. Because if we were on the edge of an expansion, creation of other Universes would expand remnant antimatter into the Universe created before it, it would cause matter in the previous Universe to destruct when colliding with antimatter left over from the creation of the new Universe. Also the theory would depend on that space, dark matter, has no dimension, no boundary. Where if the Universe where singular, space or the vacuum the Universe was created may have a boundary. It has also been discovered by NASA, thanks to data received from the Hubble telescope, that dark energy (matter), which scientists supposedly, had down pat to be the energy that keeps the Universe together is not behaving as they had once previously thought. Thanks to observing Galaxy collisions. With all the theories that abound it still gives no answer as to how a collision of matter, where no matter, mass exists, or gravity, to draw matter together at a speed for a collision to create a Universe. Nor is there an answer at the moment, where the antimatter is disipated. Does it still remain as a Black Hole, a rip in the vacuum at the center of everything? For the matter to return to, to collide again? Maybe it explains why their are, or, a number of Black Holes, because of Universes appering from Quantum Fluctuation? Who knows.
Phil, There is only one thing I have found that is larger than the Universe, that is some scientists and theologians egos. Neither can tell me they have a 100% source or trail to the beginning. If you are willing to supply me with a signed warranty that this is how things began then I will accept it, only until another produces a better explanation on how it all started. But i don't think anyone will be around to in the end to find out
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There are those scientists that believe in God, there are those that don't, yet those that don't, believe things go around and around. I wish sometimes I could spurt out all that goes through my mind, but it becomes distracting and I find myself going off in tangents left, right, center and reverse. Physics exists because of the physical, everything has to start from something. The oceanic gyres of the earth would not contain the remnants of plastic man has made since the 50's. If man had not of invented plastic, those mega tons of plastic garbage in our oceans would not exist. Yet it was invented, it exists, yet it poisons us, or will. It was invented, created from materials that already existed. Yet if those materials to create it did not exist, how would you come up with the idea of plastic?
By the way, on a side note to one of your assumptions in a previous post. I live in an area where we are exposed to cyclonic winds. When studying to become a builder we needed to do, or be practiced in wind bracing calculations. Klionewtons, when wind passes over a roof, ridge. It is the suction of the wind over the ridge that will pull, suck a roof off. A roof will not be blown off. An aircraft wing is designed for it to be sucked up as the air passes over it, a powered aircraft is thrust into the wind, not the other way around. Is the same reason why F1 vehicles have inverted wings to draw them to the ground as the faster they travel the more suction to the track. Is one of the many incorrect assumptions you seem to have made about myself and others.
