Atheism = Farce!

[NC_BBC]

If that something was just an occurrence, and not a being, then it is incapable of caring. Only when one anthropomorphizes the unknown into a being do we start wondering what emotional characteristics the being has. People once thought the tides were moved by a god. Later it was realized that mover wasn't a god but the effects of the moon's gravitational pull on the water.http://www.lpsg.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4719253 Does the moon care about the effects of its actions? Does it choose to erode away islands because the actions of the inhabitants displease it?

That's true Aqua. I doubt the moon cares about any of that. But me, being a cognitive being, I find it hard to believe that I, or the humans that preceded me, came from an unintelligent, unemotional, random occurrence. Nothing, if left unstimulated, won't produce something....especially something as complex as this universe and it's inhabitants.

 

[NC_BBC]

Really? This is what the discussion is coming to?

argh....

THANK YOU! lol.... That's that guy....off on a little rant. lol

Like I said, someone (probably Christian) hurt him in some way and he's just venting at this point... Sad...but ....to each his own... He's not hurting my feelings.

 

[NC_BBC]

You are a boring typical swirly eyed bigoted halfwit with an nonexistant invisible friend, and someone going to punch your very hard in your smug little face

Even the people who side with you don't like you lol.... Sorry man...you fail.

 

[NC_BBC]

Logic, reason, debate, argument, etc. -- with an emphasis on empathy. I like how Dawkins answered it best in the clip below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgHoyTvyh4o

My thing is....if Christianity, or any other religion, keeps a person on a straight, narrow, and honest path...why do so many people HATE it so much? yes it can and HAS been used for evil...but so has EVERYTHING else in this world...

Paul Mooney said it best "People hate the bible so much because it takes it foot and get's in man's ass"...

 

[NC_BBC]

You are a boring typical swirly eyed bigoted halfwit with an nonexistant invisible friend, and someone going to punch your very hard in your smug little face

Look just grow up

 

[AquaEyes11010]

That's true Aqua. I doubt the moon cares about any of that. But me, being a cognitive being, I find it hard to believe that I, or the humans that preceded me, came from an unintelligent, unemotional, random occurrence. Nothing, if left unstimulated, won't produce something....especially something as complex as this universe and it's inhabitants.

I find it easier to believe than that some even more cognitive, more emotional being (i.e. god) which "must be responsible" for our existence wouldn't thus have to come from something even greater (to create it), ad infinitum. If you say that god is so great that it didn't require a creator, then you basically negated your argument that we are too great to be a result of random occurrences guiding natural selection, resulting in increasing complexity in a competitive environment.

You say you find it hard to believe, so you believe otherwise. But what actually happened isn't based on what's easier for we humans to believe. Once, it was easier to believe that the sun and moon were of about the same size, and both orbited the earth, as per our perspective from the earth. But that didn't make it the way things actually were.

An answer may be easily digested, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. But some prefer having an easily understood answer to leaving questions unanswered. And so they go with believing in a god (or gods) to close the open-ended questions.

 

[SprinkleMe69]

It's ironic how man cries out for God when he breathes his last breath.

 

[NC_BBC]

I find it easier to believe than that some even more cognitive, more emotional being (i.e. god) which "must be responsible" for our existence wouldn't thus have to come from something even greater (to create it), ad infinitum. If you say that god is so great that it didn't require a creator, then you basically negated your argument that we are too great to be a result of random occurrences guiding natural selection, resulting in increasing complexity in a competitive environment.

You say you find it hard to believe, so you believe otherwise. But what actually happened isn't based on what's easier for we humans to believe. Once, it was easier to believe that the sun and moon were of about the same size, and both orbited the earth, as per our perspective from the earth. But that didn't make it the way things actually were.

An answer may be easily digested, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. But some prefer having an easily understood answer to leaving questions unanswered. And so they go with believing in a god (or gods) to close the open-ended questions.

But I NEVER SAID GOD DIDN'T REQUIRE A CREATOR!!! People keep throwing that out like I've said "God created himself".... That's not even possible. I've said that like 3 times already.

And it's not a matter of just making something up. How come nobody addresses what I've explained twice....like explaining the workings or sexual reproduction or a combustion engine to a toddler...do you think it's even possible to for humans to perceive the creator, his existence, beginning, or intentions? Do you think sperm can perceive the world you and I live in?

 

[NC_BBC]

It's ironic how man cries out for God when he breathes his last breath.

People cry for god in many instances of extreme pressure... evne non believers. :dunno:

 

[AquaEyes11010]

My thing is....if Christianity, or any other religion, keeps a person on a straight, narrow, and honest path...why do so many people HATE it so much? yes it can and HAS been used for evil...but so has EVERYTHING else in this world...

Paul Mooney said it best "People hate the bible so much because it takes it foot and get's in man's ass"...

Like I've said many times, if it works for you, great...keep doing it. But getting up and saying that because it works for you it must be true, and thus everyone should follow it, is when people get cranky. Christianity and Islam are rather pushy that way (the beliefs, not necessarily all believers). They are proselytizing -- "spread the faith, convert the unbelievers, destroy those who resist" has been going on in them for centuries, though things have mellowed somewhat in recent history.

But ultimately, I find the religions annoying because 1) they are based on books that are claimed to be god-inspired, and thus are often claimed to be infallible, yet 2) there are contradictions throughout, and 3) one can easily find a line out of context to support just about any line of thought -- since it's in the bible, it can't be refuted, right?

It's the ease with which they can be used to turn sheep into warriors with little thought that I find them frightening. Any group of devoted followers can be made to do crazy things when told to do so by a charismatic power-hungry leader promising eternal life to mere mortals. While most religious people do not fall into this trap, the potential is there. I prefer a group of individual thinkers than groups who allow an individual to think for them.

 

[AquaEyes11010]

But I NEVER SAID GOD DIDN'T REQUIRE A CREATOR!!! People keep throwing that out like I've said "God created himself".... That's not even possible. I've said that like 3 times already.

And it's not a matter of just making something up. How come nobody addresses what I've explained twice....like explaining the workings or sexual reproduction or a combustion engine to a toddler...do you think it's even possible to for humans to perceive the creator, his existence, beginning, or intentions? Do you think sperm can perceive the world you and I live in?

Exactly what I've been saying -- we anthropomorphize to explain things in an easier way to children, and the "god did it" explanation is a carryover for adults. Many people can't perceive the process, so they make it a being and call it god. That might make it easier for them to have answers, but that doesn't mean it's the right answers -- just more easily digested.

 

[9InchJezmo]

sorry but the guy is just your typical bigoted swirly eyed dimwit bleating about his invisible sky fairy and anyone who doesnt believe in his invisible friend 'doesn't understand'
bit like Ivan jelical here

Ivan Jelical, from British comic Viz. Thought r/atheism might appreciate it. - Imgur

 

[NC_BBC]

sorry but the guy is just your typical bigoted swirly eyed dimwit bleating about his invisible sky fairy and anyone who doesnt believe in his invisible friend 'doesn't understand'
bit like Ivan jelical here

Ivan Jelical, from British comic Viz. Thought r/atheism might appreciate it. - Imgur

More ranting for a pretentious, angry little man...tell us more about what you know about me.

 

[NC_BBC]

Exactly what I've been saying -- we anthropomorphize to explain things in an easier way to children, and the "god did it" explanation is a carryover for adults. Many people can't perceive the process, so they make it a being and call it god. That might make it easier for them to have answers, but that doesn't mean it's the right answers -- just more easily digested.

Nothing has proven it to be the right answer...but has anything shown that the religion IN IT'S ENTIRETY should be thrown out?

 

[NC_BBC]

sorry but the guy is just your typical bigoted swirly eyed dimwit bleating about his invisible sky fairy and anyone who doesnt believe in his invisible friend 'doesn't understand'
bit like Ivan jelical here

Ivan Jelical, from British comic Viz. Thought r/atheism might appreciate it. - Imgur

I honestly don't even think you understand any of the insults you're TRYING (and failing) to use...smh. Get it together man...

 

[AquaEyes11010]

Nothing has proven it to be the right answer...but has anything shown that the religion IN IT'S ENTIRETY should be thrown out?

It should be thrown out as being TRUE because it was thought up by people seeking answers to questions without the tools or understanding to find out what REALLY happened. We are barely scratching the surface today, but we know more now about the natural world than any author from thousands of years ago. But, like I've said, if the stories give you good feelings, continue to cherish them yourself -- if for that reason alone. That is enough.

 

[9InchJezmo]

Ive given you the chance to prove the existence of your god, and you cannot,so if you want to live your life based on fantasy thats fine there is clearly nothing that anyone can do, if you want to live your life on your knees whispering to some fictitious sky fairy thats fine but dont start whining if people ask you to justify any of your beliefs, because the simple fact is that you cannot justify any of your beliefs in any rationa wayl, give me one good solid reason other than blind faith as to why i should not think you are a rather ignorant and arrogant little boy
Just dont expect anyone who has the ability to look at your claims with some kind of rational questions as to why you hold your beliefs to join you on your knees

 

[NC_BBC]

Allow me to show you your ignorance...

You are a boring

Check the posts...people have been primarily responding to ME for about 10 or more pages now....they may not like me, or what I'm saying...but boring I'm not

swirly eyed

I don't even consistently attend church... I read the bible, and study other religions at my leisure... and I don't come from a Church going household...so nobody brainwashed me, I'm on my journey with faith all on my own.

bigoted

Seems you don't quite understand what this means. OR....you're too worried about insulting someone you don't know that you skipped the 5 or 6 times I've spoken on my own acceptance and study of other religions and beliefs. Am I lying AquaEyes?

and someone going to punch your very hard in your smug little face

Lol...get real kid.

 

[NC_BBC]

It should be thrown out as being TRUE because it was thought up by people seeking answers to questions without the tools or understanding to find out what REALLY happened. We are barely scratching the surface today, but we know more now about the natural world than any author from thousands of years ago. But, like I've said, if the stories give you good feelings, continue to cherish them yourself -- if for that reason alone. That is enough.

So what happens if we kill religion and all theistic beliefs...only to find in the future that some of those "stories", while childishly simplistic, were exactly as it is? I just don't like that people are saying to just "call it total bullshit, until it's proven true".

 

[AquaEyes11010]

Look at it objectively -- there are books made up of stories passed down for generations and upon which religions were built after much editing, with some stories kept and others discarded. These stories sometimes converge on each other, but also often contradict. Many explanations offered in the stories have been found to be incorrect, while others are untestable. If these books were people, you'd consider them inconsistent and unreliable. If there were still some bits that these people said to you that you can't prove are wrong or untrue, would you still believe them? Would they still have validity?