Atheists & Agnostics Only Please.

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I'm a Puritan, celebrations are the devil's work. People making merry and kissing under mistletoe. It should be banned.

Which it was, during the interregnum in Britain, and colonial Massachusetts. Their were fines for people caught celebrating Christmas.

Now one of the local Baptist churches puts ads in the paper offering legal service for anyone who thinks they are being deprived the right to put up a nativity. Their predecessors would have been shocked at them adopting Catholic customs.

No one knows the day, month, of year of Jesus's birth, the observance was set to coincide with Dies Natus Sol Invictus.

Christians who claim it is all about them are ignorant.
 

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Amen, brother!!!

I don't know about a relationship between atheism and cock size. I guess it could be that many guys with small cocks unfortunately retreat from sex and convince themselves that sex is only a spiritual thing and not a physical one. Guys find a virgin woman to marry and hope that she never thinks about all that she might be missing sexually. They then feel that they can look down their self-righteous religious noses at people who enjoy the physicality of sex, sexual variety, and, yes, big cocks.

But there is definitely a relationship between atheism and an openness about the whole range of sexual experiences. I am in fact surprised to find that there are as many religious people on this site as there are. The level of interest in things sexual -- and in cocks -- that it takes for us to be here just seems inconsistent with anything but the most liberal fringe of the religious world.

Can I just say how nice it is to see all the athiests and agnostics speaking up? It gives me hope that at least part of the human race continues to evolve. I wonder if there's any correlation between such enlightenment and cock size. There seems to be a disproportionate number of well-hung athiests/agnostics. Perhaps in a few thousand years, the human race will have evolved to a point where athiesm and big dicks are the norm. Now there's a future worth fighting for!

As the product of a religiously-mixed marriage, I was not raised as anything, however, as my mother is catholic, we always had a tree, decorations, presents, etc. Except for whatever meaning my mother attached to all that in her head, those activities had nothing whatsoever to do with the birth of jesus. It was always, and remains to this day, a time to gather with family, eat lots of food, exchange presents and air out dysfunction. It's good for the economy.
 
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Hi, my name is Wartrac and I'm an Agnostic....

Hiiiiii Wartrac.......

But I digress, as most here, for me it's just about getting together for the holidays. If it wasn't for my kids however, I'm sure it would just be any other day to me. They enjoy it so I enjoy it with them, but not on the day itself since I agreed to let the Ex have them on the actual holiday. My ex-wife is a devout Catholic, which has caused us many an arguement. Which I will avoid talking about to avoid hijacking the thread.

But yes, it's just an excuse to get together with folks maybe reminisce etc.
I agree, if I had children Christmas would be a bit different and more traditional.

Were you raised Catholic? Don't take this the wrong way. If so you probably know taking Communion without having confessed your sins to a priest has no meaning and is wrong in the Catholic faith. I was raised Catholic but I don't agree with a lot about their faith and have changed my beliefs to a non-denominal christian faith. I love Christmas but I think it has lost a lot of it's spiritual meaning and has become to commercialized. Nor do I agree with how we have become "politically correct" with Christmas and not offending non Christians. This is the USA and our founding Fathers built this country with Christian beliefs in mind. Sorry for the ranting :rant:
I was raised Catholic, but am irreligious.
As I stated, if my mother asks me to attend mass or take communion, I will, but it is to her comfort, not mine.

Fortunately, the founders of this country gave us a freedom of religion and a freedom from religion, so no one is obligated to be a Christian, or revere or observe Christian rites. :smile:
 

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Why Atheists and Agnostics ? What about Buddhists , Hindus , Muslims Jews and other religions that don't believe in christmas ? Christians are only about 33 percent of world population . I personally don't believe in any holidays but is great to have free days to share with family and friends.
 

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Which it was, during the interregnum in Britain, and colonial Massachusetts. Their were fines for people caught celebrating Christmas.

Now one of the local Baptist churches puts ads in the paper offering legal service for anyone who thinks they are being deprived the right to put up a nativity. Their predecessors would have been shocked at them adopting Catholic customs.

No one knows the day, month, of year of Jesus's birth, the observance was set to coincide with Dies Natus Sol Invictus.

Christians who claim it is all about them are ignorant.

That' right Christmas is basically a pagan holiday . Jesus wasn't even born in december to begin with it .
 

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Thanks for all the great answers. :smile: This actually clears up a lot of misconceptions and myths I had heard about agnostics and atheists and has given me a better understanding of your beliefs and/or lack thereof. :cool:

I'm sort of like this as well. Though as you get older, friends and family die or drift off elsewhere.
Of a mixed bag: my daughter is coming home, bringing her husband with her. She's dropped out of college and the marriage is on rough grounds. We'll see what happens.

Better than the Thanksgiving where my sister in law gave birth and her husband got violently drunk and passed out in the living room...
Holidays at your house sound like fun. :biggrin1: One year my ex-con cousin, his 3 children, and all 3 baby mommas and their other children showed up for Thanksgiving. Can you say drama? :eek:

Why Atheists and Agnostics ? What about Buddhists , Hindus , Muslims, Jews and other religions that don't believe in christmas?
I didn't include the other major world religions because they have holidays associated with them already. To the best of my knowledge there is no holiday associated with being atheist or agnostic. Hence my curiosity.

That' right Christmas is basically a pagan holiday . Jesus wasn't even born in december to begin with it .
Yeah, I didn't want to get into all that.:rolleyes: I was merely curious about how people who don't claim a religion feel about Christmas.
 

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This question is for atheists and agnostics only.

What if anything does Christmas mean to you? I have known only a few atheists in my life. While the all agree they don't believe in God or any higher power, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on Christmas. :confused: Do you put up a tree? Do you do lights and decorations? Do you give gifts? Will you accept gifts? Do you just do Christmas because your family expects it?

I'm not condemning, I'm just curious and confused. :confused:
I've been an freethinker since my teens. As you know, I put "Secularist" in my Facebook profile. If I put "Atheist" then I get the stigma. If I put "Freethinker" then nobody knows WTF I'm talking about.

I have respected Christmas in a way similar to that of the Jews who I know; I have nothing against it, and I even engage in a few of the non-Christian rituals: I share a few gifts with people; I used to put up a tree, but I stopped that a few years back; I usually put a lit candle thing in my window; I wish people a "happy holiday."

When I was in my mid-teens, I remember being in a tight group of friends. On the day before Christmas, we'd go from shop to shop in my hometown and burst in and start singing carols (loudly!) then run to another shop.

I like Christmas carols, but I feel like a hypocrite if I sing them--especially the traditional Christian ones.

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Before anyone calls me on it, yes I know that "holiday" is derived from "Holy Day." "Season's Greetings" sounds too odd to me, and "Merry Christmas" seems unnatural for me. I'll stick with "Happy Holidays" until the PC nazis come up with something better.
 
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Have a gay Yule!:biggrin1:

The term is old English/German/Scandanavian, for the coldest and darkest month, and is no more derived from Christianity than Lupercalia is.
 

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Before anyone calls me on it, yes I know that "holiday" is derived from "Holy Day." "Season's Greetings" sounds too odd to me, and "Merry Christmas" seems unnatural for me. I'll stick with "Happy Holidays" until the PC nazis come up with something better.

My parents use 'Merry Midwinter' sometimes - they just seem to like the way it sounds :smile:
 

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Have a gay Yule!:biggrin1:

The term is old English/German/Scandanavian, for the coldest and darkest month, and is no more derived from Christianity than Lupercalia is.

"Happy Yuletide!" :beerchug2:

My parents use 'Merry Midwinter' sometimes - they just seem to like the way it sounds :smile:

How pagan of them... or were they druids? :tongue:

~Grabs the mistletoe and hauls out his yule log~
 

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I don't think this question only applies to Agnostics and Atheists imo. You only have to go out and ask kids in school to see that Christmas is not really a religious holiday when you here them answer with things like "going to see Santa" and "getting a Playstation/Xbox/Wii/Bike/etc"

The Romans "changed the date of Jesus' birthday" to coincide with the Pagan winter celebrations. However, before I receive some sort of backlash I'll answer the original question. As a family of basically agnostic/atheists (can't make up our minds) we still celebrate Christmas in the traditional way - putting up a tree, exchanging gifts, sending Christmas cards, getting together and having a big feast on Christmas day. I believe that this is what Christmas was originally intended for - people to get together and for at least one day spend some time with their loved ones and shwo them just how much they mean to each other. The rest is just commercial bollocks, but who doesn't enjoy giving and receiving gifts?

Wow, I didn't even get side-tracked on a rant about organised religion ...
 

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There has never been any religious element to Christmas for me, our entire family has celebrated it as the secular thing it has basically become. I mean, don't get me wrong, the commercialisation of so many aspects of our lives pissed me off no end. It's just a holiday to me, together with Hogmanay its like a week of seeing friends and relatives. It also means no feckin exams!:beerchug2:
 

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I don't celebrate X-mas. I get together with friends for Gregorian New Year, Lunar New Year, SF Orchid Expo/my birthday, Cezar Chavez day, Easter Cocktails, Cinco de Mayo, Pink Saturday, Dore/Hairison/Folsom Fairs, my brother's Memorium, Samhain/Hallow's Eve, and I supress my disgust for christianity while volunteering at the shelter for Turkey-day. Various people's birthdays are thrown in as well. I am presently boycotting all weddings.
 

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For us christmas is a family gathering. We have a tree, decorations, presents but there is no sign of any religious memorabilia. Its about getting together and enjoying a good time and a good meal, just as New Year, National holidays or any other holidays are
 

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I'm conflicted about christmas every year...

Married with 2 kids, my children are only 5, they are expected and pushed into the Christian way of dealing with this time of year, the school take them to church without even letting the parents know, they learn Christian songs, they learn of the birth of Jesus, I fought against this while I was a child, I failed and was still forced into it, and the teachers made my life hell for it, I won't put them through it, I let it ride.

My husband has no religion what so ever, he detests everything to do with any religion, including christmas, if it weren't for the children, he'd have no part in it.

I follow pagan teachings and if it weren't for the children would actively teach and partake in the festivities and rituals of the pagan teachings.

I try to compromise, the children will do as the school wishes while they are at school, when they are home, I will teach them all I can about other faiths. Christmas at home is a more traditional pagan time, there will be food, friends and family, gift giving, but I prohibit anything that clearly states a connection to any faith.

When the children are older and can make their own choices about their faith, I will do what I can to incorporate whatever they choose into our lives, celebrating their special days, helping them learn more and so on. When they move out, I will celebrate things the way I believe they should be, and hubby will do the same.

Until they are old enough to make an informed choice though, I will do everything I can to give them the basic things that are expected by those around them, without compromising my belief that every child has the right to choose for themselves, and that as a mother, it is my responsibility to ensure that their opinions are their own, and that while they are too young to form them, they aren't being pushed out of things to the point of feeling pushed into them.

There is some really beautiful Anglican choral music, even if one doesn't believe the mythology.

It is odd that kids would be taken to church by their school, what sort of school is it?

I used to enjoy going to midnight mass (RC) with my Great Aunt. She paid for me to go to Parochial school, no one ever tried to convert me. Though, of course, mass every morning, and sat through catechism with the other kids, I wasn't required to participate. Later I used to listen to midnight mass at the St. Peters on TV, until I got alienated by the squashing of any progressiveness or inclusiveness of gays by JPII, even actively working politically to obstruct equal rights.
 
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...I didn't include the other major world religions because they have holidays associated with them already. To the best of my knowledge there is no holiday associated with being atheist or agnostic. Hence my curiosity...

I have some athiest friends that seriously celebrate the Winter Solstice...and they don't even live in California!