Atlanta Spa Shootings

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This is a lot for me to unpack.

Around 5 pm Tuesday, March 16, a man goes into three spas in the greater Atlanta area and starts shooting.

Six women, four of whom have been identified, have died. Two men have died as well.

The British Broadcasting Corp says four of the dead have been identified and South Korean officials are assisting on identifying the remaining women of Korean descent.

Here’s the BBC list of the known dead
Ashley Yaun, 33
Paul Andre Michels, 54
Xiaojie Tan, 49
Daoyou Feng, 44
Known injured
Elcias R Hernandez-Ortiz, no age given.

Daily Beast, in a choppy article with three writers and one tired editor, reports the ethnic breakdown of all victims, and how it unfolded this way:

The rampage began at Young’s Asian Massage in Acworth in Cherokee County, where two people were killed, one other person succumbed to their injuries en route to a nearby hospital, and one died while in treatment, according to the sheriff’s office. The victims were two Asian women, a white woman, and a white man, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. A Hispanic man was also injured in the shooting and was rushed to a hospital for medical treatment, a spokesman for the sheriff said.

About an hour later and 30 miles away, two spas on the same Atlanta street—Gold Spa and one in Aroma Therapy Spa—were targeted by gunfire, and four Asian women were killed.

As always, in the days after something like this, people want to know the motive.
The shooter, a 21-year-old white man, is in jail.
His booking photo shows him in a green bullet proof vest.
The man is the son of a youth pastor. Father and son hunted. He has admitted he has a sex addiction and saw the massage parlors as spaces of temptation.

Atlanta shootings: Suspect charged with murder as victims identified
Massage Parlor Massacres Suspect Said He Loved Guns & God


So, we have a young guy with an inability to control urges he hears as sinful, taking a gun and ammo into places where women perform “unlicensed touch”, or massage that isn’t massage therapy (statistically, women in these places don’t have control over their movement and/or the money they earn. It’s sex work and often highly exploitive and holding women so they cannot earn in any other way. Slavery and prostitution.)

We also have a white guy going in and killing women of mainly Asian descent.
While attacks on Asians are rising because people are stupid and scared babies who’d rather kill that wear a mask or get a vaccine because they think Bill Gates/George Soros/pick a boogeyman made into a slur is out to get them.

We don’t know this young man’s motivation. We know he’s talked to investigators about his sex addiction.
I saw a white officer at a press conference trying to solidly move the crime away from race.

Here is a thought, these women were killed because they were women.
The shooter couldn’t control his little buddy, so he applied an American Burqua... elimination of the feminine because men can’t control themselves.

The women in the situation were overwhelmingly Asian (multiple countries are involved, so I’m not saying Korean across the board) because women are trafficked into or pressured into working in these locations. Because average Americans see Asian women in one of three ways: shy and submissive, Dragon Lady or engineer.
Because Americans are woefully short on imagination when it comes to women and people from Asia.


As we add this to the list of horrors perpetuated on people from Asian nations, let’s remember that this particular shooting wasn’t about a pandemic of a virus, but a pandemic of male failure.
 

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The most pathetic thing about these horrendous crimes is that the man cannot admit the humanity of the women. It's not that he needs to seek help, but that they need to die. It's not that they are people, but that his rights are more important than their existence.
 

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I am in no way saying that the greater Asian American community hasn’t taken a loss. I’m saying more of us need to recognize all factors in play and step up to change things.
This same guy would not have gone into a club and shot Asian men.
Let’s start with human trafficking, #respectmassage, and teaching your sons to control their sexuality.
 

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Wow. A Nationalist InCel with God on his side committed mass murder...and was taken in by the police without a scratch.

The attacks are not only unquestionably racist. The second elephant in the room *He's got to be GOP* is the fact that six of 8 victims were women, vulnerable women with no safety net in our society.

He'll be another Q-Anon Kyle. The Trump Cult will blow up his GoFundMe. Gun nuts will point to mental health as the real issue *while supporting cuts to healthcare and outreach.* The MRA crowd will howl about the assault on white men by cancel culture libs and feminazis. The NRA will have a membership run, they are probably putting the finishing touches on a Charlton Heston hologram/AI.

Burgerland sucks.
 
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Wow. A Nationalist InCel with God on his side committed mass murder...and was taken in by the police without a scratch.

The attacks are not only unquestionably racist. The second elephant in the room *He's got to be GOP* is the fact that six of 8 victims were women, vulnerable women with no safety net in our society.

He'll be another Q-Anon Kyle. The Trump Cult will blow up his GoFundMe. Gun nuts will point to mental health as the real issue *while supporting cuts to healthcare and outreach.* The MRA crowd will howl about the assault on white men by cancel culture libs and feminazis. The NRA will have a membership run, they are probably putting the finishing touches on a Charlton Heston hologram/AI.

Burgerland sucks.

You nailed it.
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This is just a horrible event. So many things to unpack as you say. I watched a press conference earlier. Seems the Sheriff tried to downplay the crime; the shooter had a bad day basically.

The Mayor of Atlanta was not having it. She spoke after he did and let's just say she schooled him and everyone else there.

Interesting that the Sheriff trying to downplay the potentially racist motive of the crime has some of his own racism issues. From the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/17/jay-baker-bad-day/

Don't think he's the right guy to look into anything here given his own baggage!
 

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This is just a horrible event. So many things to unpack as you say. I watched a press conference earlier. Seems the Sheriff tried to downplay the crime; the shooter had a bad day basically.

The Mayor of Atlanta was not having it. She spoke after he did and let's just say she schooled him and everyone else there.

Interesting that the Sheriff trying to downplay the potentially racist motive of the crime has some of his own racism issues. From the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/17/jay-baker-bad-day/

Don't think he's the right guy to look into anything here given his own baggage!

The sheriff is a strong conservative as well with a now removed social media profile with images portraying derogatory remarks against Asians regarding the coronavirus. He's an ass.
 

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The attacks are not only unquestionably racist.

Unquestionably?

His actions were about issues with religion, sex, self-control, shame and probably a warped view of women.

If racism is on his list of issues at all, it's 6th in line.

You really think he refrains from this if rub n' tugs were white-run establishments?
 
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So, his "uncontrollable urges" to fetishize Asian women was so "sinful" to him the he had to commit mass murder, cuz that's not "sinful" at all.

He was racist. He was a misogynist.

This is when men need to come forward and call this shit out.. prime time fellas. Not just here. In every day conversations.. On Twitter. With your families. If you see someone defending him or excusing his actions and saying they weren't overwhelmingly obviously racist and misogynistic tell them why they're wrong.

Fetishizing someone based on race is racist. Racism isn't just saying "I hate X people because of their skin color". It has levels, and branches. Often, OFTEN.. two roads on the highway of hatred and bigotry which meet at a crossroads are racism and misogyny. This is a perfect example.

What he did was a hate crime on two different levels. He blames women for his urges, sees them as something he needs to remove so he can live his life. Because *he* deserves to live his life, because in his eyes he's superior (supremacist, perhaps of the white variety?) to the women he murdered.
 

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If anyone wishes to see posts/post: Re: "Asians facing new discrimination, verbal and physical attacks due to covid-19 virus fears" - Please See my "Bizzare Racist Attacks" thread from March 2020:
Bizzare Racist Attacks


Now let’s find all the men who are going to say it wasn’t about gender, cry #notallmen, or otherwise downplay the events and the mindsets behind it.

sargon20 made a post about this incident on Wednesday in the right-wing religious fanatics thread which spoke of Long's apparent motivation for his killing spree:
The fanatical mindset of the religious right


Christian mass shooter Robert Long was tired of ‘temptation’ posed by massage parlors: police
Article Excerpt

"Christian mass shooter Robert Aaron Long, 21, told police he was addicted to pornography and was trying to eliminate “temptation” when he shot up three massage parlors in the Atlanta area, killing eight people who were mostly Asian women Tuesday evening, and was planning to shoot up more parlors in Florida."


Robert Long - A deadly religious extremist who executed sex workers in accordance with the warped dictates of Old Testament male supremacists:
The fear of female sexuality

Genesis 38 illustrates the above double standard at work in the ancient world. The married male, Judah, has concubines, widows, male and female prostitutes and slaves to lawfully have sex with. In contrast the widow Tamar, who did as she pleased sexually, suffered the accusation of playing the whore, bearing a child of whoredom, and the looming penalty of being burnt alive once she became visibly pregnant.



 
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There's also a particular member who deleted her account her not too long ago.

If you're reading this, want you to know I've been thinking of you since you left.

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Absolutely!
And they were talking about all of this craziness
 
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@Tight_N_Juicy mentioned what is racism.
positive stereotypes are also stereotypes, Black men are always larger, Asians are all good at math, Jews are good with money.
Any blanket assumption is racist.

Latina women are more fertile and have a hoard of offspring.. another racist And sexist one.

Fuck stereotypes, fuck racism, fuck people who excuse or dismiss it.