Attracted to Effeminate Guys

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I know that Marsha P. Johnson A Black Transgender Woman And Sylvia Rivera A Latinx Being Who had Her Own Very Complex Gender Identity started the Stonewall Riots And It Was The Butch Lesbians, The Drag Queens, The Gender Nonconformists, The “Socially unacceptable” and The Beings Of Color In The Community And The Outsiders Of the Community within the community started the Community Liberation movement with Blood and everything for the and saying all of this “masc for masc” crap is a huge slap in the face to the beings who Were neatened and arrested and murdered who fought for the community to be accepted

Sylvia Rivera Combatted What You are saying She Did not like how the more “socially acceptable middle class” gay community taking over her work and ignoring her and only promoting acceptance for themselves while leaving Her and the Other Trans, Gender nonconforming, poor, not white, unconventional members in the dust I will post a video of the exact speech She made that includes that rhetoric

Transgender, lesbians and gender non conformists are totally different from camp and flamboyant gay men. If anything a lot of the misogyny and transphobia in queer culture stems from camp gay men's behaviour and attitudes.

It's the camp and flamboyant gay men who are the worse at cultural appropriation and co-opt political movements for their own self interest.

 

[1241586]

I'll also add that camp and flamboyant are middle class pursuits.

 

[Peacemusic]

Transgender, lesbians and gender non conformists are totally different from camp and flamboyant gay men. If anything a lot of the misogyny and transphobia in queer culture stems from camp gay men's behaviour and attitudes.

It's the camp and flamboyant gay men who are the worse at cultural appropriation and co-opt political movements for their own self interest.

It was the white gay middle class men who took the movement away from the Trans community and excluded them, when I said Feminine beings were the forefront of the liberation I should have said everyone who was different in the community there is a huge difference between, Lesbian, And Transgender, And Gender non Confirming Beings, but I should have rethought and reworded my post but I thought I could include the femme guys in the socially unnaceotable group or outsiders of the community and Transgender Women can be Feminind I guess what I am saying the inner discrimination intersects with the hatred for anything that is different, Yes gay men can be VERY!!!! Misogynistic, especially some drag queens can be transphobic I got discriminated by a drag queen and I’m a Transgender Woman, I realize that my responses may come off as trying to set my own narrative and I realize that, but I’m trying to say that the discrimination can stem from anyone that differed from the social norm of heteronormative society so the white upper class gay men discriminate anyone and exclude the beings that fought for them that might give them a so called “outsider socially unnacceptable status” that the heterosexual community might not accept and it all is internalized misogyny, transphobia, internalized self hate, You Are True Some campy gay men can say Extremely hateful things and be very misogynistic which is completely wrong some gay men are really transphobic and misogynistic, and that adds to the discrimination To Transgender Beings And Other Members Of The Community,

 

[Peacemusic]

It was the white gay middle class men who took the movement away from the Trans community and excluded them, when I said Feminine beings were the forefront of the liberation I should have said everyone who was different in the community there is a huge difference between, Lesbian, And Transgender, And Gender non Confirming Beings, but I should have rethought and reworded my post but I thought I could include the femme guys in the socially unnaceotable group or outsiders of the community and Transgender Women can be Feminind I guess what I am saying the inner discrimination intersects with the hatred for anything that is different, Yes gay men can be VERY!!!! Misogynistic, especially some drag queens can be transphobic I got discriminated by a drag queen and I’m a Transgender Woman, I realize that my responses may come off as trying to set my own narrative and I realize that, but I’m trying to say that the discrimination can stem from anyone that differed from the social norm of heteronormative society so the white upper class gay men discriminate anyone and exclude the beings that fought for them that might give them a so called “outsider socially unnacceptable status” that the heterosexual community might not accept and it all is internalized misogyny, transphobia, internalized self hate, You Are True Some campy gay men can say Extremely hateful things and be very misogynistic which is completely wrong some gay men are really transphobic and misogynistic, and that adds to the discrimination To Transgender Beings And Other Members Of The Community,

Transgender, lesbians and gender non conformists are totally different from camp and flamboyant gay men. If anything a lot of the misogyny and transphobia in queer culture stems from camp gay men's behaviour and attitudes.

Yes an example of a camp gay man being horrible transphobic and very misogynistic and overall a horrible being is milo yiannopolus Who is the exact definition of the upper class hateful white gay guy, I can agree on that but

non campy gay men can be just as misogynistic why the masc for masc guys are misogynistic, even more so, because they demonize the femme non white members of the community which doesn’t help femme shaming doesn’t help. There is a transphobia misogyny problem that some gay guys have not all but it really is damaging really any gay guy can be misogynistic regardless of their mannerisms or who they are , Really I guess i was coming from this from a standpoint of camp as an Art Like camp films and others which have their flaws but I acknowledge that but I think camp teaches life lessons it has for me, when I watch campy films
It's the camp and flamboyant gay men who are the worse at cultural appropriation and co-opt political movements for their own self interest.

 

[Peacemusic]

Whoops I added my own comments into your original post making that incoherent

 

[Peacemusic]

 

[Peacemusic]

I'm vers and have two sexual ideal types...

1. If I'm topping - effeminate, young, petite, girly, very slim, smooth, twinky bottoms. No interest at all in how hung they are.

2. If I'm bottoming then it's the opposite to above. Masc, tall, muscle alpha tops. Big dicks.

Dating wise, I'm a lot more open minded because other things come into play and I accept that I am a mix of the above so should expect it in others also. But seeing a very femme boy with a masculine alpha is the HOTTEST thing in the world to me. If I see it in the street or a bar I just get really turned on.

In the big UK cities I'm noticing guys be more open about actively seeking fem. It's often bi men or men that are looking for trans but say in their profile "or femme". I sort of get why if you're into trans you'd also like femme boys.

Since the beginning of time gay men have idolised femininity in men. Look at the Greeks. I think it's always been there, it's just might not have been socially acceptable. I feel like a lot of the gay rights movement focused on pushing a concept of "normal" gay men because that was the least offensive to straight people. Hopefully that is changing.

Yes and also excluding Transgender Beings, to push a “normal” stance which is wrong

 

[Peacemusic]

I just think that everyone is different if you are mascualine or feminine regardless of gender is is natural to you and you cannot help it. There will always be people who hate you and love you and everywhere in between for what and who you are, easiest thing is to accept that and move on.

I also disagree with the assumption that gay men are exclusively into “masc only” no this no that no the other, for every one of them there is an opposite guy. Have you every thought OP that the guys in these dating sites that are that picky and close minded are so insecure and find it so hard to find a partner that that’s why they are so prevalent on these sites? @jjsjr

I Like Your Response

 

[Peacemusic]

The thread made me think a bit. As Thoreau said, "The examined life is no picnic." Your observations about gay men in general fit me pretty well when I was young and finding my was sexually in the gay community at that time. I am masculine, fit and active and was attracted to icon masculine guys - big guys, strong guys, guys who were a little to a lot rough. More feminine guys made me cringe. I did not find them attractive, was offended when they hit on me and did not want to be seen with them. I was a total shit on most every level.

Early on I got lucky. I met a guy in a bath house (during the early 70's) who was very fem and made a pass n my direction. When I rejected him he got really angry and stood up for himself, aggressively and laid me out verbally about how people like me were as bad as oppressive straights in causing problems for gay people. The reactions that he was getting from people like me were reflecting internal self hate and bigotry that in our minds justified a lot of the oppression that gay people faced. He went on for a while. It made me think, and I apologized to him. It also made me seem him as powerful in a way I had not imagined - and it was turning me on. We did not hook up that night - but we did hook up later (same bath house, different day lol). We had a great time and were steady fuck buddies for a few years. More importantly it made me more open to others, regardless of their level of butch-ness, and to a degree their level of fitness.

I guess you could say I evolved, and it should not have taken an angry confrontation to make me evolve, but in the community then, and still today coming to terms with gay sexuality is often a do it yourself affair. You sometime blunder along and get locked into bad beliefs and biases. Not every one is a good fit for every one else, but being open to seeing the whole person that foes with the fem façade or the butch flannels (I can't believe I ever wore that) makes for a better, more rounded life. Sometimes we need to be challenged a bit to see the great possibilities in front of us.

That is a powerful learning expierience

 

[Peacemusic]

I notice men who are attracted to feminine men prefer feminine men that are small and petite which is interesting because women come in all shapes and sizes, thus femininity among gay men shouldn’t only be confined to those that are small and petite.

Very True that goes into the sizing discrimination in the community

 

[Peacemusic]

The Best And Empowering Response To Hate That Helped me Through Times,

 

[Peacemusic]

Even though this film was made in the 1970’s this scene I think gives a perfect comeback to the “masc” vs “fem” thing I Love That “A Queen Without A Sense Of Humor” Yes this Film has problems but this scene really illustrates the self hate and heteronormativity that some “masc” guys carry around

 

[Peacemusic]

The Best And Empowering Response To Hate That Helped me Through Times,

Extremely Powerful And Time Changing And Honestly The Truth And So Empowering Especially For The Community Members Of Color, Trans, Feminine, I Think Lindy Is Truly Inspirational

 

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I just noticed this subject.

I think - personally - I ride the line between masc and fem. I’m average looking. 5’7”. I’m not fit, but I’m not fat by any means. But I don’t know exactly where I stand. I do like a lot of different guys. I personally tend to go for men on more of the masculine side, but no guy really wants to date me because I’m not the super fit, hairless, model that every gay guy on Grindr tends to go for. I had to delete my Grindr because of the toxic masculine men who told me I needed to kill myself because I’m not who they want me to be. It’s awful that there’s still a lot of homophobia in the LGBTQ+ community. Anyways, I do think I’m a little more fem some days and masc the other days. I am a drag queen, but I think outside of Drag I’m just a regular guy. I think it’d be refreshing for once that a masc guy would want a normal guy… or at least want to help a normal guy like me into getting a better body so he can feel better about himself.

 

[HorseHung40's]

If you are attracted to effeminate men, so be it. That is the way that you are "wired" sexually - just are you are attracted to men and not to women.

You don't need to justify yourself to anyone.

I hope that you find your ideal mate.

 

[Gizzard]

Hi everyone,

My first post.

I noticed that there’s also an “attracted to masculine guys” thread. But that one is full of vile comments directed at the OP and this one isn’t.

It’s unfortunate that people can’t state their preferences without facing backlash.

 

[englad]

Hi everyone,

My first post.

I noticed that there’s also an “attracted to masculine guys” thread. But that one is full of vile comments directed at the OP and this one isn’t.

It’s unfortunate that people can’t state their preferences without facing backlash.

Probably because the OP in that thread said that he's repulsed by feminine guys in the first post. Then went off on some fairly blatant stereotyping. If you compare the opening posts in this thread and the one you mentioned, you'll see they have completely different tenors. There's nothing wrong with stating what you like but there's no need to be derogatory against others at the same time. If you are derogatory from the get go, other people will have a go at that part.

 

[japetty]

Hi everyone,

My first post.

I noticed that there’s also an “attracted to masculine guys” thread. But that one is full of vile comments directed at the OP and this one isn’t.

It’s unfortunate that people can’t state their preferences without facing backlash.

There are a few in this world who like to dictate how they think you should live your life. They seem to think they know what is better for you. Everyone is welcome to state what they want as long as it fits within the rules which is mostly about 18 years old or older and no fucking family members except for your wife. One just ignores the comments from those who like to dictate what others do in their lives.

 

[Gizzard]

Probably because the OP in that thread said that he's repulsed by feminine guys in the first post. Then went off on some fairly blatant stereotyping. If you compare the opening posts in this thread and the one you mentioned, you'll see they have completely different tenors. There's nothing wrong with stating what you like but there's no need to be derogatory against others at the same time. If you are derogatory from the get go, other people will have a go at that part.

I guess so.

But I also saw heaps of disgusting, homophobic comments from the other people too.

 

[902369]

I guess so.

But I also saw heaps of disgusting, homophobic comments from the other people too.

Ironically you’ve been banned. Duplicate account?