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I've experienced all of this before. I have a 100% straight friend who I love 100% and would jump at the chance to go to bed with him. He's also aware. We're great together and we have lots of laughs. After we've been together for a few weeks, the tortured feelings return and I just want to get away from him. His first wedding was really hard on me. The only time we hang out together is when he doesn't have a girlfriend. During those periods it's an almost daily get together. He's on marriage #3 - yes, I've suffered through all 3 weddings -- and this one is looking permanent. They now have two young kids and things seem to be working out well for them. I, too, once tried the get drunk and make a move thing. It didn't work. We get together 2 or 3 times a year and that's enough to remain friends, but I don't get hung up on him. I've fallen hard for other straight guys as well and it never leads anywhere. One of the worst was a Catholic boy who was an only child. Although we messed around, he couldn't let himself go down that path because he thought it was up to him to give his parents grandkids. He joined the army and I never saw him again. Now, I just don't let it happen. In the end you'll be happier and free to meet someone who can love you as much as you love him.
 

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It's been a month and a half since I've seen J. We've had a few brief conversations over IM but nothing at length. He's been taking a Linux course and working twice as many shifts at work.

Today is my birthday and I had a party at my friends' house (same as last time J was with me) last night which he couldn't come out to. However, he did try to message and call me, except I was too drunk to talk at the time. We have planned to go out tonight for my birthday, just him and I, for some bar hopping and dancing in uptown Dallas.
 
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I'm in the same boat as the OP. On the one hand it's great to have a friend you get along so well with, and it's easy and fun and never gets old. OTOH it's a PIA because you never know if he will ever be into you for dating. Part of me wants to keep what we have, because when we're together it's amazing the chemistry we have; the other part of me want to say screw it, he's messing with my feelings by being so affectionate yet not wanting to go further, and it's preventing me from moving on and finding someone to have a relationship with. Same deal, he usually dates women but is not opposed to dating men... just being wishy washy. And yes, I have told him how I feel and have said point blank that I would date him if he would go out with me.
 

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I have a co-worker- some of you have probably been in the same situation.

I know many gay guys live (in some ways) in a fantasy world when it comes to other guys, but there's this one I really feel in my gut who wants me as much as I do him. Anyone ever get that feeling? He wants to let you know so bad but is scared as hell, just like you, and won't? It's like you can see it clearly behind his eyes that are trying to hide it. I guess the best word is chemistry. With chemistry it's like you don't have to say a word or even try, it just comes out loud and clear.
 

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Wow, it's already about 1/4th a year through 2015. I actually didn't even think of this thread until just today, and figured I'd give an update after the transitions J and I have dealt with and will soon.

I don't remember much of anything from October nor November with J (aside from finally starting my dream career job! Woohoo!), except one night J texted me asking if I wanted to have dinner. I told him "Sure!" and he then asked if I had been to a particular burger joint, which I hadn't, so I agreed to drive out and pick him up right away (as it was already about 8:00pm on a weekday).

While I'm driving out to get him, he sends me extra messages letting me know his Taiwanese girlfriend was with him, and that I'd get to meet her. I felt a bit unsettled at this but figured I'll deal with it, but the whole concept of long distance stranger dating still weirded me out.

[His online Taiwanese girlfriend flew in to the US to visit him for a week for the first time. They had been talking daily for 6 months, over texting, IM, and Skype video chats, so they weren't total strangers, but they had never met in person until that week. I didn't know she was in town and J didn't tell me until that night, but it was a few weeks before Thanksgiving when this happened]

As I continued driving and processing the fact I was helping J take his international girlfriend on a date, he added that they were at her hotel and that I needed to pick them up (15min from the burger place), and my place is already 40min away. I got pissed off at that point. I felt like he was using me to make the best of the time his girlfriend is here and got mad, then I came to a quick conclusion that I was jealous of her, and would be of every girl J dates. Consumed in a hurricane of emotions that rapidly built up in me, I did a U-turn and headed back home while merely sending a response text to J stating that I was pissed off for being used without prior knowledge before leaving. It was later in the evening and too much driving for me to do on a whim on a work night- at least that was my excuse at the time.

It's very rare for me to be angry for any reason at all, and even then my anger dissipates within an hour or less. However, for whatever reason this situation stuck with me. I wasn't angry at J; I was angry at myself. I didn't know how to act around J, and suddenly decided I wanted to keep away from him as much as possible. So I blocked him in every form of communication we've ever used (social media, phone/text, other services with IM, etc). Yes, this was a very selfish and childish thing to do. Probably the most childish thing I've ever done to any friend before. I did it out out of emotion and not reasoning, which is the opposite of what I do normally.


The following weekend I was hosting another Game Night at my apartment, but since I blocked J he wasn't invited, and he found out I was hosting that night from a mutual friend that came over. I found out J wanted to come over, but after my passive aggressive actions he was trying to apologize for 'whatever he did' and that he was sorry, but he didn't want to come over and piss me off. I didn't respond to him at all that night.

A day later I sent a long text message to J stating that I needed a significant amount time without him in my life to sort out my emotions and the reasons I stated prior. He didn't respond until 5 days later (right after Thanksgiving), stating that he's thankful for me and he'll be there for me when I'm ready to come back into his life. That was the end of 2014 for us.

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A few weeks into January, I got a text from J asking when we can be in each other's lives again. It hadn't even been two months, but I knew he really missed me, and I replied back stating I wasn't sure. Then I sent a lengthy apology for my behavior and stated that I wonder how he puts up with me sometimes.

J responded by starting with "Our friendship is more resilient than you think" and essentially put his feet in my shoes. We then talked a bit and got caught up on each other's lives, and on a Friday almost immediately after, J came over for a typical hangout. He actually stayed over the whole weekend, and we had a blast. Our hiatus ended like there never was one, and has been back on par since.

However, it seems that any time we draw apart, we come back even closer. Literally, this time. A month ago J came over one night to hang out as we usually do, and our mutual friend (I will call him D) that I met through J also come over to hang out with us. J and D have been looking out for an apartment to get together for at least 4-5 months now, and when D found out all the apartments in my complex have a garage in a conversation on my patio, he asked J if he'd want to move here. J immediately said "Sure." This bewildered both D and I, so D asked him 5 more times. J responded with a "Yes" without hesistation. I find it weird that J decided on MY apartment complex, an additional 30 min route to his 1hr work trip that he takes with biking + public transit, in less than 5 minutes after all the months they spent looking around.

They signed the lease a few weeks ago, passed the background check (which is lucky for J, after the incident last year. See post #60 if you want to find out what happened), and finalized utilities last week. They're moving in 3 weeks from now, and J will pretty much be in my daily life as a neighbor (though I'm not sure if near me or on the other side of the complex, but it won't really matter).

To top it off, since we've been spending time again this year after our (my?) hiatus, we've planned a camping trip in central Texas this spring. I got my bike fixed up and with new tires, got a dual bike mount for my car so we can haul our bikes out there, and J has been acquiring portal camping and transport gear that he can take on his bike. He's taken his biking and no car situation very seriously, to the point where he bikes 15-40 miles every single day and intends to have enough gear to bike and live anywhere in the wild.
 

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I'm surprised there's still people reading this thread. I can't say there's much to update for.

I've seen J once in the past two months, despite living in the same apartment complex now. He's got a 1-2 hour commute to/from work each way using public transit and his bike, and works 12 hour shifts on weekends now whereas weekends are the only time I have off. I've been working 60-70 hour weeks for over a month at my job for a project I'm deeply focused on at my job, so I spend my nights working as well.

The weekend J moved into his apartment in my complex was the weekend his international girlfriend came in town, so I got to meet her. She spent 95% of the time either cooking, cleaning, or reading articles on her phone in Traditional Chinese. She rarely ever spoke. The 3 of us went out to a shopping strip in a nice area; several times J and I just left her to do shopping in women's places that had purses, etc. She bought a few things, J and I mostly wondered around looking for a place to adjust his watch that she bought him for his birthday.

Later that week he gave me his old G-Shock watch that he had been wearing for 5 years saying that he didn't want it 'to go to waste and not be worn'. I've been wearing it almost daily since then, but only out of a forced habit by him. Another week passed by, J tells me he broke up with her and is looking into long-distance dating another girl in yet another country. He explains he's talked with the newer girl in the past but never developed anything, but now the passion is back as the previous Taiwanese girl that flew over here twice for him didn't 'spark' his interests like he wanted. He also added that this 'new' girl in Indonesia is Muslim and her father refused to let a guy marry her because he didn't want to convert to Muslim beliefs. J said that he never really had a religious affiliation yet "how hard could it be? I don't care about pork." This shocked and irritated me since he viewed a systematic way of living so lightly like it wouldn't be a big deal. I felt irritated that night at his apartment, and ended up leaving early.

A month passes, and after finally hanging out with J again he tells me the Indonesian girl didn't invest interest in him that much, so he 'broke up' with her, and had kept talking with the first Taiwanese girl. *After* buying a ticket to Indonesia for a December flight, that he had to cancel and lose several hundred dollars on.. to change his flight to an even more expensive flight to Taiwan. Seems now he's going to visit the first international girl this time. I.. guess.. that's a good thing? By this point I had realized J wasn't even trying to date anyone local at all, and was just chasing after girls in other countries over the internet. To this day I still don't understand that at all.

In total, due to his new work schedule and living so far away from his job, and myself working overtime regularly, we've hung out maybe 5-6 times since his birthday. When I started working >60 hours a week J would ask last-minute if I wanted to do something or have dinner on a Friday after I had already made plans with other friends days beforehand, so I had to keep telling him no. He messaged me asking "Are we having a fight? I miss you :(" to which I replied with full honesty.

At the same time though, my feelings for J have been fading and I've tried to date here and there when I can, but of course that just has never worked out at all. Guys my age are too sporadic and sex-hungry to commit to anything serious, or too effeminate for me to be attracted to at all. Older guys tend to want to date me, but have almost nothing in common and are far too old for me (50+ years old while I'm just barely about to turn 27.)

When I'm around J anymore, I just feel like he's a child bouncing around not knowing what he's doing with his life and making crazy choices that make no sense to me. Any feelings I have for him just make me depressed in the end, so I subconsciously try to stay away from him now. We don't really even talk much anymore - once every week or two at most. Life is pulling us apart, and I think it may be for the best.. at least for me. At the same time, J seems to 'need' me in his life, whereas to me he's a poison in my heart. I get the gut feeling that our friendship is probably going to split apart before this year ends. Part of me is sad about that, yet a larger part of me wants that to happen for the long-term.
 
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J and I went through another hiatus or two since my last post. He decided to move to Hong Kong to live with his international girlfriend and that put me in a sour mood for a few months. Up until recently I did not not that J had to postpone this venture with his girlfriend having a job relocation to Australia. Again, my busy life and J's conflicting schedule kept us apart most weeks, so we hardly have hung out in the past 7 months. However, tonight.. was interesting..

I had a particularly difficult day at work today. The projects I had worked on have been canceled or about to be canceled, and the direction I'm being forced into at work is far, far from comfortable. In fact I'm about to fire off resumes to other companies and put in my notice. Tonight I decided to buy a big bottle of rum and 'drink myself to death', but let J know about it. He decided to come over after work (after getting off at 9) and join me to help me work through my dilemma.

This is where things got more involved than ever before, which I never thought would happen.

In the past the most we had done is talk through our emotional feelings about each other and the topic of me being gay, and my feelings for J. At one point (mentioned in a previously past in the past) he held hands with me. That's the most intimate we had been until tonight. Well, tonight we got very drunk and talked about my feelings about work, about life, about being a gay masculine man. It wasn't easy, and my eyes got a bit watery, but J also talked about how he loves me and really wants me to be happy. That's when we started holding hands again, but this time he actually put my hand on his crotch and wanted me to feel him up. I did. I felt him up for at least 10-15min while we talked about our feelings, and he apologized for 'not being able to perform' because he's really into asian women. It was during this that he also pulled up some asian porno on my computer in the living room. We also talked about the importance of intimacy and how well a partner can kiss and how that's more important than sex. We talked a bunch about sexual adventures and importance of partners' intimacy as well. Not something we got into discussion until tonight.

During this discussion I asked if he was ever curious about kissing ME. He seemed hard-pressed to answer and diverted the question, but I felt that it had definitely crossed his mind and he didn't know how to feel about it. This was while I was still massaging his dick through his jeans. Eventually we went to have a smoke and moved on from the sexual involvement, but it still.. happened. That was certainly a development in our relationship. His birthday is just over a week away and he wants to get out and do something together, which I'm all for. Then we watched the entirety of a gay documentary (
if you want to see what we watched) while holding hands. Halfway through I changed hands, as he was to my left and we were holding closest hands, but I eventually put my left arm around him and clasped hands with his right hand and my right hand. Earlier while I gently fondled him he mentioned that he's totally comfortable with me and if I didn't do something he was okay with that he'd immediately let me know. When I had fondled him I tried to see if I could sneak my hand INTO his pants, but he pushed my hand back to the outside of his jeans and let me keep fondling him. He's starting to open up to me more physically it seems, at least when we're drunk, and we opened up more about our feelings, love, and sensuality with each other. I never thought we'd get to this point after several years.

Around 3:30am (it's about 3:50am at the time of this post) we both realized how late it was. We really hadn't hugged at all in the past few months, but we had a very long strong hug (probably around 25-40 seconds) and I drunkenly kissed his neck a couple of times while hugging, with no retaliation or mention. I wonder where this may continue to lead, especially considering he literally -wanted- me to fondle his cock through his jeans and apologized for not getting hard for me. That act alone blew my mind more than anything we've done together as best friends. I truly love him and stated that several times tonight, and he fully appreciates and pities it at the same time. I don't know how things will go from this point but I seriously hope this continues to evolve more. J means the absolutely world to me more than any other human being I've ever known, and I made that clear tonight. He loves me too. I just don't know how much yet. Time will tell..
 

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OMG, I am so invested in this situation. Pretty sure the majority of the gay-leaning members of this site have been in very similar situations...or currently are *points to self*.

I really respect the fact that you are respectful of him and yourself; asking for space to deal with your emotions when things get too heavy. That's the thing that some of us forget to do because we get so engrossed with trying to make them love us or trying to analyze every gesture or word they make.

We can deal with relationships like this organically and if they develop into more serious situations, then, yay!..but if it's getting to be too much, we need to back off before we do something regrettable.
 

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Thanks, I appreciate the feedback yngjock20.

A few hours ago we started chatting through a different IM medium and to entertain him I signed up for it, so far I like it. We were chatting for an hour or two and I decided to bring up what happened the other night just to ask what invoked him to do it.

I started with "so, I want to bring up an awkward topic from the other night that kinda confused and freaked me out a little. I imagine it was a lot because of the booze, but why did you grab my hand and have me grope you the other night? it's just been on my mind"

J said "Was booze. And I was relaxed"

As he responded with that, I was typing up and sent "and not something I'd imagine crossing the line with on my own because I don't want to compromise anything between us, and that still stands. I just wanted to bring that to light when we're sober"

J responded saying "No way man, we're totally good :)" where I finally added "it was nice just extremely unexpected and wasn't sure where that came from, that's all" with a final reply from J "I gotcha" then we moved onto other topics.

I'm really glad that J and I have stuck together and can openly bring up something like this without making it awkward. I feel like after the other night, I'm less fearful of openly discussing what's on my mind, getting feedback from J, and moving on rather than letting something like that boil in my mind and drive me crazy.

Over the weekend we hung out at his place all weekend and had random conversations about relationships after he spent several hours talking with some penpal female friend of his in Mexico that was going to kill herself. (She's in a crazy situation, but not asking for money or anything, just a shoulder to cry on.) We discussed that and how relationships tend to fight mainly because of miscommunication, something J and I have been getting better at as friends. He also lamented about how long distance relationships very rarely work out and seemed to be drawing that from his own Taiwanese girlfriend, but I didn't want to dig into that.

Again, not sure what depth J and I well get into with our inter-personal relationship, but since day one I vowed to never betray his trust nor body regardless of whatever mountain of feelings I have for him, and because we're able to talk about our relationship more, he fully understands, respects, and loves me to the extent that he knows how.
 

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In the past 4 weeks I've been unemployed after getting let go from my job (along with several others.. company is probably about to fold.) During my off time I've spent nearly every weekend and week night at J's apartment playing games, watching shows, smoking together, and just overall being together all the time. It reminds me of when we first met and spent nearly every day hanging out. At night he sets mood lighting to a dark red with these special Hue LED lights, which seems a bit sensual, and he mainly seems to do it when I'm around. Anyhow..

Last night I went to a bar for a group meetup and had a few to drink, made a few new friends and went with them to a hookah bar. Had a great time until around midnight when we parted ways, and during all of that J had gone to a concert so we had separate plans. I had texted him earlier to make sure he made it home okay but never got a response. As I drove home I gave him a call to see if he made it hoke yet and he picked up, said he was with his friend at the dance club we have frequented in the past. I decided to meet him there since it wasn't quite 2am close time yet.

When I arrive J is chatting up two girls outside and spends the rest of the night chatting up this older woman, dancing with her, and was even kissing on her neck. Also the music wasn't the same type we like, so I was having a bad time watching him drunkenly semi-cheat on his taiwanese girlfriend, and at closing time he decided to call an uber for him and this girl.. so they could go fuck somewhere. At that point I was a bit more than pissed off at his actions so I left with our friend that brought him there and went to get J's backpack from our friend's car so I could give it to J later. We talked for a few minutes and I get a call from J, he canceled the uber and was trying to find us as the girl said no. He then felt really bad and 'evil' about what he was about to do. I drove J home and was fairly quiet the whole time while he drunkenly ranted about how evil he is, how he's a sucker for titties, and that women are bad for him. He also remarked about how he doesn't know why he's into women.

Changing the topics a bit finally got me out of my peeved mood and we stopped by Whataburger for food, J's treat. I ate my meal but he didn't, he kept talking about how bad he is, how titties are his thing, then started talking about his childhood how other kids thought he was gay, topics about gay perceptions, and how the other day his dad seemed a bit hostile to an effeminate salesman because of their voice tone as if they were intentionally talking that way.

We then got into talks about morals in life like the death penalty and cultural differences, what we like in a partner and that attraction comes with someon having passionate interests of SOMETHING, not just work/money/materialism. What came of that is J kind if realized that his girlfriend in taiwan lacks passions like that and he doesn't think he'd consider dating her now if he hadn't already been doing so for the past year or two. It seems like he's been on the fence even more about his dating preferences and perceptions of gay life.

Eventually around 3am we laid spawled out on the couch like we do sometimes, feet on the coffee table and laid back low listening to dance/disco classics over internet radio. My neck was hurting and I got suddenly tired, so I balled up the blanket that was between us and laid my head on it. I thought J had fallen asleep, and he ended up curling up his body close to me, so close that his face was right above my head and I could feel his breathes on my ear. Then we slep, I woke up by myself. We're still bonding more, slowly getting more close, but still have a barrier between us.
 
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Totally intrigued by this, it's so sweet yet tense and, if I'm honest, there's a slight sense of foreboding as if it were too good to be true or too hot not to cool down.
 

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Yeah, we have a very special bond that rarely happens between friends. I also forgot to mention that last night before he got in my car he had to pee, so he peed on the sidewalk right outside of my car as I was getting in, but could see his dick for the first time in the passenger side mirror fairly well, sans lighting since it was 2am. He's uncut!
 

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So yesterday and today I got fed up with J bringing up Taiwan so much and feeling such emotional discord that we are on another 'break', mutually agreed upon. J said he'll tone down mentioning Taiwan so much, but yet again fully understands what I'm going through and that I need to focus on me again, without him in my every day life for a while. It never ceases to amaze me how understanding he is. "We can take some time apart and let moods settle. There's nothing wrong with that. You can focus on you :)" is what he told me.

He is seriously the best most lovable man I've ever met. I told him I wish he didn't have to put up with my bullshit, but what I get in response is "Ain't no thang, brohamster ;) I know you'd do the same for me. We'll be alright :)"

Yeah, I'm his brohamster and he's my brohammer.