Attraction to tall men...

[Enid]

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, but I quoted the important parts. Why is it important to grab a man's attention? Why do women feel the need to bend to the will of men in terms of their looks? There are obviously a variety of answers to these questions such as you said, "We, as women, obviously have a natural animal instinct within us to want to reproduce. In order to do that, we need a male. In order to attract a male we need to find what actually does attract them."

I am reminded of Ways of Seeing by Berger, a book which is primarily about art & the way people view it. But Berger makes some very interesting statements on the roles women and men play in art and in society.

An excerpt from an essay about the book:

The woman is usually posed in a way to please the viewer, her gaze is meant to entice the viewer, and this notion is the same in modern day advertisements and photographs. Berger comments that a woman unconsciously acts in a way knowing she is being viewed. Women are constantly being surveyed, not only by men but by other women, and by themselves. The notion of being viewed is made obvious in the nude paintings. Naked and nude are two separate ideas, the author points out. Naked is being by yourself and naked, without being viewed as an object. Nude is being viewed as an object of sexuality or pleasure. The nude paintings were specifically for men to view as pleasure images. Men could look at this beautiful nude and gain reassurance of their manhood. In return the female gets nothing, this painting seems as if it is about her, but it is not. In fact the artist typically does everything in his power to remove any power she may have, even sexually by removing all body hair. The painting is all about the owner/viewer, the man.

 

[B_Marcus50]

Women refuse all kinds of guys. Get over it.

But mostly and primarily short men.

And I know enough about you to characterize you perfectly in my last post.

You THINK you know me. Big difference.

The fact that you have quit dating due to your being short speaks volumes.

And what does it say?

I'd be willing to bet that you'd find something to be insecure about even if you were 6'4". Insecure, bitter guys are not sexy to anyone.

You would become bitter too if you were as short as me and if women treated you the same way the treat me. You have no idea on all the bullshit us short guys has to put up with.

 

[B_Marcus50]

I never said I posted something on men being more shallow than women. I posted my thoughts on the original topic already. I didn't ridicule you, I laughed at something you said because I thought it was humorous. If you can't laugh at yourself, and want to cry over it, that's not my problem. It doesn't make me immature or lame. Infact, it makes me quite light hearted, I think. Don't take yourself so seriously, man. Chill out. It's a fucking forum.

Whatever. You still deserve the comment I gave you.

Also...
Yes, I do think women are less critical when it comes to men. I think that both men AND women are more critical of women because of the media. It's all around us: perfection. perfection. be perfect. fake tits. retouched bodies. perfect skin, etc etc... I could go on and on. the modeling industry alone is a perfect example.

This is 2009 - not 1990. I can't believe that you refuse to admit that there isn't any pressure on men to look good and be perfect. There might be a bit more pressure on women from the media, but women put so much more pressure on men than vice versa. We’re expected to be tall, muscular, well-endowed, rich, caring etc. I’ve asked so many women about this and they all confirm it. And if you go to different forums for women you’ll see the same. They’re so shallow and expect so much from men. You have no idea on the pressure that is on men to be attractive.
Women dump guys for the most stupid and shallow reasons – his chest hair pattern is weird, he has too much hair on his legs, his eyes are green, his hands are small, his belt doesn’t match his shoes, he’s one inch shorter than me, his cock is only 6 inches, he likes football/basketball/baseball or any other sport etc. You get the point.
The pressure on women comes primarily from THEMSELVES. Not men. There are several studies on this and recently I read an Australian study that also confirmed it. That study also showed that men found “normal” women more attractive than supermodels, underwear models and pornstars.
Because women have the vagina, they have the power. Even the ugliest and fattest woman can go out and find at least 5 guys in a club that are willing to either date her or have a one-night-stand with her. Therefore she can afford to be picky, shallow and critical. It doesn’t matter if she refuses 50 guys because there is already 50 other guys in line waiting to date her.
If a man is short and/or ugly he pretty much has to accept what he can get, if he wants a relationship and/or sex. Male beggars can’t be choosers, but female beggars sure can.
And you should read SpiceFromIndia’s post on page 16.

I didn't realize I had to actually say all of that to make it clear that I felt differently on the subject than you did.

This is a fucking forum (like you said). What did you expect? Maybe you should quit the forums and write a blog instead, if you don't want/expect people to respond and if you don't wanna explain/elaborate on your posts.

 

[B_Marcus50]

I'm saying you'd probably have a better chance at a LOT of women if you changed your attitude on it.

I don’t think so. Back when I wasn’t negative/bitter and had a positive view on women the same things happened. Personality doesn’t mean shit if you’re short and/or ugly. Women will still not approach you and they will tell you to fuck off if you approach them.
Approaching women, if you’re a short guy, is such a waste of time. You’ll get rejected every single time. I kinda admire those short guys that still approach women but at the same time I think they’re naive and that they’re only ruining their self-esteem.

Do you have any short male friends? Maybe you should ask them.

I'm heavier. Most men desire thinner women. When I'm out with my girlfriends, they look at them first, because most of them are thinner.

However, when I feel sexy and confident, and don't worry about who looks what way...I get just as much attention as any one else.

Because you’re a woman. No matter what you look like you will get attention. Men have a so much broader taste in women than vice versa.

Sometimes, it really is all about the way you feel, because if you're in a good mood and feel confident, it's kind of contagious. Kind of like projecting that feeling onto someone else, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I think I get it. But I’m pretty that only works for women and average/tall men.

There's plenty of shorter guys than me that I consider MORE attractive than really tall, physically perfect (to me), simply because of their personalities and the way they act around me and my friends.

Really? How short are those guys?

 

[SilverTrain]

Yawn

 

[voidout]

I suppose we'll agree to disagree on the rest...

But in reference to how short these men are, I am 5'3 and 3/4.
I have found men attractive that are my height, and in some cases, an inch or two shorter than me. So have my girlfriends. I don't know what women YOU'RE speaking to, but I certainly do not expect my man to be all of those things. Besides, when you think of it, why would EVER want to be with a women who expects all of that from you? A woman, and man, or any partner should love you for who you are. Plain and simple. If a woman needs those things in order to be attracted to a man then there is certainly something MUCH more wrong with her...

Just as you say women put that expectation on themselves, I can just as easily say that since the beginning of time men have put the unnecessary value on being "alpha" in ever way.

The argument could go on and on. :shrug:

 

[voidout]

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, but I quoted the important parts. Why is it important to grab a man's attention? Why do women feel the need to bend to the will of men in terms of their looks? There are obviously a variety of answers to these questions such as you said, "We, as women, obviously have a natural animal instinct within us to want to reproduce. In order to do that, we need a male. In order to attract a male we need to find what actually does attract them."

I agree with that. But I also think women feel this pressure because they expect to be approached by men. Men probably won't approach you if you're ugly.

This is just a theory, but let's say the tables were turned. Let's say men expected women to approach them. Don't you think even more emphasis would be placed on men's physical looks if that was the case? I think men would all of a sudden feel even more pressure to be as attractive as possible in order to get the attention of women.

Maybe I'm talking out of my ass here, but that's my 2 cents.

I'm watching dragon heart right now, and while reading this all I could think of is "NO, DRACO! DON'T FALL OUT OF THE SKY!!!!" ahahaha.

But really, that's a very good point. I think it has to do with a combination of many things.

I am reminded of Ways of Seeing by Berger, a book which is primarily about art & the way people view it. But Berger makes some very interesting statements on the roles women and men play in art and in society.

An excerpt from an essay about the book:

The woman is usually posed in a way to please the viewer, her gaze is meant to entice the viewer, and this notion is the same in modern day advertisements and photographs. Berger comments that a woman unconsciously acts in a way knowing she is being viewed. Women are constantly being surveyed, not only by men but by other women, and by themselves. The notion of being viewed is made obvious in the nude paintings. Naked and nude are two separate ideas, the author points out. Naked is being by yourself and naked, without being viewed as an object. Nude is being viewed as an object of sexuality or pleasure. The nude paintings were specifically for men to view as pleasure images. Men could look at this beautiful nude and gain reassurance of their manhood. In return the female gets nothing, this painting seems as if it is about her, but it is not. In fact the artist typically does everything in his power to remove any power she may have, even sexually by removing all body hair. The painting is all about the owner/viewer, the man.

Wow! Very interesting. Thank you for this excerpt, it was an enjoyable read.

 

[rob_just_rob]

But mostly and primarily short men.

Or impoverished men. Or pudgy men. Or shy men.

See what I'm getting at?

You THINK you know me. Big difference.

You're a bitter, short guy who has given up on dating. Am I wrong?

And what does it say?

You're easily discouraged, get down on yourself a lot, and would rather be a martyr than to try to get the most out of life. None of which are attractive qualities.

You would become bitter too if you were as short as me and if women treated you the same way the treat me. You have no idea on all the bullshit us short guys has to put up with.

Ho ho ho, now look at you, thinking that you know me. Read some of my older posts on the topics of insecurity and shyness, and then get back to me.

 

[voidout]

Yawn

need me to tuck you in, darling? :biggrin1:

 

[poizen-ivy]

This thread is hilarious!

Thanks for the lawls.

 

[B_spiker067]

The woman is usually posed in a way to please the viewer, her gaze is meant to entice the
...
to remove any power she may have, even sexually by removing all body hair. The painting is all about the owner/viewer, the man.

It seems like your quote does open up a whole slew of questions I imagine you've already asked yourself, Chris.

So nude women in art were like tall men in art?

Were there any nude men depicted in art?

Who made that art and why would they choose to depict nudes as they did?

This is some interesting stuff you've brought up.

 

[voidout]

This thread is hilarious!

Thanks for the lawls.

sigh. i know. i'm embarrassed i got involved.

 

[molotovmuffin]

 

[Mithra]

Al Pacino is 5'6". I wonder if he ever got laid.

 

[MercyfulFate]

Al Pacino is 5'6". I wonder if he ever got laid.

Fame + Money = Be a midget and get laid

 

[Enid]

i think tom cruise is even shorter than al pacino.

oops i was wrong, he's 5'7"

 

[SilverTrain]

i think tom cruise is even shorter than al pacino.

oops i was wrong, he's 5'7"

No way.

In lifts, maybe.

 

[Enid]

according to the internets anyway. i thought he was shorter too.
not as short as this man though:
22-inch Nepal man: I'm the world's shortest - South and Central Asia- msnbc.com

 

[SilverTrain]

according to the internets anyway. i thought he was shorter too.
not as short as this man though:
22-inch Nepal man: I'm the world's shortest - South and Central Asia- msnbc.com

The internets could be correct (but I doubt it). I just like dissing him. :biggrin1:

 

[voidout]

the internets could be correct (but i doubt it). I just like dissing him. :biggrin1:

everything on the interweb is correct you newb.