August Poll - Your Choice For President - 2004
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Javierdude22:
Ponybilt, this is something that puzzles me as well. Leaving aside a previous thread on IQ and voting, I am coming to the conclusion that whoever you vote for has little to do with intelligence. It has a lot to do with wisdom though, one's level of integrity on whats fair or not, and also simply the values you hold to be true, and how strong you hold them. Smart people can stick their heads in the ground cause they don't want to see the truth or are afraid of it, they will vote for Bush because his tax policy helps them pay of that second house in the country, or they vote for him because they have strong convictions on abortion, religion, guns, races, worker's rights, or minimum wage.
To me personally this administration has brought to the surface something other administrations at least tried to conceil, the fact that the US in it's actions, policies, and rights is anything bút transparent, fair, equal, and democratic. Bush however, has the audacity to show the world that democratic void while saying 'up yours, if you don't like it i'll bully you'. Paradoxically he says he is doing that for America, an America half of which despies him.
whatever..
I think we exagerrate if we consider the LPSG a medium reaching a crowd large enough to affect election outcomes. If they would ask my opinion on CNN, I would consider constructive criticism, between all of us on LPSG I think there won't be a problem to speak my mind.
Ponybilt, this is something that puzzles me as well. Leaving aside a previous thread on IQ and voting, I am coming to the conclusion that whoever you vote for has little to do with intelligence. It has a lot to do with wisdom though, one's level of integrity on whats fair or not, and also simply the values you hold to be true, and how strong you hold them. Smart people can stick their heads in the ground cause they don't want to see the truth or are afraid of it, they will vote for Bush because his tax policy helps them pay of that second house in the country, or they vote for him because they have strong convictions on abortion, religion, guns, races, worker's rights, or minimum wage.
To me personally this administration has brought to the surface something other administrations at least tried to conceil, the fact that the US in it's actions, policies, and rights is anything bút transparent, fair, equal, and democratic. Bush however, has the audacity to show the world that democratic void while saying 'up yours, if you don't like it i'll bully you'. Paradoxically he says he is doing that for America, an America half of which despies him.
whatever..
I may be overly cynical about our morally challenged President.
Today I read that Karl and Dumbya have become concerned that polls are showing that America believes that the Bush campaign is/has coordinated with the SBVT on the Kerry attack ads. Does Bush ask the SBVT group to stop? Nope. It would be so much better if simultaneously the attack ads continued and for Baby Bush to magnamiously tell the press that John Kerry's war record is more impressive than mine. huh? Cheap.
jay
Today I read that Karl and Dumbya have become concerned that polls are showing that America believes that the Bush campaign is/has coordinated with the SBVT on the Kerry attack ads. Does Bush ask the SBVT group to stop? Nope. It would be so much better if simultaneously the attack ads continued and for Baby Bush to magnamiously tell the press that John Kerry's war record is more impressive than mine. huh? Cheap.
jay
Javierdude22: This was what I was worried about:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08...aign/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08...aign/index.html
Hmm ... isn't that possibly giving too much creedence to the thought-process of (most, but not all) voters? Deciding on whom your are going to vote for has little to do with policies but everything to do with "feeling".
"I feel that George Wanker Bush is not a truthful guy so I will vote for Kerry".
"I feel that Kerry is a lame-duck jack-ass so I will vote for Bush".
Isn't a lot of it instinct? In the UK there are three main parties: The Conservatives (aka, The Tories), Labour (hey, they used to be left-wing!
and The Liberal Democrats (who are now the only radical party left). My instinct is to NEVER vote Tory because they claim to believe in personal choice yet they passed "Section 28" which bans any teaching about homosexuality in schools and thereby made gay school-kids second-class citizens (the Tories in the House of Lords also stopped the equalisation of the age of consent twice and Labour had to invoke a little-used law to force The Lords to accept it).
My instinct is to NEVER vote Labour. As much as they claim to be a progressive party, ridding themselves of their "hard left" image, the hard-left is still there lurking in the wings. I always thought Blair was a slippery character and his lies over IRAQ have proved me right.
My instinct is to ALWAYS vote LibDem. They are the only radical party in the country; they DO care about personal freedoms and have demonstrated this on many occasions. (Indeed, ALL of the personal freedom laws introduced by the Labour government since 1997 were taken from the LibDems).
Americans will vote for Kerry or Bush ... no, half of Americans will, the other half won't bother to go to the polls ... depending on their instinct. There are die-hard Republicans on this board who believe all the drivel Bush has spewed forth and they will NEVER vote for Kerry. There are Democrats here who wouldn't be caught dead voting Republican and never will.
Voting isn't to do with intelligence. It's got nothing to do with policies. It has everything to do with whom you feel comforatable with.
I don't really like Bush...
(and now that I've got you all on my good side)
However, I nearly hate John Kerry. I think Kerry's character is lacking integrity. Granted, Bush has little more than Kerry himself but I just don't feel Kerry as a man of the people. If it were a more likeable democratic candidate with better economic policies, I would consider voting democratic.
Bush was wrong to propose the gay marriage ban. I don't know all the facts about that amendment, but it is just stupid to do that before an election. I don't agree with it anyway. Like Dolly Parton said about gay marriage, "Why shouldn't you people have to suffer like the rest of us."
[[-VOTE BADNARIK 2004!-]]
(and now that I've got you all on my good side)
However, I nearly hate John Kerry. I think Kerry's character is lacking integrity. Granted, Bush has little more than Kerry himself but I just don't feel Kerry as a man of the people. If it were a more likeable democratic candidate with better economic policies, I would consider voting democratic.
Bush was wrong to propose the gay marriage ban. I don't know all the facts about that amendment, but it is just stupid to do that before an election. I don't agree with it anyway. Like Dolly Parton said about gay marriage, "Why shouldn't you people have to suffer like the rest of us."
[[-VOTE BADNARIK 2004!-]]
While I understand not liking John Kerry -- since he's not very likeable -- what does being a "man of the people" have to do with it? President Bush is the son of a president and vice president, grandson of a senator, had everything handed to him on a silver platter, got into Ivy League schools because of his family connections, and made millions from the sale of the Texas Rangers by getting taxpayers to pay for a new stadium.
If it's a contest based on being a "man of the people," then there are no winners here.
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