"Average" Inflation

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You are no doubt trying to present an individual to individual truth (that one can't know from looking at "a guy"), and then use that as a springboard to suddenly present as a general truth ("flaccid tells you very little"). You start out correct, but then make sure to paint it into the corner you want it to be in. What can you base this 'general truth' on, other than the 'individual examples' that can be presented? This using of individual analysis as a 'general overall proof' that correlations don't exist is an old worn out tactic that never loses steam. People can't seem to realise the difference, or else refuse to allow themselves to see it is not a general proof. Not picking on you, it abounds all over the place.

Superlarge,

I will agree with you in large part, but in the context of this thread, I think there is a little more to the story. The claim really isn't that flaccid size tells you all that little, but that it can be very deceptive to try to base judgments of average off of your own flaccid size and your perceived growth to erection.

Just an example, suppose you are a grower, 3 inches flaccid and 6 inches erect. You double in length upon getting an erection. Now, you see other people flaccid and observe an average flaccid length of something like 3.75 inches. If you project your growth onto them, you get 7.5 inches. However, studies indicate larger flaccid penises do not grow as much on a percentage basis, so you've overestimated the average.

He's right that the only penis you will definitely know to be bigger than yours is the one that is bigger flaccid than yours is hard. You're definitely right that if you see a flaccid penis larger than yours, the good money is on it being larger than yours erect as well. Since this thread is about perceptions of the average, however, he is right that trying to estimate the average based on flaccid penises is tough work (i.e. flaccid penises tell us pretty little). This is because you have the conflicting forces of flaccid length and growth to erection, both of which vary from study to study.
 

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I appreciate the good thinking going on here. However, I want to be clear about my thoughts and my intent. In wondering whether or not average sizes are larger than typically reported, even in scientific studies, I was not necessarily implying that the studies lie or that the studies are somehow flawed. I was just wondering what other people thought based on their own experiences and their own thinking about the issue. I found it interesting that another poster almost posted the same topic the same day. My own experience seems to be in conflict with what the "experts say" and so I'm just trying to figure it out. For instance, I wonder if penis sizes vary much more than the "average" statistics imply. Just to make the point - you can come up with an average of 6 inches by having 40 guys of 4 inches and 40 guys of 8 inches and 20 guys of 6 inches. In this case, the 6 inch guy could say he was "average" when in actuality he would be the unusual one. I know there are some studies that show bar graphs that show numbers of people at each 1/4 inch increment, but I'm not sure the official scientific studies show that - I see that more at more unofficial websites.

I'm not obsessing about this, but what the heck, it seems like the appropriate place to "wonder" about it.
 

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Oh and I also wasn't trying to claim that that flaccid and erect sizes can't be quite different. I know that's the case and I also appreciate Superlarge's clarifying points about the oversimplification that can occur. The question I was asking was: Does your personal experience conflict or confirm the common perception that 5-6 inches is "average?"
 

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I appreciate the good thinking going on here. However, I want to be clear about my thoughts and my intent. In wondering whether or not average sizes are larger than typically reported, even in scientific studies, I was not necessarily implying that the studies lie or that the studies are somehow flawed. I was just wondering what other people thought based on their own experiences and their own thinking about the issue. I found it interesting that another poster almost posted the same topic the same day. My own experience seems to be in conflict with what the "experts say" and so I'm just trying to figure it out. For instance, I wonder if penis sizes vary much more than the "average" statistics imply. Just to make the point - you can come up with an average of 6 inches by having 40 guys of 4 inches and 40 guys of 8 inches and 20 guys of 6 inches. In this case, the 6 inch guy could say he was "average" when in actuality he would be the unusual one. I know there are some studies that show bar graphs that show numbers of people at each 1/4 inch increment, but I'm not sure the official scientific studies show that - I see that more at more unofficial websites.

I'm not obsessing about this, but what the heck, it seems like the appropriate place to "wonder" about it.

I'll just make one more comment and step out since I haven't seen many erect penises in my day. As for scientific studies showing those types of bar graphs, the only one that I know does so is the lifestyles report, which makes it clear that the vast majority of people fall into a relatively tight range around their reported average. If you want, I can try to find that display, but I think a link to it is on lpsg somewhere.

Also, as for the validity of scientific studies, I will say that my exposure to flaccid penises (showers mostly) suggests that the average flaccid penis falls into the range given by most studies. I figure if they are right on that, they're probably pretty close to right on the erect length.

There is the potential that the studies are biased downward by less than full erections (it would likely be hard to get completely hard in a clinical setting and very few studies use erection inducing drugs). So that might account for .25-.5 inches.

Finally, the low 5 inch figures reported typically come from reports that do not use bone-pressing as the standard (as is the custom on lpsg and when most men measure). There was one study that took into account both visibly erect length and fat pad depth to arrive at an average of 6.2 (5.1 in visible erect length on average and 1.1 in fat pad depth on average). Add in a quarter inch for a stronger erection and you might be looking at something closer to 6.5, which isn't that far off from the 7 you have in your head.

I'll hand this thread over to the straight women and gay men who are much more likely to have seen an adequate sample of fully erect penises, but I've now thrown in more than my two cents, I guess.
 

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Another thing about these studies... I only count the ones that were actually measured by a medical staff. The self reported surveys don't even count in my mind.

Even the ones measured by a medical staff were voluntary participation.
Such as the Durex, and Lifestyles condom makers studies. I feel that this skews it towards the large side. How many small guys do you think would have volunteered to be measured? Some of the other studies had a more captive group of subjects. Volunteer studies aren't much better than self reported ones, in my opinion. Stats compiled by urologists who see thousands, and from military physicians, would be of far more interests.
 

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I think that "average" stats are inflated for some reason. I know there are lots of studies that put average at around 5 or 6 inches. But I've noticed informally from my childhood locker room experiences and adulthood YMCA/health club shower experiences that my cock is smaller than average. I'm probably 2-3 inches "completely" flaccid and 5.5 inches fully erect. I think I have the second or third smallest penis I've ever seen in all of these situations.
So I"m thinking that actually average is more like 6-8 inches.

Curious as to what others think...

I think you're nuts! I have seen average reported as 5.3 - 5.5 inches in length. Some sites will say 6 inches is average but that really is a stretch (pun intended). :tongue:

If average were 6-8 inches you would hear even more men whining about having small dicks!
 

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I think you're nuts! I have seen average reported as 5.3 - 5.5 inches in length. Some sites will say 6 inches is average but that really is a stretch (pun intended). :tongue:

If average were 6-8 inches you would hear even more men whining about having small dicks!

That doesn't make sense. If 6-8" was average, more guys would be in that range. The number of smaller guys wouldn't change if the average went up.
 

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I penises I have seen probably were over 6.3 inches, but they were all from guys who like to show off in porn so, there you have it and i once saw a friend who was like 7 inches or more when he was 14 ..