Bankruptcy 101...Why Arizona Did the Right Thing

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  1. hypoc8

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    It's easy to dismiss individual programs that benefit
    non-citizens until they're put together and this
    picture emerges. Someone did a lot of
    research to put together all of this data. Often
    these programs are buried within other programs
    making them difficult to find.





    A Real Eye Opener ...
    WHY is the USA BANKRUPT?

    Informative, and mind boggling!

    You think the war in Iraq was
    costing us too much? Read this:

    We have been hammered with the propaganda that it
    was the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

    I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over
    and over again until they are read so many times
    that the reader gets sick of reading them.
    I also have included the URL's for verification
    of all the following facts...


    1.
    $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare
    to illegal aliens each year by state
    governments.
    Verify
    at: The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR): Page Not Found
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    2.
    $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
    assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC,
    and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    Verify
    at: The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget | Center for Immigration Studies


    $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid
    for illegal aliens. Verify at: The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget | Center for Immigration Studies









    4.
    $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!



    Verify
    at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt..0.HTML

    5.
    $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    Verify
    at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

    6.
    $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate
    illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML



    7.
    30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are
    illegal aliens.



    Verify
    at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
    < http://transcripts/.. " href="http://transcripts/..cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML>" target=_blank rel=nofollow>cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML%3E;




    8.
    $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal
    aliens for Welfare & social services by the
    American taxpayers.


    Verify
    at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

    9.
    $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed
    American wages are caused by the illegal
    aliens.


    Verify
    at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC RI PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML



    10.
    The illegal aliens in the United States have
    a crime rate that's two and a half times that of
    white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    their children are going to make a huge
    additional crime problem in the US
    .

    Verify
    at: http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML
    < " href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML>" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML%
    3E; ;






    11.
    During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10
    MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern
    Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
    from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of
    drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana,
    crossed into the US from the Southern border.



    Verify
    at: Homeland Security
    Report:

    12.
    The National policy Institute estimated that the
    total cost of mass deportation would be between
    $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.


    Verify
    at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute..org/PDF/deportation.PDF



    13.
    In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in
    remittances to their countries of origin.


    Verify
    at: http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm
    <http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm>; ;

    14.The
    Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One
    million sex crimes Committed by Illegal
    Immigrants In The United States .


    Verify
    at:
    http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
    <http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml%3E;%C2%A0%20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml
    <


    The
    total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.



    Are we THAT stupid? YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!!


    If
    this doesn't bother you then just delete the
    message. If, on the other hand, it does
    raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope
    you forward it to every legal resident in the
    United States .
     
  2. B_VinylBoy

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    The fear mongering here is extremely laughable.
    OMG... the Mexicans are stealing our jobs, eating up all our food, sending our money over the border and raping our women!

    I guess this means public enemy number one is back to being a Mexican again? Or is it still Al-Qaeda? Or is it our Socialist/Nazi/Fascist/Articulate/Telepompter reading negro president? Palin with a strap-on? Rand Paul with a thought? Please remind me for I can't keep up anymore. :rolleyes:

    BTW... it would help if you posted the links properly. None of them work.
     
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  3. justasimpleguy

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    Half of those links don't even work you fucking jackass. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have now cost us over $1 trillion and that is a fact. And what the fuck do we have to show for it other than some dead Marines, alot of dead brown people and millions of pissed off Arabs and Muslims?

    Continue to troll.
     
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    For all that, you don't demonstrate the distribution of this expenditure borne by Arizona. If anything, my suspicion is that the state of California is the largest culprit. But I'm not going to bother to do the research, this thread is stupid.
     
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    Yeah, I stopped reading after her own first link said in the gdamned hyperlink "Page not found."

    YAWN
     
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    WAHOO CHAIN MAIL FORWARD!!!

    FAIR has ties to a NeoNazi group. :up: yeah they are a reliable source. :rolleyes:
     
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    You stole my post..to the last word.

    Fucking cunt :rolleyes:
     
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    Dammit! It wasn't my intent to post something here and the links not work. Sorry about that.
     
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    These figures are compelling albeit questionable. I just have one question (rhetorical, I suppose). How can these agencies determine the unequal share of expenditures that illegal aliens allegedly bear, given that they aren't even on the books so that they may be quantified in the first place? Any Hispanic-sounding surname would do?
     
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    Here's a friendly piece of advice for posting here at LPSG, and most especially when starting a new thread: hit the damn Preview Post button and review everything very carefully. Click on and verify every link. Review and correct any strange formatting issues. Use spell check. Only hit Submit after having double-checked everything.

    If you're attempting to make an intelligent point, it's important to post as intelligently as possible. Otherwise people will be justified in calling you a troll before they even read what you have to say.
     
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    Words like billion look big and scary, but billions of dollars really aren't much in our federal budget. I clicked randomly on one of the broken links, and taking about 20 seconds of searching, still debunked it. Check out this NYT article about illegal aliens and federal inmates:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/business/30leonside.html

    It looks like you were just looking for what you wanted to find.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Well put, Dee. If you look at the provenance of data, you also get a sense of the weight you should assign to it.

    For example:

    Who is FAIR? According to their website,
    "Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a national, nonprofit, public-interest, membership organization of concerned citizens who share a common belief that our nation's immigration policies must be reformed to serve the national interest."
    I doubt that FAIR would ever find a number that didn't support their "common belief".

    What is the political agenda of the Center for Immigration Studies? According to their website,
    "The Center is animated by a unique pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted."
    So, they like immigration, but they only like it their way.

    How objective is CNN? No opinion here, but it's a good question. I hear a lot about the "liberal media", but when I see CNN or Fox News quoted I cringe just a little bit. I have no doubt the transcripts cited (but not available from the broken links) are part of a special or a hosted opinion program (Lou Dobbs, Larry King, Nancy Grace, etc.). Nothing wrong with that type of programming, per se, but it is not "news reporting".

    So what about the National Policy Institute? From their website:
    Government policies and cultural trends adversely affect the very safety, economic standards, and traditional values of America’s historic majority. This is the focus of THE NATIONAL POLICY INSTITUTE.
    I'm not sure the "historic majority" represents a viewpoint that would be welcoming to immigrants. Of course, the subtle irony needs to be appreciated since the US is a nation of immigrants.

    And about Jeff Rense... Well, I wanted to quote something from his website about his philosophy, but I couldn't make my way past all of the paid ads. Jeff Rense, it appears, is all about commercial appeal. From his website:
    Jun 8, 2010 ... Put Your Product Or Service On The Jeff Rense Program And Rense Radio Network For As Little As $5.54 Per Commercial Minute!
    This guy is smart -- he knows controversial stuff attracts the fringe and the fringe, by God, need:

    • The Awful Truth about CoQ10
    • Allicin C 30 (which supports your body's natural defences)
    • Heirloom Organics (they'll help you if you're interested in setting up a Survival Seed Bank - "seeds will be worth more than gold in the coming economic collapse!"
    Here's the first bit of Jeff Rense's Wikipedia page:
    Jeff Rense is an American conspiracy theorist and radio talk-show host of the Jeff Rense Program, broadcast on US satellite radio via Republic Broadcasting Network (RBN) and Internet radio.​
    Rense's radio program and website, Rense.com, cover subjects such as 9/11 conspiracy theories, UFO reporting, paranormal phenomena, Holocaust denial, Zionism, tracking of new diseases and possible resultant pandemics, environmental concerns (see chemtrails), animal rights, possible evidence of advanced ancient technology, geopolitical developments and emergent energy technologies, complementary and alternative medicine among other subjects.
    Quite an authority, it appears.

    Finally, what is this drdsk.com site? It's none other than the website of the Violent Crimes Institute, LLC run by Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin. She is "Your Guide Into The Deviant Mind"(TM). [No kidding, she trade-marked that.] Now, with all due respect to Dr. Schurman-Kauflin, do you think she makes a living talking about anything positive?

    Okay... enough dissecting. Here's the point: sources matter as much as content. Just as you would never ask Bernie Madoff for investment advice, you should never accept arguments on a topic as 100% accurate without first applying the Latin maxim cui bono (who benefits?).

    I think immigration is an important topic that should be discussed. We should, as individuals and as a country, develop a thoughtful and thorough understanding of the challenges immigration presents and we should look at the Arizona experience. Is any of the quoted commentary from hypoc8 legitimate? Maybe. Is it immediately evident that "Arizona did the right thing"? Not at all.
     
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    It's also worth noting that in order to qualify for non-profit status (501(c)) and its associated tax benefits, an organization must self-identify as "non-partisan", regardless of how far to the left or right such groups tack.

    It's part of the game.
     
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    ColoradoGuy and Bbucko are wise. They substantially raise the quality, humanity, and general quality of discussion in the Politics forum. There is hope.
     
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    I am a mere apprentice compared to Bbucko, but thanks.
     
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