Barack Obama, Staying the Course

[deleted213967]

Let's see...blacks make up less than 10% of the vote in Cali so it seems only logical that if anything were to pass with a minimum of 51% it would take 41% of some other race. Now if only 70% of blacks voted as you say that means more of other races was needed. No matter how you seek to blame blacks your people were a part of it too.

No spin please. On the issue of gay rights (as you define it yourself) black voters are markedly, statistically far more bigoted than any other race. THE END.

But don't you like the almost comically patronizing tone of the well-meaning Huffington Post "analysis"?

I found him hilarious.

 

[StormfrontFL]

No spin please. On the issue of gay rights (as you define it yourself) black voters are markedly, statistically far more bigoted than any other race. THE END.

But don't you like the almost comically patronizing tone of the well-meaning Huffington Post "analysis"?

I found him hilarious.

Admit that even with 100% of the black vote Prop 8 would not have passed without the votes of other races, including whites. Just so you know, go to almost any black church and you'll see gay members. Just as we are in most families. And most neighborhoods.

Oh and one more time....white voters helped pass Prop 8 no matter how much you try to blame only blacks.

 

[deleted213967]

I think people with a wider, more informed perspective are generally more accepting of different lifestyles. Formal education, particularly at the college level, is certainly a part of that broadened perspective--both in the classroom and in interactions on campus.

Would you maintain that homophobes are typically among our more educated citizens?

I agree, by and large.

The article genuinely made me chuckle though. I can't imagine any left-leaning medium resorting to this sort of language when covering white conservative voters.

Uneducated people -- black, white and Hispanic -- often derive their power from physical strength. They perceive being gay as weak and antithetical to real manhood. By voicing support for gay rights, they lose status and often fear rivals may perceive them as gay.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I agree, by and large.

The article genuinely made me chuckle though. I can't imagine any left-leaning medium resorting to this sort of language when covering white conservative voters.

Uneducated people -- black, white and Hispanic -- often derive their power from physical strength. They perceive being gay as weak and antithetical to real manhood. By voicing support for gay rights, they lose status and often fear rivals may perceive them as gay.

In other words, idiocracy. Like in the film anyone speaking intelligently is perceived as weak or gay.

 

[Klingsor]

No spin please. On the issue of gay rights (as you define it yourself) black voters are markedly, statistically far more bigoted than any other race. THE END.

You keep making the point about blacks not supporting same-sex marriage. But it's a sad truth, and really no secret, that various minority and/or oppressed groups--blacks, Hispanics, Jews, gays, women--have not always rallied together to make common cause, and can even be antagonistic toward one another. This conflict can be particularly fraught for people who fall into more than one these categories and find their loyalties torn.

While an unfortunate situation, and a hindrance to social progress, such antagonism does not invalidate the struggles of any of these groups.

 

[b.c.]

Admit that even with 100% of the black vote Prop 8 would not have passed without the votes of other races, including whites. Just so you know, go to almost any black church and you'll see gay members. Just as we are in most families. And most neighborhoods.

Oh and one more time....white voters helped pass Prop 8 no matter how much you try to blame only blacks.

You keep making the point about blacks not supporting same-sex marriage. But it's a sad truth, and really no secret, that various minority and/or oppressed groups--blacks, Hispanics, Jews, gays, women--have not always rallied together to make common cause, and can even be antagonistic toward one another. This conflict can be particularly fraught for people who fall into more than one these categories and find their loyalties torn.

While an unfortunate situation, and a hindrance to social progress, such antagonism does not invalidate the struggles of any of these groups.

The fact that he keeps putting the passage of prop 8 on blacks in particular, and well as posts the LIE that Obama supported it, pretty much spells out who and what this guy is all about, imo,

as well as the fact that he is a "99% gay" person who continues to defend a party whose policies and ideology have been largely detrimental to the LGBT community.

 

[deleted213967]

The fact that he keeps putting the passage of prop 8 on blacks in particular, and well as posts the LIE that Obama supported it, pretty much spells out who and what this guy is all about, imo,

as well as the fact that he is a "99% gay" person who continues to defend a party whose policies and ideology have been largely detrimental to the LGBT community.

Rather pathetic, if you ask me.

I never stated that BHO supported Proposition 8, only that he supported traditional marriage as he campaigned...before "evolving" coincidentally with poll numbers.

Proposition 8 was a more interesting case study because it involved an action (voting) on a concrete topic (marriage), not simply a hard-to-measure opinion.

I couldn't care less about the folks who voted for Proposition 8, but I am certainly going to use this hard evidence against any attempt to paint all white Americans or even all conservative white Americans as bigoted.

As for building your entire worldview on your self-interest as a sexual entity...well, that I find pathetic.

 

[b.c.]

I never stated that BHO supported Proposition 8, only that he supported traditional marriage as he campaigned...before "evolving" coincidentally with poll numbers.

Proposition 8 was a more interesting case study because it involved an action (voting) on a concrete topic (marriage), not simply a hard-to-measure opinion.

I couldn't care less about the folks who voted for Proposition 8, but I am certainly going to use this hard evidence against any attempt to paint all white Americans or even all conservative white Americans as bigoted.

No, bud... just BLACK Americans. I'd say you do a pretty damned good job of outing yourself, dontcha?

 

[deleted213967]

No, bud... just BLACK Americans. I'd say you do a pretty damned good job of outing yourself, dontcha?

Nice try. This class struggle dialectic pitching groups of Americans against one another doesn't do it for me.

Is that all The Left has left?

 

[Klingsor]

As for building your entire worldview on your self-interest as a sexual entity...well, that I find pathetic.

I'm not sure how striving for one's civil rights translates to . . . that. But whatever.

 

[Fuzzy_]

I couldn't care less about the folks who voted for Proposition 8, but I am certainly going to use this hard evidence against any attempt to paint all white Americans or even all conservative white Americans as bigoted.

But you do care. (Especially regarding a certain race -- as b.c. pointed out).

Proposition 8 and Race*|*Wayne Besen

No, I only want to go back to 2008 and Proposition 8, a mere 6 years ago...

I am not certain I follow the connection between citing an established voting record demonstrating that (as recently as 2008) black voters were overwhelmingly more opposed to same-sex marriage than any other ethnic group (bigoted, in leftist parlance)...

African American voters, who were overwhelmingly in favor of banning same sex marriage (70 percent supported Proposition 8) even as they supported Obama even more heavily (94 percent).

On the issue of gay rights (as you define it yourself) black voters are markedly, statistically far more bigoted than any other race. THE END.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I never stated that BHO supported Proposition 8, only that he supported traditional marriage as he campaigned...before "evolving" coincidentally with poll numbers.

Proposition 8 was a more interesting case study because it involved an action (voting) on a concrete topic (marriage), not simply a hard-to-measure opinion.

I couldn't care less about the folks who voted for Proposition 8, but I am certainly going to use this hard evidence against any attempt to paint all white Americans or even all conservative white Americans as bigoted.

As for building your entire worldview on your self-interest as a sexual entity...well, that I find pathetic.

Yet you think it's okay to portray all African Americans as bigoted. Do you see the disconnect yet?

 

[b.c.]

Yet you think it's okay to portray all African Americans as bigoted. Do you see the disconnect yet?

What's even crazier is those who defend and dismiss bigoted anti gay GOP legislation while trying to take black people to task on prop 8.

Talk about GOT a f*king nerve.

Pathetic.

 

[deleted213967]

But you do care. (Especially regarding a certain race -- as b.c. pointed out).

I was only using Prop 8 as a counter-evidence prop to your own America-Is-So-Anti-Black bullshit.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I was only using Prop 8 as a counter-evidence prop to your own America-Is-So-Anti-Black bullshit.

As Fuzzy showed you used Prop 8 and the black vote whenever you could.No one has ever said that blacks were perfect and treated everyone equal, only you seem to have seen that. You also used Prop 8 as a means to avoid the charges made against gay Republicans and their apparent embrace of the GOP's anti gay policies. I can count the number of times you've made the whole black/Prop 8 comments but have yet to see you speak out against your Party's policies. It would seem that going against the black vote means more to you than being anti gay or do you agree with reparative therapy?

 

[Jjz1109]

U.S. Air Drops Arms To Kurdish Forces Fighting ISIS In Kobani

I know how so many here love to post links from the Huffington Post.

Can you imagine if this happened with a Republican Commander in Chief? The LPSG site would crash.

 

[Fuzzy_]

I was only using Prop 8 as a counter-evidence prop to your own America-Is-So-Anti-Black bullshit.

Again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

America is not anti-black, but unfortunately, America still has residual racism reflected in laws, the media, voting, prisons, etc.

 

[deleted213967]

Again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

America is not anti-black, but unfortunately, America still has residual racism reflected in laws, the media, voting, prisons, etc.

What laws would that be? Say, Affirmative Action?

What racism in voting? The election of BHO twice? Or the vitriol your set splashes on the likes of Ben Carson, who is technically 100% more black than Obama?

 

[Jjz1109]

Again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

America is not anti-black, but unfortunately, America still has residual racism reflected in laws, the media, voting, prisons, etc.

Really? Are you speaking for everyone here? You may need to clarify the difference between anti-black and racism. You wouldn't get that impression here from the usual suspects here who blame every incident, including Thomas Duncan, the Ebola patient who recently died, on accusations of racism (anti-black?), now in our medical profession. You would think that the entire non black population is anti black, at least from their POV.

 

[b.c.]

Another b.s. deflection via use of straw man tactics. NO ONE here EVER argued that the entire non black population is anti black, so anyone suggesting such foolishness can stick that right up their bum.

The acknowledgement of racial bias and disparity in various segments of American society, especially that which is verified via statistics and DATA, is merely just THAT, an awareness of the problem.

Turning those facts into some "entire non black population is anti black" scenario is nothing more than the usual b.s. dismissal and diminishing of real and valid concerns, though typical (I think) of bigots, their apologists, and those who live in some illusionary state of DENIAL.