Barry Bonds The Greatest

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But what about pre-Black vs post-Black.... small strikezone vs large strikezone... chemicals vs no-chemicals...

and where is the outcry against the MBL players union THAT PREVENTED ANY ACROSS THE BOARD testing years ago.... 99% of the Bonds is the Home Roid King posters and pundits, don't even know the CURRENT testing policy and limitations thereof. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

I don't think I'm following your point - you seem to be making the case that baseball is a different game for a bunch of different reasons, which I'd agree with.

And by the way. It's got nothing to do with race whatsoever.
 

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I dont like sports, but i can relate.

Hitting 756, or however many, homeruns to a sports fan is like Frank Zappa putting out 60 albums in 30 years(which he did)

So, even though i dont like sports, congrats to him and all his fans.
 

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Forget that Babe Ruth crap that was in the, I can't even say what decade that was. Is it the 19-teens, the 19-tens? Babe Ruth was actually before the "Roaring 20s". The Roaring fucking 20s!!! I think its almost delusional to even think to compare who is the more dominant player/athlete. Babe Ruth was a good pitcher because back then you actually COULD do that.

Faceking brings up the great point of this being before black players. Thats like saying football players from the early 1900s are better than those of today, and that one could actually argue a player from that time being better than one today. Bonds was the best well before he was taking steroids. * or not he is the Home Run King. By the way I do see where your anti-barry arguments are coming from, but this is the world today and the way its been for some time. He has the best swing and the best eye of all time. Steroids have nothing to do with either.

757...

And its actually like Frank Zappa putting out 60 great albums and then finding out he was smoking weed to make his music. Or that he was snorting coke to stay up all night in the studio to bang out those albums. I don't think his legacy would change.
 

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And its actually like Frank Zappa putting out 60 great albums and then finding out he was smoking weed to make his music. Or that he was snorting coke to stay up all night in the studio to bang out those albums. I don't think his legacy would change.


Weed hasn't been proven to make you a better song writer. Steroids have been proven to increase your strength. Using coke to say up and write music would be like using coke to get more practice on his swing. The only thing that could be similar would be if there was a drug that was proven to make you perform your music better. I have never heard of anything like that though. The closest thing would be if he was using some kind of sound equipment to make the music sound better while performing live.
 

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So weed hasn't done anything positive for you?

I bet if there was a poll most successful musicians would say weed (or acid or what have you) without a doubt aided in their songwriting ability.
 

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So weed hasn't done anything positive for you?

I bet if there was a poll most successful musicians would say weed (or acid or what have you) without a doubt aided in their songwriting ability.


So could meditating, it's all in the state of mind. It doesn't physically alter you like steroids.
 

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But the weed or what have you can alter the mind allowing you to create music you would not have been able to make without.


They might be able to make the music without it who knows. Their music could turn out just as good without the weed probably it would just be different. There are a lot of things besides drugs that can alter your state of mind though. If he was smoking weed to calm himself down before batting it wouldn't matter because the weed wouldn't be directing effecting his batting. Weed is just changing a persons state of mind and allowing them to tap into a different kind of creativity. It it still their creativity they just might not be able to get to it without altering their state of mind. Steroids alters you physically by giving you strength that you don't have to begin with.
 

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They might be able to make the music without it who knows. Their music could turn out just as good without the weed probably it would just be different. There are a lot of things besides drugs that can alter your state of mind though. If he was smoking weed to calm himself down before batting it wouldn't matter because the weed wouldn't be directing effecting his batting. Weed is just changing a persons state of mind and allowing them to tap into a different kind of creativity. It it still their creativity they just might not be able to get to it without altering their state of mind. Steroids alters you physically by giving you strength that you don't have to begin with.

I think it really sounds like your describing the same thing regarding weed and the mind and steroids. Steroids just don't make you strong on their own. Its not like you swallow some pills or stick some needles in your ass and all of a sudden your big and strong. You have to work out. Its similar to creatine. It just promotes muscle growth and recovery. Its not magic or a miracle drug.

If weed did calm him down then it would be considered a "performance enhancer", which is why marijuana is banned as well. The mind is just as important when hitting as your muscles, if not more so. All steroids did was help him get stronger, he already had all the talent in the world and a perfect swing and perfect hand eye coordination, which steroids have no effect on.
 

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Besides a lot of musicians who used drugs to help them with writing music aren't doing it so they can be better than others, they are doing it so they can make something unique but still good. Whether people like it or not, they want to do something different that people will be amazed with.
 

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I think it really sounds like your describing the same thing regarding weed and the mind and steroids. Steroids just don't make you strong on their own. Its not like you swallow some pills or stick some needles in your ass and all of a sudden your big and strong. You have to work out. Its similar to creatine. It just promotes muscle growth and recovery. Its not magic or a miracle drug.

If weed did calm him down then it would be considered a "performance enhancer", which is why marijuana is banned as well. The mind is just as important when hitting as your muscles, if not more so. All steroids did was help him get stronger, he already had all the talent in the world and a perfect swing and perfect hand eye coordination, which steroids have no effect on.


Steroids are what gave him extra power in his hitting. I can have a good swing and hand eye coordination but it doesn't mean I will be able to hit a ball out of the park. I wouldn't think of marijuana as a performance enhancer because it is not directly enhancing your physical performance. You don't really have to work out that much on steroids to get huge and fast. He could get stronger by working out and doing it the hard way instead of taking the illegal easy way out.
 

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Steroids are what gave him extra power in his hitting. I can have a good swing and hand eye coordination but it doesn't mean I will be able to hit a ball out of the park. I wouldn't think of marijuana as a performance enhancer because it is not directly enhancing your physical performance. You don't really have to work out that much on steroids to get huge and fast. He could get stronger by working out and doing it the hard way instead of taking the illegal easy way out.

Thats a common misconception, you HAVE to work out HARD. If you don't you just retain a lot of water and nothing else happens to you. I guarantee you that Bonds was the hardest working man in MLB during those years of dominance and MVPs and steroids.

Marijuana is still known as a performance enhancer on the list of banned susbstances.
 

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Thats a common misconception, you HAVE to work out HARD. If you don't you just retain a lot of water and nothing else happens to you. I guarantee you that Bonds was the hardest working man in MLB during those years of dominance and MVPs and steroids.

Marijuana is still known as a performance enhancer on the list of banned susbstances.


Compare how hard you would have to work out to get serious improvement and then compare how hard you will have to work out to get serious improvement while using steroids. There's a big difference there. I just know I wouldn't consider Marijuana a performance enhancer, I mean I have never heard of anyone smoking a bunch of weed and then being twice as strong as they were a couple weeks before.
 

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What about oxygen on the sidelines of a game.... that is articificially providing a chemical/substance above and beyond what the body can produce/intake to improve performance....
 

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Because marijuana doesn't enhance muscles and strength. And to be honest some people I know smoke before they work out because they feel it loosens them up and possible does in fact give them more strength. But as you stated before it enhances the mind. (for some people at least)

Having talent and strength etc only gets you so far, its those other intangibles that make you a champion. Joe Montana didn't have the strongest arm, or wasn't the fastest quarterback, but he was ice cold under pressure. His mind was above and beyond everyone else. Under situations of extreme stress he was able to operate flawlessly. Thats the mind. If someone said Montana was smoking bud during half times of Super Bowls you would have to consider it a performance enhancer.

Hell, alcohol and lord knows what else was a performance enhancer for Babe Ruth.

And by the way faceking I COMPLETELY agree with you. Great post before by the way, its needed in the Fuck Bonds thread...
 

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What about oxygen on the sidelines of a game.... that is articificially providing a chemical/substance above and beyond what the body can produce/intake to improve performance....


That is doing what your body does normally though. Breathing is a normal thing and it is not going to enhance your batting ability, it will just allow you to continue playing. The body doesn't normally increase strength the way that steroids do. Also, if someone has lost their breathe bad enough to need an oxygen tank I don't think they should keep playing anyway.