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i love big girls, and i've always been skinny, don't know why, probably just from growing up around larger women. my best friend since i was 11, who is my gf now was a larger girl when we were growing up, still big, not overly fat, more just physical size...
 

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I don't condone obesity frizzle, but there's a difference between obesity and being womanly, the average size now in Britain is a size 16 yet you get one size above this and you're hard pressed to find fashionable clothes. If someone's a healthy size it doesn't matter if they're bigger than the holy grail size 10, but we shouldn't encourage extremes at either end of the scale.
 

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I don't condone obesity frizzle, but there's a difference between obesity and being womanly, the average size now in Britain is a size 16 yet you get one size above this and you're hard pressed to find fashionable clothes. If someone's a healthy size it doesn't matter if they're bigger than the holy grail size 10, but we shouldn't encourage extremes at either end of the scale.

Well I don't know what the BMI to dress size conversion rate is, but it does seem being overweight is more accepted then being anorexic.
 

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Aside from any health issues attendant to weight, isn't this all subjective, just like a lot of the "stuff" that flies around this site. When my wife and I married almost 38 years ago, she was 145 lbs and, on a 5'8" frame, with 38DD breasts, she was always the sexiest woman in the room. Probably a size 12. Since then, she's gained 100 lbs or more. While less weight would certainly be healthier, she's still (to me, her biggest fan) sexy, interesting, alluring, full of "aura," uninhibited sexually, pretty, smart, loyal, dependable, etc. It's all of these things, not just her BBW stature, that make her incredibly attractive. Too many women have been battered by society into thinking that their weight, size, and shape are all that matters...mostly perpetrated by men. Too bad for that. Everyday I celebrate the wonderful woman in my life on every level imaginable...sexual, intellectual, emotional, physical, etc. And I let her know it. Every woman in this thread, including those who "feel" heavy, is attractive. Even if I can't really see their faces or, in some cases, their bodies, I read their words. That's what makes them unique, interesting, and sexy.
 

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I think what Frizzle said has some truth in it, in recent magazines there's been lots of attention given to girls in the media who are too thin (ribs showing in dresses etc) and these girls are lambasted for it, within the same magazine we see images of stick thin models in advertisements sending out the message stick thin is desirable and this gives a totally mixed message.

Stick thin and hugely fat both have their own associated problems, when it comes to weight a little leeway at each end of the scale is desirable and the realisation that for some people thin is naturally what they're supposed to be and for others larger is just the way they're made.

We're asked to be tolerant of differences, why can't the media demonstrate the tolerance of size differences that most people do in their everyday life?
 

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Idk... I have a really hard time with this issue. I'm from the Midwest. Around here it seems as if the average here is 10-20lbs over weight from a medical stand point. It also seems that BBW is just used to make people feel better about who they are. Kind of saying that, "ehh don't worry about trying to be fit and healthy, you're beautiful just the way you are."

It may just be me but at 5'11", 165lbs I have a hard time being attracted to a girl that weighs more than me no matter how she carries it. Even a girl that is 5'4", 140lb is too much for me. Idk personal preference I guess. Some like blonds.
 

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It may just be me but at 5'11", 165lbs I have a hard time being attracted to a girl that weighs more than me no matter how she carries it. Even a girl that is 5'4", 140lb is too much for me. Idk personal preference I guess. Some like blonds.

In very strict terms, looking just at height and weight, your BMI at 5'11" and 165 pounds isn't all that much different from a girl who is 5'4" and 140 pounds. From a medical standpoint if you're just looking at weight and height, she's just as fit as you are. As it is, it's very possible that this woman you're describing is in much better shape than you are if you look at other factors.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that...
 

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In very strict terms, looking just at height and weight, your BMI at 5'11" and 165 pounds isn't all that much different from a girl who is 5'4" and 140 pounds. From a medical standpoint if you're just looking at weight and height, she's just as fit as you are. As it is, it's very possible that this woman you're describing is in much better shape than you are if you look at other factors.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that...

Yeah...

I've been at both sides of this. As a teenager I was 5'2" and 94 lbs. - not anorexic though, just naturally thin. And I was surrounded by guys who didn't like thin women, and ONLY liked busty women. I spent many, many dateless years.

Now I am 5'3" and 165 lbs., but still too flat-chested to be attractive, and now too fat for a lot of men on top of that! :eek: So I still spend many dateless years, although now I make more of an active search myself rather than just sitting around waiting for a guy to ask me out (since if I did that, I would only have had a boyfriend once every 15 years! :eek:)
 

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We may have the similar BMI but woman statistically have 7-8 % higher body fat content according to medical standards. They need a higher fat content to support reproduction (even if they never want kids) That's perfectly fine if the girl has the same healthy build, but not if she doesn't exercise. Said woman will have little muscle and her body fat % will be higher even though she weighs the same... being that muscle weighs more than fat. She'll be the same weight but will not be as fit. Personally I'm not into a woman who doesn't take care of herself which takes a healthy diet and exercise.

It's just sad to me that average in this country (US) is chubby. Shouldn't average be fit.
 

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We may have the similar BMI but woman statistically have 7-8 % higher body fat content according to medical standards. They need a higher fat content to support reproduction (even if they never want kids) That's perfectly fine if the girl has the same healthy build, but not if she doesn't exercise. Said woman will have little muscle and her body fat % will be higher even though she weighs the same... being that muscle weighs more than fat. She'll be the same weight but will not be as fit. Personally I'm not into a woman who doesn't take care of herself which takes a healthy diet and exercise.

It's just sad to me that average in this country (US) is chubby. Shouldn't average be fit.

you're assuming a lot of things, and your argument is a little specious.

so let's look at the height-weight tables that were used by insurance companies and doctors for many years. i know these aren't perfect at all, but i'm trying to illustrate the point that you're setting a different standard for yourself than for women.

Met life ideal height weight tables references

this chart indicates that both of the height/weight combinations you mention are on the upper end of the ideal weight.

i agree with you on being fit. however, you're not taking into consideration that a woman who is 140 may well have have more muscle tone than you and be in better shape. i've got about 20 pounds to lose and my husband does a lot of weightlifting, but i'm still in better cardiovascular shape than he is. healthwise, i am more fit than he is even though i'm heavier than he is and look less fit.

these height weight tables and BMI are far from perfect, but they approximate health and fitness relatively well. until you can take body fat measurements of all your prospective dates/women, you really can't tell that they are healthier if they are skinnier.

Take a look at this article:

Thin people might be fat on the inside - Fitness - MSNBC.com

This quote is taken from that article:

"Experts have long known that fat, active people can be healthier than their skinny, inactive counterparts. “Normal-weight persons who are sedentary and unfit are at much higher risk for mortality than obese persons who are active and fit,” said Dr. Steven Blair, an obesity expert at the University of South Carolina."
 

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snooan: You are also making a vast number of assumptions. According to the site that you posted, these BMI charts don't qualify for me being that I'm large framed (according to their definition) and only 22.

There are many flaws as you stated.

Most people who use the Met Life tables don't realize that they should specify their height while wearing "1 inch heel shoes". There are MANY websites using these tables that neglect to point this out.
The tables were designed for adults aged 25 to 59 years. They are certainly not suitable for children, and their usefulness in young adults is dubious. ( Remember that the tables were based on data collected by Life Insurance companies, and not many young adults have life insurance.)

The tables give reasonable results for people whose stature (tallness) is slightly shorter than the average, but the table results are poor for very short people, and particularly poor for tall people. This is illustrated in the following chart. The Met Life "medium frame" weight range is illustrated as a light blue or pink color. The median weight at each increment of height is the solid black line. Notice that they don't match in slope. For very tall men and women, the Met Life tables suggest impossibly low weights.
MenMet.gif
WomenMet.gif

The heights and weights of Men and Women are gradually increasing over time. People are slightly taller and heavier now, than they were in 1979. As population tallness increases, more and more people will discover the problems with the Met Life tables.
In light of the above problems, I believe the Metropolitan Life tables of height and weight should not be recommended for setting a target goal for weight-loss, unless you happen to be just below average height for your Gender.
I suggest that you use a Body Fat % test to determine relative fitness. I know this isn't perfect either but it's far less flawed than a BMI. Being that it takes more physical measurements, accounts for gender, age and race.

I'll use myself as an example:
After filling out the test on this site:

Home Body Fat Test

Here are my results:

You have 6.5% body fat.
You have 10.7 Pounds of fat and 154.3 Pounds of lean (muscle, bone, body water).

I'm a Caucasian Male so that would land me in the "Top Athlete range"
Even with an accuracy of +-2%

What Is A Healthy Amount Of Body Fat?
Depending on your race, recommended percent body fat may vary. Below is a chart of percent body fat found in different people, including the highest and lowest percents Covert has ever tested.

click here for the table

All this being said I'm most attracted to woman that fall with-in the corresponding bracket. They usually play soccer, run, bike, etc... regularly. There's nothing more attractive to me than a fit, athletic woman.
 

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nothing you wrote above contradicts what i'm saying. it is possible for a woman at 5'4" and 140 to be healthy, fit, and have a low body fat percentage.

an internet test isn't a good way to measure body fat, period. it got mine completely wrong.
 

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Somebody needs to rain on this parade, and its raining in seattle, so I will share it.

I have noticed, BBW's are proud to be big, but post pictures of themselves online that make themselves look as thin as possible

BBW's are happy, but always dieting

BBW's can get any man they want, but rarley have LTR's last beyond a year

Fat is not healthy, psychologically or physically.

These obesity love fests on Oprah and online are not helpful. Ask any young woman who has lost weight, how different her life became when she was thinner.

I have met obese women, who thought they were hot... no kidding, one said she was a "9" because she had a beautiful face, and I was a "7". If you are 250 lbs or heavier, you are a "3" or less.

Some believe there are men who actually want a long term, loving relationship. A horny man will say as much, but as time passes, he will become more and more irate, unless he himself is also obese....

Which leads to my final point, if fat is beautiful, why do fat men want fit women, and fat women want fit men?

Less self-esteem excercises, more real excercise. Less ice cream consumption, more green veggies.

I know as some of you are reading this, the back of your neck is burning with rage, you stomach is churning with anger, and you are readying your self to give me a flaming I'll never forget, go for it, but I hope I punched through your shield of delusion. If you take action, your life can be better sooner than you could imagine... if not, 5 years from now, you will still be obese, flaming every asshole that writes what I write.... and ten years from now, still in the same situation, angrily telling off us shithead cocksuckers how happy you really are, and how miserable and pathetic and shallow we must really be.
 

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BBW's are happy, but always dieting

I never dieted until I was sure I wanted to lose weight.

BBW's can get any man they want, but rarley have LTR's last beyond a year

I've been married for 6 1/2 years to a man who is successful, fit, attractive, and kind. He's not a "chubby chaser" by any means but he's always thought I was beautiful.

Fat is not healthy, psychologically or physically.

I agree with this, but there are some people who are healthy and overweight both physically and psychologically. I don't mean women that are 250 pounds, but many women who fall in the BBW category are 160-175 pounds and aren't unhealthy.

These obesity love fests on Oprah and online are not helpful. Ask any young woman who has lost weight, how different her life became when she was thinner.

I've written about this on here before-- I've lost 75 pounds in the last year and it's amazing to me what's changed in my life in terms of how I'm treated in public. Having lost that weight I am also incredibly sympathetic to others who struggle with their weight. The truth is, for whatever reason, weight management is harder for some than for others. I have a lot of empathy for that.

Some believe there are men who actually want a long term, loving relationship. A horny man will say as much, but as time passes, he will become more and more irate, unless he himself is also obese....

Not in my experience.

Less self-esteem excercises, more real excercise. Less ice cream consumption, more green veggies.

It's not that simple, TBH.

I know as some of you are reading this, the back of your neck is burning with rage, you stomach is churning with anger, and you are readying your self to give me a flaming I'll never forget, go for it, but I hope I punched through your shield of delusion. If you take action, your life can be better sooner than you could imagine... if not, 5 years from now, you will still be obese, flaming every asshole that writes what I write.... and ten years from now, still in the same situation, angrily telling off us shithead cocksuckers how happy you really are, and how miserable and pathetic and shallow we must really be.

Eh, okay.
 

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but many women who fall in the BBW category are 160-175 pounds and aren't unhealthy.

I had a g/f for 5.5 years that was 5'6" 160, and sexy as hell. The next one was same height, but 175... and the 15 extra was belly, and honestly, I couldn't see past it when she was naked, i did not think it would happen, but it was hard for me to keep it up for her. There is a fine line between thick, and obese.
 

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It is possible for a woman to be 5'-4", 140lb with a low body fat percentage and healthy. This is extremely attractive....
But from my experience in my part of the country, if a woman is 5'-4", around 140lb she does not have a low body fat percentage. Which is obvious by looking at her. Especially when she insists on cramming herself into cloths that are far too revealing. I don't find Muffin tops to be attractive. I'm not attracted to C or D cups if your chest is 45" around or your gut sticks out further than your boobs do. Thick is fine but very few woman can pull this off. These woman usually have powerful personalities and dress classy which doesn't involve miniskirts and belly shirts.

Maybe I should move to Europe.
 

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Somebody needs to rain on this parade, and its raining in seattle, so I will share it.

I have noticed, BBW's are proud to be big, but post pictures of themselves online that make themselves look as thin as possible

BBW's are happy, but always dieting

BBW's can get any man they want, but rarley have LTR's last beyond a year

Fat is not healthy, psychologically or physically.

These obesity love fests on Oprah and online are not helpful. Ask any young woman who has lost weight, how different her life became when she was thinner.

I have met obese women, who thought they were hot... no kidding, one said she was a "9" because she had a beautiful face, and I was a "7". If you are 250 lbs or heavier, you are a "3" or less.

Some believe there are men who actually want a long term, loving relationship. A horny man will say as much, but as time passes, he will become more and more irate, unless he himself is also obese....

Which leads to my final point, if fat is beautiful, why do fat men want fit women, and fat women want fit men?

Less self-esteem excercises, more real excercise. Less ice cream consumption, more green veggies.

I know as some of you are reading this, the back of your neck is burning with rage, you stomach is churning with anger, and you are readying your self to give me a flaming I'll never forget, go for it, but I hope I punched through your shield of delusion. If you take action, your life can be better sooner than you could imagine... if not, 5 years from now, you will still be obese, flaming every asshole that writes what I write.... and ten years from now, still in the same situation, angrily telling off us shithead cocksuckers how happy you really are, and how miserable and pathetic and shallow we must really be.

I fully agree