Now..this isn't meant to be a negative judgemental thread of a group of people...but it seems like the social group of bears has changed. My Definition of a Bear is someone that's relatively muscular, or even chunky a bit, hairy, generally down to earth, sometimes rugged and outdoorsy, and sometimes the daddy type. (And also someone who I would be most likely to hang out with as I fit into the "Chunky" category) Lately I think this has slipped into a category of acceptance for highly obese gay men. Now, even though these folks are generally super duper nice and caring individuals, but holy crap it's almost like they don't care anymore about their own health and it's now a social "Eat until we die" club. Years ago, I visited a leather bar in Detroit that was known to welcome lots of gay guys that identified themselves as bears within the community. As usual, lots of friendly people, welcoming, and folks of every shape and size, but nobody really HUGE (I'm talking 400+ lbs). I recently visited with a group of folks that identified themselves as bears, and I was saddened by what I saw. Young ones with guts so huge it was hanging to their knees. Older ones who had trouble walking around and sociallizing because they were just too big. I totally understand that some folks have health issues, and they can't help it, but these folks are smokin cigarettes, and eating 6 full dressed brats, potato chips and beer. I'm sure I have only seen a very small sample of the bear community, but thought I would ask the rest of the world... Have you seen a change?