Being Circumcised at birth

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i think the thing a lot of guys circ'd at birth feel frustrated about is the lack of their own consent. this is where people argue it's a human rights issue. a permanent alteration to one's body for any reason without her or his expressed consent is a bit uncomfortable to wrap your head around.

forget the penis and think how you'd feel if someone sliced off your earlobes at birth. you'd probably look at yourself in the mirror and every now and again think about how strange it is that someone would do that. especially if you see someone else who has earlobes. it doesn't matter why it's done, because it was done without regard to whether you wanted that earlobe or not. there's little you can do about it, and it may appear to just be a cosmetic thing, but if you wanted that earlobe back, it'd mean a lot more to you than to someone who shrugs it off as just "something that's done". you can still hear, right? :)

for someone who feels violated, it's an issue of feeling like a whole being, and being in charge of your whole body.
 

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I think to compare the foreskin to the earlobe is a little misleading, the foreskin is a functional, 'useable' part of the genitalia. The earlobe (as far as I know!) doesn't actually serve any purpose.

I dunno if there is an equivalent, it's more like having a kidney removed or something. :/
 

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... Personally, I'm grateful to my parent's foresight, that I don't have to undergo that very painful procedure as an adult. ...

It's not even painful. I got cut a bit over a month ago and I did not have to swallow a single pain killer. It's more of a weird thing to have your tool all tightly wrapped up, it feel numb and you have to check all the time that it's there...
 

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It would be interesting to know where you "encounter" this. Do you mean guys who can't accept their own circumcised state, or yours? I think most of the men and women who post on LPSG about the negatives of circumcision are quite clear on the fact that they're happy for anyone who's happy being cut or who chooses to be cut as an adult for personal reasons.

I'm so over people saying "Stop hating on me! When you call yourself mutilated or say you hate your parents, you're really talking about me!!!" As if. No one can make you feel bad about being circumcised, only you can let it bother you. Otherwise, the result is that any criticism of circumcision gets taken personally, leading to demands to stop dissing circ. Which in turn disrespects the genuine anger and loss some people feel. It's theirs; leave it alone.
Gymfresh nails it here. I pop in and out, but I'm one of the more frequent posters on the subject, and I have absolutely no problem with someone looking at the procedure and deciding they want it for themselves, in the same way I don't care if they want a Prince Albert or a sex change.

I think that, if someone wanted to look at the negative feeling expressed by those unhappy with their circumcisions, they shouldn't take it as a personal attack. Pretty much all indications show that if you're circumcised as a child, you'll most likely grow to like it. If you do, I have no beef with you. But can you imagine what it's like if you don't?

If you don't like it, it's a fairly lonely experience. You feel that the most intimate part of your body was violated, but it's like that dirty secret that no one talks about. If you press the issue, insisting you were damaged, most people will deny it and say that instead you need psychological help. Even most doctors would probably tell you that the two states are equivalent, despite medical evidence to the contrary. On top of that, it was totally meaningless. Your parents didn't do it maliciously, the doctor thought it was the best thing to do, it didn't happen because of anything that you did, it just happened. I can tell you from experience, that just coming to grips with that fact can be a bit of an emotional journey for some people. It's like being the victim of a random act of violence; you didn't do anything wrong, just sometimes bad shit happens to good people.

I realize that those who enjoy being circumcised may feel that they're under attack, but no one is telling you how to feel. Please, continue to be happy. I'd only ask for the same treatment for everyone not fortunate enough to share your positive outlook. Just try to show a little empathy. At its core, those opposing RIC do so out of a deep abiding respect for how others feel, for everyone will react to the same situation in a manner unique to themselves. Remember that.
 
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earlobes were used as a sort of neutral third party. of course, when we talk of circumcision, we're talking about tens of thousands of densely-packed nerve endings, highly specialized cell structures, and an amount of skin that's at least half of the total penile shaft. it's definitely not just a flap of skin. :)
 

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earlobes were used as a sort of neutral third party. of course, when we talk of circumcision, we're talking about tens of thousands of densely-packed nerve endings, highly specialized cell structures, and an amount of skin that's at least half of the total penile shaft. it's definitely not just a flap of skin. :)
Please don't try to turn this into another circumcision debate thread. There are a great many threads already where they can read the science behind circumcision, but if people are happy, they're happy. This thread was started because people felt they were being attacked by those whose opinions varied from their own, and in a passive-aggressive way, you're doing just that. If someone is truly happy with being circumcised, they simply don't care about what science says they may or may not have had.

This is actually a good opportunity to open a dialogue and forge some understanding between both sides. Please don't blow it by trying to prove yourself right.
 

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Ok, I am sorry if I have offended you or anyone else for that matter, I am just trying to say its not really that big an issue is it? There is more things in life to worry about than this, surely?!!

I'm not offended, but I don't see why this has to be the "biggest issue in the world" to have a right or wrong answer. I mean, dude, you're posting on Large Penis Support Group...clearly you think there's more to life than curing cancer. Our brains can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Besides, if circumcision is a non-issue like you say, why waste the money and resources doing it to infants?

Lots of people prefer cut or uncut or I would imagine at least 90% of the population dont give a shit! As long as the person is a decent enough bloke then everyone's a winner yeah?!

I doubt it's 90%. I'm not sure what you're suggesting, anyway. As long as you don't ruin someone's humanity and decency, it's OK to do whatever you want to them? That's not really what you mean, is it?

Basically, I agree with JTalbain here 100%.
 

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As one who has been circumsized since birth..THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

In other words, you've never experienced the difference between cut and uncut, but yet you feel qualified to say there is no difference? Surely you must realize how absolutely absurd your statement is.
 

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Ok, if it's not such an issue, let's just stop RIC. We don't have to raise money,don't have to march on the Capitol, no petitions to sign.
Just stop and let men decide when they are indeed,men.

The female genital is dark, somewhat internal and moist. Yet we women manage to keep clean. We have our issues with health. Including uterine, ovarian and breast cancer.
We don't routinely remove those organs.

My concern is only with infants and infant circumcision. Not every male needs to be circumcised. Babies do not need to be circumcised, " just because".
Why not just stop the practice of RIC. Then each male can choose what's best for them. I can't imagine anyone objecting to "choice".

Who would really want RIC to continue and why?


Ok, I am sorry if I have offended you or anyone else for that matter, I am just trying to say its not really that big an issue is it? There is more things in life to worry about than this!
 

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I totally agree.. If it seemed out of line, my bad.. was just providing a little explanation. *shrug* I definitely didn't intend (nor do I think it seemed like) it was debate fodder. I really appreciate how this thread *hasn't* turned into one of those name-calling, insult-slinging, irrational, never-ending monstrosities like you mentioned.

And with that, a thanks to everyone who's posted so far. I'm new to forums, but in the face-to-face world, I've learned that people can come together best by respecting that each person's opinions and feelings are valid. If we speak from our own experiences, and listen to others in turn with a wholeheartedly open mind, we'll all have the opportunity to benefit from each other. :)

Please don't try to turn this into another circumcision debate thread. There are a great many threads already where they can read the science behind circumcision, but if people are happy, they're happy. This thread was started because people felt they were being attacked by those whose opinions varied from their own, and in a passive-aggressive way, you're doing just that. If someone is truly happy with being circumcised, they simply don't care about what science says they may or may not have had.

This is actually a good opportunity to open a dialogue and forge some understanding between both sides. Please don't blow it by trying to prove yourself right.
 

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Please stop with the violation of human rights claim. That type of circumcision is in places like Africa where they cut a woman's clit specifically to remove pleasure. It is different.

I am cut and have never felt robbed, mutilated, deadened of pleasure, less of a man or any thing. I never even knew there was a community of emotionally and physically damaged men due to foreskin circumcision until a couple years ago.
 

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An interesting topic -

I was also circumcised as an infant in the late 1959's. My current urologist told me that because of my long dick length, that when I'm flaccid or semi hard the loose skin covers my dick head as if I'm uncut, and I kinda like that aspect.

He also told me that the doctor had cut me with what they call a 'loose circumcision' as a baby. And that he rarely sees this type of cut anymore which is only done when the baby's penis is longer than the instrument used to secure the foreskin that covers the glans to the shaft, and then stretched onto the bell instrument for cutting... sounds scary!

Though even as a cute little baby, I was hung then and didn't even know it! - LOL!!! Ultimately, I get the best of both worlds of being cut, but having that uncut look. If you notice on my erect photos, you can see the dark brown circumcision scar. As far as having less sensitivity than an uncut man, I'll never know... but it all feels good to me once my head gets wet inside some good tight pussy!
 
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Please stop with the violation of human rights claim. That type of circumcision is in places like Africa where they cut a woman's clit specifically to remove pleasure. It is different.
You might be surprised to learn that FGM is defended under pretty much the same banners as circumcision. Most of the cut women defend it as well, saying that it is more hygenic and has improved their sex lives. It's important to remember that the reason FGM continues to this day is because the people doing it don't honestly feel they are robbing women of anything. It's fairly tempting to paint them all as evil, oppressive psychopaths, but as twisted as it sounds, they feel they're doing the right thing. Deep-seated cultural traditions often die a slow, painful death.

I am cut and have never felt robbed, mutilated, deadened of pleasure, less of a man or any thing. I never even knew there was a community of emotionally and physically damaged men due to foreskin circumcision until a couple years ago.
I don't hold it against you. I actually kind of envy you to a certain extent. I've avoided getting into physical relationships in the past because I was really insecure about being circumcised, then I told myself I'd just wait until I was finished restoring. But there are times when I wonder how persistent my personal demons will be, and if insecurities will remain when I finish.

As is, I'm pushing 30, and I've never been in a serious relationship, just a couple flings I always felt bad about later. Didn't help matters for me that whenever things did turn sexual, I had physical sensitivity issues (basically meaning they couldn't bring me to orgasm) which just reinforced the feelings I had on the subject. I'd like to be able to have my foreskin back, but failing that I think I could settle for just being able to live my life and not worry about it. It's just not that easy for some of us.
 

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Please stop with the violation of human rights claim...
I never even knew there was a community of emotionally and physically damaged men due to foreskin circumcision until a couple years ago.

Surely, by saying that you now know that such a community exists, the first part of your statement rings untrue (at least for those men)...?
 

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Please stop with the violation of human rights claim. That type of circumcision is in places like Africa where they cut a woman's clit specifically to remove pleasure. It is different. .

Are you saying that it is ok to surgically modify the sexual organs of a girl or woman, so long as it is done in a hospital in USA, and the intent is not to reduce sexual pleasure?
 

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Please stop with the violation of human rights claim. That type of circumcision is in places like Africa where they cut a woman's clit specifically to remove pleasure. It is different.

I am cut and have never felt robbed, mutilated, deadened of pleasure, less of a man or any thing. I never even knew there was a community of emotionally and physically damaged men due to foreskin circumcision until a couple years ago.

If you can explain to me why having a functional part of your body removed without consent isn't an abuse of human rights, I'll stop. I mean, you seem to be suggesting that because you expect most people to be happy without a foreskin, it's not an issue of human rights. Which doesn't make sense to me.
 

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Just saw this on Yahoo news...

SD man's lawsuit says circumcision 'robbed' him
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SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — A South Dakota prison inmate is suing the hospital where he was circumcised as a newborn, saying he only recently became aware that he'd undergone the procedure and that it robbed him of his sexual prowess.

Dean Cochrun, 28, is asking for $1,000 in compensatory and punitive damages. He also asks in the lawsuit that his foreskin be restored "in the hopes I could feel whole again," though he acknowledged that he didn't expect such a restoration to be anything more than aesthetic.

Cochrun, who is imprisoned in Sioux Falls on a kidnapping conviction, filed the federal lawsuit Friday against Sanford Hospital. Cochrun claims that an "unknown doctor" at the then-named Sioux Valley Hospital misled his mother to believe that the procedure was medically necessary. Cochrun argues that the procedure was unnecessary, unethical and without medical benefit.

"I was recently made aware of the fact that I had been (circumcised) and that ... I was robbed of sensitivity during sexual intercourse as well as the sense of security and well-being I am entitled to in my person," he argued in the lawsuit, adding that neither he nor his partners would "have that sensitivity during sexual intercourse and have a normal sex life."

Cochrun isn't represented by a lawyer in the lawsuit, which includes a letter from Sanford officials responding to a letter requesting that his foreskin be replaced. Patient relations representative DyAnn Smith replied that Sanford would not pay for the procedure.

"There will be no further correspondence about this matter," she wrote.