temptotalk
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Well such is the fallacy behind the notion of not having to address minority interests, though as I recall, Tripod called it "pandering" (yet another revelation about him, I think).
It isn't "PANDERING" to recognize the interests and concerns of the PEOPLE who you are asking to vote for YOU.
Instead, it is laying out a platform comprehensive enough to incorporate all of your desired base of support. Sanders did so sufficiently enough for me (after BLM literally got in his face about it), but I'm pleased that he did because it'd be FOOLISH for anyone to take the minority vote for granted and ASSUME who they'll (we'll) vote for.
For one, it's already been shown (in various polls) that Trump, in spite of all his hateful, despicable diatribe, will probably get a greater percentage of the black vote than ANY of his party rivals, besides which Trump is no REAL Republican ANYWAY. He's just an egotistical blowhard snake-oil salesman saying whatever he needs to say and having the time of his life watching all the buffoons eat it UP. Hell, he hasn't voted in a GOP primary in eight years, I think I recall reading somewhere??
So to assume one doesn't have to address (excuse me... "pander to") minority interests would, IMHO, be a miscalculation. They may not go out to vote the GOP. But they may not go out to vote at ALL. And we've SEEN the results of that in the last two congressional elections.
Actually Elizabeth Warren would've been my first choice for president, above Sanders or Clinton. She chose not to run. Many of Bernie's ideas are good, and I agree with much of what he's had to say. I've said that time and time again.
I've also said, time and time again that who I'll end up voting for (specifically, Clinton OR Sanders, for a****oles who'd think otherwise) will depend on who I think will do best against any GOP rival. And my decision on that is still and WILL be in flux, based upon what has yet to transpire, and probably right up to my pulling that lever.
My ONLY concern about Sanders is whether his vision is too extreme for voters in a general election. Like Sargon observed, a DAMNED good idea is still worthless, if you can't win. As to whether or not I think he can... again, "the jury is still out."
Yeah i like warren too but i think she knew better than to throw her hat in this race. I think she knew the chances of the american public understanding and running with the type of run she'd want. Personally i don't think his vision is too extreme. Thats me though. America is a whole different ballgame. People are already mimicking the handouts mantra and zeroing in on bernie's own words. Couple that with the decades upon decades of american pie bullshit that finds it's way across the globe and you have a serious serious problem for bernie.
Even if he doesn't win his ideas will still be good. It's just the question of who would pick them up. Every time a democrat comes up with a good idea but has either serious or mild trouble with follow through america just chucks the fuck out of it as if it's the worse thing to ever ever.
And yeah that whole pandering thing is simple to isolate bernie sanders and others. To divide an what not. (Shrugs) it works. And has worked on democrats for years now. Then again you know that. Cause if bernie or clinton talks to the african american community it's pandering but if trump or cruz....... Yeah same shit different day.
At this point though. I think i've lost all faith in the democratic party winning this one. Neither clinton nor bernie will win. Maybe i've reached a certain pinnacle of cynicalness...i don't know but it doesn't seem to me that democrats are even paying attention to the battleground republicans have created for them. Which is a very very bad sign. Ok i think i'mjust rambling now. lol