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I have to chuckle at the "likes" that one received.

I can UNDERSTAND jz "liking" it, who quite obviously NEVER got over a black presidency, engages in snide remarks re. double wide trailers, and thinks having a black name might get him that promotion he (apparently) otherwise hasn't gotten.

After all, the signs as to why they need "make America great again" are all around: seeing as how all hell has broken loose with a black guy starring in a recent Star Wars, and T.V.'s Supergirl having the hots for Jimmy Olsen, who's black ?? wtf????

("I'm melting, I'm melting!" What a world what a woooooorllllld!")


OR, maybe I'm being a little facetious, eh?????

Curious though, that tripod and boobs would give your little "pooh pooh" the nod. Or could it be they've already rationalized in their minds why they'll stay HOME this election and let Trump TAKE OVER.

Just speculation, mind you.

But inasmuch as you (in your above dismissal) have already acknowledged the existence of a certain degree of fascism, as well as the capability of it being "nudged" in any direction, perhaps I need only remind you (though I have difficulty fathoming WHY anyone would NEED reminders) of the fact that, MORE SO than Clinton, Trump is running on a platform based upon rhetoric that is both hateful and divisive, has embraced an ideology that is MORE inline with that of the GOP, the Tea Party, and the far right, and UNLIKE Clinton, will have a GOP majority Congress, comprised of members in fear of losing THEIR seats, who will be all TOO willing to rubber stamp MUCH of it, not to mention having HIS choice of the next member of the Supreme Court.


So if you (and 'yours") think, for one moment, that there'd really be LITTLE difference between a Trump or Clinton presidency, then YOU have lost ALREADY.

Perhaps its a matter of perspective.

If you are a middle class, white woman, yes, there is a huge difference. If you are poor and black/brown, there is very little difference. Why don't you ask a Rwandan what the difference is? Or maybe a Burmese? Or a Syrian? Indiscriminate deaths of black and brown civilians around the world to pursue American foreign policy is part and parcel for any president, blue or red.

Remember Eisenhower's speach about the military-industrial complex? That's an apolitical beast that no president has any control over. And that beast is constantly hungry.
 
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I don't know if that's the case. His revolution might succeed.

Color me skeptical. As long as politicians are able to exploit our differences for political gain any "revolution" will be temporary and illusionary. The human brain needs about 200000 more years of evolution to move away from tribalism. And by them I'm certain we will have tanked the planet. Tribalism is a big reason we are where we are with the US middle class gutted.

Austria’s right-wing populism reflects anti-Muslim platform of Donald Trump
http://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2016/04/29/germanys-right-wing-afd-to-adopt-anti-islamic-manifesto

I haven't used the "ignore" function in YEARS until last night (when I FINALLY had my fill of a particular poster's s*********)

But now I'm coming to realize, could it BE?? that, (unlike the older version of "ignore") the quoted material is ALSO invisible?

Indeed it is. Great right?
 

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Color me skeptical. As long as politicians are able to exploit our differences for political gain any "revolution" will be temporary and illusionary. The human brain needs about 200000 more years of evolution to move away from tribalism. And by them I'm certain we will have tanked the planet. Tribalism is a big reason we are where we are with the US middle class gutted.

Austria’s right-wing populism reflects anti-Muslim platform of Donald Trump
http://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2016/04/29/germanys-right-wing-afd-to-adopt-anti-islamic-manifesto

Indeed it is. Great right?




Well said.

If we glean anything from this 2016 Presidential election cycle, it's that the general public are getting an 8th grade civics class exposure to the inner workings of Democrat and Republican election machines. And what have we learned children? For one that John Q. Public isn't happy with rigged voice votes in Las Vegas and isn't buying the party line that super-duper delegates were created for the betterment of all after Humpty Dumpty lost way back in 1968 to Richard M. Nixon. Yes "I'm not a crook" Nixon, a campaign manager's nightmare on-stage and until Hillary the ultimate definition of zero likability and charisma.
 

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Well said.

If we glean anything from this 2016 Presidential election cycle, it's that the general public are getting an 8th grade civics class exposure to the inner workings of Democrat and Republican election machines. And what have we learned children? For one that John Q. Public isn't happy with rigged voice votes in Las Vegas and isn't buying the party line that super-duper delegates were created for the betterment of all after Humpty Dumpty lost way back in 1968 to Richard M. Nixon. Yes "I'm not a crook" Nixon, a campaign manager's nightmare on-stage and until Hillary the ultimate definition of zero likability and charisma.

Humpty Dumpty?
 

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Well said.

If we glean anything from this 2016 Presidential election cycle, it's that the general public are getting an 8th grade civics class exposure to the inner workings of Democrat and Republican election machines. And what have we learned children? For one that John Q. Public isn't happy with rigged voice votes in Las Vegas and isn't buying the party line that super-duper delegates were created for the betterment of all after Humpty Dumpty lost way back in 1968 to Richard M. Nixon. Yes "I'm not a crook" Nixon, a campaign manager's nightmare on-stage and until Hillary the ultimate definition of zero likability and charisma.

Super delegates had nothing to do with 1968 election loss. They came after 1972 McGovern debacle. However, you inadvertently proved your own point about the failures of education system.
 

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What are you talking about? Only the republicans have a closed primary ballot in CA
Dems allow crossover voting, I just voted for Bernie and I'm not a democrat.
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The Democratic and American Independent parties notified the Secretary of State that they will allow voters who did not state a political party preference to vote the presidential ballot of their parties in the upcoming June 7, 2016,..aka "modified closed primaries"
 

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Lol..seems to me, no matter what happens you will be right again, and that's all that matters, I guess, hunh?

Have no clue what you're implying but what i said was a guess. Based on what i've seen so far of all the candidates. This is by far the first election season where i personally don't think any of the candidates have what it takes to help america out of the many different holes it's in. For various reasons.

Color me skeptical. As long as politicians are able to exploit our differences for political gain any "revolution" will be temporary and illusionary. The human brain needs about 200000 more years of evolution to move away from tribalism. And by them I'm certain we will have tanked the planet. Tribalism is a big reason we are where we are with the US middle class gutted.

Austria’s right-wing populism reflects anti-Muslim platform of Donald Trump
http://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2016/04/29/germanys-right-wing-afd-to-adopt-anti-islamic-manifesto



Indeed it is. Great right?

I agree, 200000 years from now we will have. And we'd have taken a large chunk of the population with us. Temporary? Illusionary? I don't know about that. You can't even begin to have a revolution ("good" or "bad") without tribalism or some form of it. Not only is it embedded in us from birth (parental attachment) but it's taught to us (hierarchies, family dynamics, societal ideals). All of us do it to a certain extent. Adapting it as we live. So i highly doubt there will ever be an end to it. The only thing we humans can do is work with it. Understanding the intricate parts of it better and trying not to let it cloud our judgment.

And yeah it isn't just politicians who have the power to exploit our differences. You've seen fox news. Read articles. We all have the ability to exploit each other in so many different ways that pointing those ways out seems like exploitation itself. I do agree though that that's why the middle class is gutted. You didn't fully go into it but i'm thinking it's the middle classes own forms of tribalism that caused it. Largely speaking. The housing bubble wasn't created out of thin air. It took years for that massive of a bubble to be created. And almost every part had to do with some sort of classicism/tribalism. People using exclusionary tactics to keep their "tribe" pure while allowing the inner workings to be hidden from everyone else.

Which is kind of comical because each new generation ends up repeating history in one way shape, form or another. Then again, i have typed enough haven't i. :p
 
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Which is kind of comical because each new generation ends up repeating history in one way shape, form or another. Then again, i have typed enough haven't i. :p

Many science fiction shows have explored the possibility of humanity evolving to such a degree that each generation posses all the knowledge of the prior generation with a collective/hive mind. What one knows they all know forever. If that kind of link could ever happen it would be a quantum leap forward. Of course they fear is before humanity makes it there artificial intelligence will beat us to it and then turn on humanity as being no more than an amoeba on the evolutionary scale.
 

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Super delegates had nothing to do with 1968 election loss. They came after 1972 McGovern debacle. However, you inadvertently proved your own point about the failures of education system.


I'll have you know I'm proud of my Orange County California public school ignorance.

A majority of our tests in history class were multiple guess: A) In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue B) in 1493 Columbus sailed the deep blue sea. If your peripheral vision was good enough, you could see which answer the myopic MENSA kid adjacent to you put on his answer sheet.
 
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Many science fiction shows have explored the possibility of humanity evolving to such a degree that each generation posses all the knowledge of the prior generation with a collective/hive mind. What one knows they all know forever. If that kind of link could ever happen it would be a quantum leap forward. Of course they fear is before humanity makes it there artificial intelligence will beat us to it and then turn on humanity as being no more than an amoeba on the evolutionary scale.

Had to think about this one for a bit. And thats because i don't think scenario would be a good idea at all. Knowledge is a very wide ranging thing. It isn't just baseball stats, literary styles and dimensions of things. Knowledge in general is anything that can be understood. And sharing all of that across all of humanity doesn't seem to me a good idea. Mainly because it doesn't take into account the nature vs nurture debate and the resulting behaviors based off of that shared knowledge. Knowledge to one person wouldn't necessarily mean knowledge for another. I mean of course, there's still the element of choice there but there is also people's personal preferences and instincts. All of which would still modify whatever knowledge comes across them.

Kind of leaning more towards it not being possible. We have a sort of a collective/hive mind now in the form of the internet. And i'm not about to completely trust wiki. :p
 

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Perhaps its a matter of perspective.

If you are a middle class, white woman, yes, there is a huge difference. If you are poor and black/brown, there is very little difference. Why don't you ask a Rwandan what the difference is? Or maybe a Burmese? Or a Syrian? Indiscriminate deaths of black and brown civilians around the world to pursue American foreign policy is part and parcel for any president, blue or red.

Remember Eisenhower's speach about the military-industrial complex? That's an apolitical beast that no president has any control over. And that beast is constantly hungry.

Perhaps from your (more global) perspective (that of a foreigner) and considering the relative consistency of American foreign policy, perhaps not AS much of a difference as with domestic policy.

However the fact STILL remains that the veto pen (or the threat of one) and a handful of Democrats have been (and WOULD be) the ONLY thing standing between what the GOP has tried to undermine, undo, or slip into law over the last eight years.

Now maybe you don't want to see that or acknowledge it... I don't know. You've expressed your opinion on the subject, as have I, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.


Indeed it is. Great right?

Better than ever. :cool:
 
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Had to think about this one for a bit. And thats because i don't think scenario would be a good idea at all. Knowledge is a very wide ranging thing. It isn't just baseball stats, literary styles and dimensions of things. Knowledge in general is anything that can be understood. And sharing all of that across all of humanity doesn't seem to me a good idea. Mainly because it doesn't take into account the nature vs nurture debate and the resulting behaviors based off of that shared knowledge. Knowledge to one person wouldn't necessarily mean knowledge for another. I mean of course, there's still the element of choice there but there is also people's personal preferences and instincts. All of which would still modify whatever knowledge comes across them.

Kind of leaning more towards it not being possible. We have a sort of a collective/hive mind now in the form of the internet. And i'm not about to completely trust wiki. :p

Think this:

IBM's Watson Supercomputer Destroys Humans in Jeopardy

Think of all the wars and why people went to war, of all the civilizations that have vanished, for all the same reasons. Could we in fact not repeat the mistakes over and over. Of the lessons that have to be learned for each generation over and over again. Each lesson would be a new lesson in this world, one never taught to any previous human. And that lesson would be instantly available to all humans everywhere and there would be no disagreement or argument on what was learned. The sharing you mention would be shared among all. Continuous improvement. Relentless pursuit of perfection a la The Borg.

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Think this:

IBM's Watson Supercomputer Destroys Humans in Jeopardy

Think of all the wars and why people went to war, of all the civilizations that have vanished, for all the same reasons. Could we in fact not repeat the mistakes over and over. Of the lessons that have to be learned for each generation over and over again. Each lesson would be a new lesson in this world, one never taught to any previous human. And that lesson would be instantly available to all humans everywhere and there would be no disagreement or argument on what was learned. The sharing you mention would be shared among all. Continuous improvement. Relentless pursuit of perfection a la The Borg.

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So, who programs this computer where it places a $ value on answers? I don't get it. Is a super computer needed to decipher human history, or is it because society has become convinced and dependent on the thinking computers can now predict human destiny?

Wow, is this science, or human stupidity? Sounds all a little biblical to me :) To believe a game show, programmed by humans which supposes to predict human behaviour is more along lines of making more $'s to me.

Whatever happened to Family Feud where they turned over the answers printed on the board, yet now can or maybe digitally be changed at the blink of an eye to suit audience popularity (don't tell me you have not thought this ;)). We no longer believe 50% of what we read, we believe everything shown and edited on a game show? Wow, and double wow.
 
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So, who programs this computer where it places a $ value on answers? I don't get it. Is a super computer needed to decipher human history, or is it because society has become convinced and dependent on the thinking computers can now predict human destiny?

Wow, is this science, or human stupidity? Sounds all a little biblical to me :) To believe a game show, programmed by humans which supposes to predict human behaviour is more along lines of making more $'s to me.

Whatever happened to Family Feud where they turned over the answers printed on the board, yet now can or maybe digitally be changed at the blink of an eye to suit audience popularity (don't tell me you have not thought this ;)). We no longer believe 50% of what we read, we believe everything shown and edited on a game show? Wow, and double wow.

IBM's Watson is much more....


Now imagine a day if you could merge this software/hardware with organic tissue (e.g. the human brain). Imagine how powerful each human could be? All humanity's successes and failures immediately available in nanoseconds. The possibilities are endless. Just Google IBM Watson. Every area of research of knowledge could be transformed.
 
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IBM's Watson is much more....


Now imagine a day if you could merge this software/hardware with organic tissue (e.g. the human brain). Imagine how powerful each human could be? All humanity's successes and failures immediately available in nanoseconds. The possibilities are endless. Just Google IBM Watson. Every area of research of knowledge could be transformed.

Sarg, I have a very well intact imagination, believe me:) Yet I see faults in a show that hold a $ value to answers given. I imagine a lot more than you may think, I spend a good deal of my day solving problems to make things work, to fit together to imagine the end product.

My son majored in artificial intelligence after his science and tech degree in the late eighties, early ninties. I probably had some sort of understanding of Amiga and Commodore computers before you knew how to use a phone, maybe not :). I just lost interest, cause back then it was basically, mostly games oriented and word processing.

I will always question a $ sign in anything. Yes, the possibilities are truly endless, hence when I said never believe all of what is placed in front of you. :), it never stops me from exploring my imagination though.

Guys like HG Wells predicted nuclear winter in the late 1800's, and wrote books. He also wrote war Of the Worlds. Fritz Lang is more on the money these days.


Who needs a computer when it's already been written?

Imagine outside of the box sarg.
 
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Sarg, I have a very well intact imagination, believe me:) Yet I see faults in a show that hold a $ value to answers given. I imagine a lot more than you may think, I spend a good deal of my day solving problems to make things work, to fit together to imagine the end product.

My son majored in artificial intelligence after his science and tech degree in the late eighties, early ninties. I probably had some sort of understanding of Amiga and Commodore computers before you knew how to use a phone, maybe not :). I just lost interest, cause back then it was basically, mostly games oriented and word processing.

I will always question a $ sign in anything. Yes, the possibilities are truly endless, hence when I said never believe all of what is placed in front of you. :), it never stops me from exploring my imagination though.

Guys like HG Wells predicted nuclear winter in the late 1800's, and wrote books.

The show is just a game show that IBM used to showcase Watson that is 100% human save for this demonstration. I would not read a lot into it.

I do however look forward to the limitless possibilities. Whatever path it takes us it is a path we are destined to take was we seek new and inventive ways to expand the limits of our physical bodies.

And yeah I know all about the Commodore and the rage over the first IBM PC.
 
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The show is just a game show that IBM used to showcase Watson that is 100% human save for this demonstration. I would not read a lot into it.

I do however look forward to the limitless possibilities. Whatever path it takes us it is a path we are destined to take was we seek new and inventive ways to expand the limits of our physical bodies.

And yeah I know all about the Commodore and the rage over the first IBM PC.
You know about it, I lived through it. Yes I am amazed at the information age. I remember a lecturer saying it will change the world, online selling will become the thing. Yet, what I have found is the plethora of misinformation which confounds us. This was never predicted, this has become a governments best friend, and nightmare at the same time, as it is for us all.

It is why many spend wasted hours in front of a screen, sifting through so much waffle it drives many insane and on the verge of keyboard or computer abuse :). Me, I look at the pc, or whatever as a part, not all of my senses. I enjoy it as entertainment, now and then I search for practical stuff, lots of time for porn.

What I am saying is the world has lost much of it's creativity focusing on sifting through twaddle. How often have you thought you could be creating, instead of sitting there reading twaddle from those like myself :).

Google feeds upon those who can create sarg, it's why I will never straight out search ideas or info. I use the information web, I will never trust it.
 

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Think this:

IBM's Watson Supercomputer Destroys Humans in Jeopardy

Think of all the wars and why people went to war, of all the civilizations that have vanished, for all the same reasons. Could we in fact not repeat the mistakes over and over. Of the lessons that have to be learned for each generation over and over again. Each lesson would be a new lesson in this world, one never taught to any previous human. And that lesson would be instantly available to all humans everywhere and there would be no disagreement or argument on what was learned. The sharing you mention would be shared among all. Continuous improvement. Relentless pursuit of perfection a la The Borg.

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It's a very comforting thought and i would love to think that it's possible but look at how humanity treats the earth. We have the ability to stop continuously fucking it over yet humanity still pollutes at an alarming rate. The worst part is all of this waste and excess is inherently unnecessary. We've had the knowledge. We could repair it. Yet most of us would rather deny, ignore or use it to our own small petty advantages. And that hasn't come anywhere near talking about greed and financial fuckery. Which has the effect of turning other human beings into constant waste makers not only by default but by necessity. Sure, poor people can afford to recycle but what about transportation of that recycled material? Who would pay for that? It's a hard enough time to get people to pay for the things surrounding them now let alone adding another cost that has already been deemed by some as bullshit science.

Humanity is intrinsically flawed. Meaning we will take those flaws into any other form of being. Including shared thought and technology. Take microsoft's chatbot for instance, it became an insane almost instantaneous racist not because of technology but because of human beings. No matter which way you call you the fault there still lands on humanity's shoulders. By way of flawed programing or it learning from flawed human beings on twitter. Both of those groups of human beings were exposed countless times to information/knowledge of not only history but the laws of our time and the bot still ended up "we're going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay for it" on everybody.

I don't know. To me war and peace are two sides of the same coin that is humanity. Every last thing you humanity creates is very quickly used for both war and peace respectfully. The study of the mind, technology, emotions, medicine you name it and humanity has used it as a weapon. Which leads me to believe that the same would happen with shared thoughts and information. The debate for/against individuality aside i'm pretty sure that someone would be able to influence universally share information in the way you expressed just like people are able to influence the internet, media outlets and social groups.

So err yeah i highly doubt humanity even could fully learn from or stop having to learn from it's continuous mistakes. I mean, have you ever told anyone a story and told them to tell others? How long would it take before that story became unrecognizable from it's earlier state? Imagine chaos theory with a human direction filtered through a system of social interactions. Even if by some stretch of the imagination it does start out as pure unadulterated information/knowledge it sure as hell wouldn't stay that way. Unless of course there were some sort of regulation in place to keep cow paddies from gumming up the works. And when that happens you no longer have universally shared information/knowledge. At that point you'd have yet another variation on what we currently have. Some human beings would be forced to take the roles of judges. Proceeding over that information/knowledge. And well...power corrupts right. So it would just be a matter of time before humanity had to re-learn the same lessons..again. This time those lessons would be inflicted directly to the brain.

I'm sure i'm typing a lot here but ah well thats what the internet is for right. Anyway, we haven't even really gone into the amount of information/knowledge there would be/is to know or to be shared. My first thought would be that we'd have to modify our brains to even come close to being able to hold that much data. And then theres the problems of understanding, retrieval and expression. Meaning before humanity could even begin to think about sharing information/knowledge in any grand way there would first have to be one hell of a universal and global healthcare plan for all human beings. We would have to "fix" all human beings first. Meaning anyone with memory issues, cognitive issues, mental health issues and etc. Autism, adhd, add and etc. And we already know how difficult that has been (i'm of course looking at america).

Which now that i think about it could be another point. There are people out there arguing against all sorts of things that would help them in both the long and short run. Once again, they have the same ability to gain the same information as everyone else yet they still argue against their own best interests. Some of them aren't up on the lastest whats but some of them are contrarians plan and simple. Which would undoubtly be another factor in the shared information/knowledge age. People would disagree with it and possibly fight against it...just because. Many may get weeded out if the age goes the elysium route but we've seen throughout history that doesn't always salt the earth. Which would mean, to keep the shared system in place genetics would also have to be a large factor.

Hmm so i'm thinking the borg is a good example. Kind of fits. Of course though, even the borg had to go to war. And that was pretty much constantly. To sum up the bible i wrote....

1. The planet is dying so how could/would we be able to allocate resources and brain power to this when we can't/won't fix the very thing we live on. Cause humanity is totally shitting where it eats at.

2. We human beings have such an influence on everything we do that computers are an almost direct mirror to us. Spelling certain chaotic doom for shared anything and artificial intelligence.

3. Everything we make...we break. And everything we break someone revives and calls it retro. Birth. Death. Humanity can't not press the button. And/or not build a new one.

4. Chaos theory turned to 11,000,000,000.00.

5. Humanity is just now thinking about universal/global healthcare. After we've made it to the moon no less. And i forgot my glasses the other day. They were of course on my head.

6. People exist out there who are against not trashing the planet. Can you imagine having to share part of your brain with those kinds of people? *Shivers*