Bernie

[Boobalaa]

He may have been known in the halls of Congress but to your average American he was almost unheard of. He now has the platform so he should use it.

He has, is and will.. Depends on ones favorite flavor of infotainment, I guess as well as ones access to information, and their cognitive abilities

 

[tripod]

Jaap, the more I thought about it, you are probably right... the DNC does operate like a mafia and they would have sandbagged Bernie from behind if he got the nomination. It's the sort of evil and asshole thing that the liberal left does. Sort of like how Turkey shot down Russia's bomber and Obama was 100% fine with that... the liberals are as morally corrupt as the conservatives.

The reality is that the DNC is just as evil as the GOP as an organization. I shouldn't put the DNC on a pedestal.

None of this speaks negatively about Bernie Sanders though... it's speaks of the DNC and their asshat ways.

I dont even think the "Victory Fund" would even need to be there for the liberal, conservatives and centrist Dems to stab Bernie in the back if he won the nomination. It's a crooked party and Bernie was attempting to clean it up.

The reality is that it is just too dirty to be cleaned. That's why I have left the party. Fuck the DNC, they can go to hell.

Any vote the DNC gets from me from now on will be a vote against the Republicans... the Democrats have shown their true authoritarian colors. It IS like a mafia and you are probably right, although your spite towards Bernie Sanders (who is a REALLY GOOD candidate) seems misplaced and overbearing.

 

[Boobalaa]

The RNC, DNC & The Commission of Presidential Debates is a cabal

 

[Crimsonlurker]

If you had six surviving humans in close proximity to one another, the female of the species able to conceive, the male able to produce fertile semen and compatible. You would need one hell of a lot more than a handful for a species to survive. Do you know how much work goes into preserving an endangered species from the brink of extinction, even with thousands still surviving and the help of modern science?

Mammals were just lucky enough to survive the last extinction. Next time, with overuse of antibiotics weakening human immune system, we might not be so lucky.

Fair enough. My mistake.

 

[b.c.]

I referred to you only due to your propensity for berating those who disagree with you with words in all caps and throwing insults at people.

Trust me, my take is not blase. I don't know how many times people in the rest of the world have to remind Americans that when the American economy sneezes, our economies catch the flu. At the same time, you don't know what's best for me or Indonesia - and most Americans couldn't even find it on a map despite it being one of the top 5 most populous countries in the world. The obsessiveness with which you push your political viewpoints is just as oppressive coming from the left as it is from the right. But it's equally obvious that many here are unable to engage in discussions with those who have contrasting viewpoints without descending into petulance.

Listen, Stam, whether or not you choose to characterize my replies as beratement, insult, or petulance, they have been NO more so than YOUR responses have been to me. And my typeface is in bold, NOT all of it in "all caps." There is a difference.

It is YOU who chose to describe my observations regarding a Trump presidency, observations that have been consistent with any number of observations from those in the business of political analyst, as "Chicken little sky will fall and world will end outburst."

If the VALID concerns about the ramifications of a Trump presidency, in YOUR view, amounts to "oppression resulting from the obsessive pushing of a political viewpoint" then that's YOUR opinion.

DO try to bear with MY "contrasting viewpoint" (if you will) "without descending into petulance."

 

[b.c.]

[correction above 2nd paragraph: "...in the business of political analysis..."]

The word is that tRump backed out of debating Bernie. No surprise there. It would have been fun though watching Bernie debate a buffoon.

Trump backed out because in a moment of clarity - one NOT infused with his usual pompous-assed, ego inflated, BUFFOONERY, he came to the sudden realization that Bernie would've mopped up the floor with him.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Trump backed out because in a moment of clarity - one NOT infused with his usual pompous-assed, ego inflated, BUFFOONERY, he came to the sudden realization that Bernie would've mopped up the floor with him.

I wonder how he'll try to spin this(doesn't matter though because his brain dead followers believe anything)

 

[b.c.]

I wonder how he'll try to spin this(doesn't matter though because his brain dead followers believe anything)

No it doesn't. This guy has proven he can say (DO) anything and they'll love it yet WE'RE the ones being unrealistically "alarmists" about it.

Trump knows ANY bullshit distraction will do for his followers: yell out "Pocahontas" and strike a pose, hand palm down above the brow... and "How 'bout 'crooked Hillary'?" We'll build a wall and ban Muslims!! Tax records? What tax records??

Trump tells us all how he's going to MAKE China, Mexico, and other countries do his bidding. No problemo! .... it's Hillary who'll start WWIII.

... couldn't MAKE this kind of s***** up.

 

[185248]

Fair enough. My mistake.

It might have been a mistake we made it and the Dinos didn't We did not seem to be happy with the outcome of the universe deciding that one for us, so we continue to try to get rid of ourselves one way or another

 

[jaap_stam]

Listen, Stam, whether or not you choose to characterize my replies as beratement, insult, or petulance, they have been NO more so than YOUR responses have been to me. And my typeface is in bold, NOT all of it in "all caps." There is a difference.

It is YOU who chose to describe my observations regarding a Trump presidency, observations that have been consistent with any number of observations from those in the business of political analyst, as "Chicken little sky will fall and world will end outburst."

If the VALID concerns about the ramifications of a Trump presidency, in YOUR view, amounts to "oppression resulting from the obsessive pushing of a political viewpoint" then that's YOUR opinion.

DO try to bear with MY "contrasting viewpoint" (if you will) "without descending into petulance."

I don't doubt the validity of your feelings about Trump. I often find your take to be overdramatic, but I find it uneccessary and unpersuasive to resort to name calling or ad hominem insults when faced with opposing views.

 

[jaap_stam]

Jaap, the more I thought about it, you are probably right... the DNC does operate like a mafia and they would have sandbagged Bernie from behind if he got the nomination. It's the sort of evil and asshole thing that the liberal left does. Sort of like how Turkey shot down Russia's bomber and Obama was 100% fine with that... the liberals are as morally corrupt as the conservatives.

The reality is that the DNC is just as evil as the GOP as an organization. I shouldn't put the DNC on a pedestal.

None of this speaks negatively about Bernie Sanders though... it's speaks of the DNC and their asshat ways.

I dont even think the "Victory Fund" would even need to be there for the liberal, conservatives and centrist Dems to stab Bernie in the back if he won the nomination. It's a crooked party and Bernie was attempting to clean it up.

The reality is that it is just too dirty to be cleaned. That's why I have left the party. Fuck the DNC, they can go to hell.

Any vote the DNC gets from me from now on will be a vote against the Republicans... the Democrats have shown their true authoritarian colors. It IS like a mafia and you are probably right, although your spite towards Bernie Sanders (who is a REALLY GOOD candidate) seems misplaced and overbearing.

If I sound spiteful towards Sanders, that's just a product of growing up in Holland, where people are uber critical when analyzing things, even things they like. My criticism of him is not a way of trying to elevate some other contrasting candidate. I agree he is the least terrible candidate - between Trump's lightweight cartoon version of southern strategy and Hillary's actual proto-fascist political machine, there isn't much upside. That being said, there are much more powerful forces that affect our daily lives than who is president, such as who is your mayor or city government. If Sanders is genuine about a revolution, and this isn't an ego-driven candidacy, he will use a good portion of his funds raised to create a template for his followers to use to take over their city halls and create the foundation of a sustainable party at the local level.

 

[b.c.]

I don't doubt the validity of your feelings about Trump. I often find your take to be overdramatic, but I find it uneccessary and unpersuasive to resort to name calling or ad hominem insults when faced with opposing views.

As I STATED, my responses to you have been in equal response and in like manner as yours have been to mine. How does rebutting YOUR characterizations of me amount to "name calling?" NOW you "don't doubt the validity of my feelings" ?? but consider my words (presumably reflections on whether America becomes a fascist state under Trump) to be "overly dramatic"?

In other words YOU have the right to question MY motives, MY words, or the legitimacy of MY views, but I don't have the right to question YOURS??

Riiiiiiight.

Look, I didn't want to post all of this in the Bernie thread (and frankly, I've long since grown tired of going around and around with with YOU)

but seeing as how YOU've characterized my words re. the possibility of America becoming a fascist state as (quote) "overly dramatic" "Chicken little sky will fall and world will end outburst" (which, I presume, coming from you AREN'T "name calling ad hominem insults") allow me to reference just a FEW more musings of the "overly dramatic":

Can Fascism Triumph in America?
Preventing the 2016 Slide Into Fascism - Falls Church News-Press Online
Donald Trump and the death of democracies - Chicago Tribune
This is how fascism comes to America - The Washington Post
Is Donald Trump a fascist? - CNN.com
The Rise of Trump: Fascism 101 | JamieUMBC
Donald Trump is a fascist: It is the political label that best describes the GOP front-runner.
Today's Trump Apocalypse Watch: Trump University Was a Bad University
Donald Trump is a modern day George Wallace: The Republican front-runner is reviving the Southern politician’s ugly and hateful politics.
Trump Presidency Is a Global Threat, Economist Intelligence Unit Warns - NBC News
Donald Trump and white nationalism: Does the candidate’s rise represent the ascendency of a resentful white wing of the American right?

 

[Crimsonlurker]

It might have been a mistake we made it and the Dinos didn't We did not seem to be happy with the outcome of the universe deciding that one for us, so we continue to try to get rid of ourselves one way or another

Oh i agree, we human beings really are trying desperately to take ourselves out. Abuse of anti-biotics and the refusal to take shots being a complicated mix of those attempts. Then again maybe thats more a factor of like situational awareness effecting psychology. Us knowing subconsciously how wrong the world generally is an waiting to end it by a thousand cuts. Then again, nothing would explain that theory more than politics.

 

[ActionBuddy]

Trump backed out because in a moment of clarity - one NOT infused with his usual pompous-assed, ego inflated, BUFFOONERY, he came to the sudden realization that Bernie would've mopped up the floor with him.

I would love to see anyone mop up Trump with his own horrifying toupee.

A/B

 

[185248]

Oh i agree, we human beings really are trying desperately to take ourselves out. Abuse of anti-biotics and the refusal to take shots being a complicated mix of those attempts. Then again maybe thats more a factor of like situational awareness effecting psychology. Us knowing subconsciously how wrong the world generally is an waiting to end it by a thousand cuts. Then again, nothing would explain that theory more than politics.

Politics, yes, back to Bernie, he's the sane one isn't he?.

 

[slurper_la]

Yes he should win, I'm a Donald Trump supporter so I disagree with you. Trump WILL be the next president whether you like it or not. People need to accept the fact that Bernie has no chance of winning and should just join Hillary, or Donald Trump.

^ proof being gay does not equate with a genetic predisposition to higher intelligence.


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[jaap_stam]

As I STATED, my responses to you have been in equal response and in like manner as yours have been to mine. How does rebutting YOUR characterizations of me amount to "name calling?" NOW you "don't doubt the validity of my feelings" ?? but consider my words (presumably reflections on whether America becomes a fascist state under Trump) to be "overly dramatic"?

In other words YOU have the right to question MY motives, MY words, or the legitimacy of MY views, but I don't have the right to question YOURS??

Riiiiiiight.

Look, I didn't want to post all of this in the Bernie thread (and frankly, I've long since grown tired of going around and around with with YOU)

but seeing as how YOU've characterized my words re. the possibility of America becoming a fascist state as (quote) "overly dramatic" "Chicken little sky will fall and world will end outburst" (which, I presume, coming from you AREN'T "name calling ad hominem insults") allow me to reference just a FEW more musings of the "overly dramatic":

Can Fascism Triumph in America?
Preventing the 2016 Slide Into Fascism - Falls Church News-Press Online
Donald Trump and the death of democracies - Chicago Tribune
This is how fascism comes to America - The Washington Post
Is Donald Trump a fascist? - CNN.com
The Rise of Trump: Fascism 101 | JamieUMBC
Donald Trump is a fascist: It is the political label that best describes the GOP front-runner.
Today's Trump Apocalypse Watch: Trump University Was a Bad University
Donald Trump is a modern day George Wallace: The Republican front-runner is reviving the Southern politician’s ugly and hateful politics.
Trump Presidency Is a Global Threat, Economist Intelligence Unit Warns - NBC News
Donald Trump and white nationalism: Does the candidate’s rise represent the ascendency of a resentful white wing of the American right?

If Democrats spent more time exploiting the serious flaws that threaten to destroy the GOP rather than obsess about demonstrating how you have the moral high ground, none of this would even be an issue. That's probably 80% of why, in spite of the serious defects in the GOP ideological strategy, they have the majority of state legislatures and the majority in Congress. When it actually counts, Dems are unable to translate "moral superiority" into persuasive arguments for the voters who actually bother to show up to mid-terms. And the low turnout of Dems is a demonstration of how poor the party is in making its target demographics feel empowered by party policy.

For example, I would say that the institutional failure to support a progressive, intelligent candidate like Donna Edwards should be much more of a problem for the DNC than Donald Trump beating Clinton, as it clearly demonstrates to minority ethnicity members of your party that for all the moral handwringing about sexism, racism, etc, the party still isn't truly willing to put its money where its mouth is in terms of actual end results. That you give an open racist like LBJ props for the Civil Rights Act, when it was clearly a political ploy to "trap" black voters, shows how out of touch the Dem mainstream is with the voters it relies on. Focus inward, rather than outward, to rediscover what makes the party relevant beyond simply being one of the two financially viable parties.

 

[MisterB]

Re Donna Edwards. A black female senatorial candidate in Maryland with a great personal story who should have been a shoe-in.

Unfortunately for her, her compelling single-mother personal story was not enough to help her. Seems she ran afoul of the Congressional Black Caucus. a big no-no, especially for an African American. She did not make efforts to work with others while in the House. It doesn't help that she also enjoys little support within the MD democratic party. Oops.

The other house member she ran against, Chris Van Holen, a 55+ white guy, beat her handily. He's well liked across the spectrum within MD. It was especially telling during the election campaign the disparity of support between the two candidates within the African American community. Not to mention the campaign ad her PAC ran against Van Holen that was disavowed by the White House.

The saddest part is that Ms. Edwards remains clueless about the fact that she was her Senate candidacy's worst enemy.

 

[deleted15807]

Re Donna Edwards. A black female senatorial candidate in Maryland with a great personal story who should have been a shoe-in.

Unfortunately for her, her compelling single-mother personal story was not enough to help her. Seems she ran afoul of the Congressional Black Caucus. a big no-no, especially for an African American. She did not make efforts to work with others while in the House. It doesn't help that she also enjoys little support within the MD democratic party. Oops.

The other house member she ran against, Chris Van Holen, a 55+ white guy, beat her handily. He's well liked across the spectrum within MD. It was especially telling during the election campaign the disparity of support between the two candidates within the African American community. Not to mention the campaign ad her PAC ran against Van Holen that was disavowed by the White House.

The saddest part is that Ms. Edwards remains clueless about the fact that she was her Senate candidacy's worst enemy.

Donna Edwards is guilty of the same crime Ted Cruz is guilty of, not getting along well with others. Something you were supposed to learn in grade school. Even after losing she still doesn't have a clue. As they say, 'Donna Edwards hasn't managed her relationships well or even developed one....'. No more so than Congress will you need allies in your quest for importance among others seeking the same thing. 'When you're strokin Mama, Mama's strokin you...'

 

[Boobalaa]

Since the topic is female democratic congress persons, I thought I'd add this more recent event to the fray, as a distraction since things seem to be teetering close to the Anita Hill line here..just saying..My congresswoman Zoe going off on a witness
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/...ls_gail_heriot_she_s_a_transphobic_bigot.html

Since nobody wants to talk about Bernie, or space aliens, WTF, eh!?

Now where was I?,
Oh yeah, I don't wanna be a spoiler, but..
Bernie Sanders moves toward a fight over Israel, forcing Hillary Clinton to navigate a splintered party

I know right, another Bernie link..sheesh